Don’t Blame Mary Kay For Being a Failure!
A bit of advice for us from a concerned Mary Kay consultant…
I find all your posts very amusing.
A lot of the women in here seem to be having a big hangup about Mary kay and about the way that Mary Kay does business. The REAL PROBLEM is YOU. You are the ones who are all at fault becuase you didn’t make any money in Mary Kay. It’s nobody else’s fault. It’s not your director’s fault and it’s not the company’s fault. You make your business become what you put into it. It seems like a lot of women in here are in denial that the REAL PROBLEM is themselves and NOT Mary Kay. A lot fo the Mary Kay consultants are not trained or do not want to be trained properly.
And It seems that a lot of the women that post in this website have no clue about on how to run a business and what it takes to run a business. You need to be persistent and to work the Mary Kay business correctly in order to make real money in it. I come to a conclusion that a lot of the women in here are bitching and moaning that they have been unsuccessful because they have NOT worked their Mary Kay business they way that they are supposed to.
All of you women are in DENIAL. Face up to it. You are nothing but a bunch of losers. A bunch of incompetent people who don’t understand how to work the Mary Kay business to become successful. You are lazy and you don’t know how to follow directions to succeeed. That’s why you are all in here bitching and moaning and bashing Mary Kay.
Let me all tell you something that you need to get thru your thick skulls. There are MANY successful women who are currently doing Mary Kay that are making a very good income. And a lot of these successful Mary Kay consultants and Directors have purchased things like houses and investment properties from their Mary Kay income. They make money becasue they work the business the right way. They don’t slack off like the people who come into this website and complain.
All the women on this website who are bashing Mary Kay are nothing but a bunch of losers. Yes, that’s right. You are all a bunch of losers who don’t know anything about how to structure and run a business to become successful. You like to bash Mary Kay because you are not successful or because you have not been successful as a Mary Kay consultant or as a director. A lot of Mary Kay consultants and directors don’t make any money in this business because they don’t do $hit to build their business. They don’t follow up, they don’t make the phone calls that they are supposed to do and they just don’t have any business plan.
These are the main REAL REASONS why all of you misfits who come into this website bash Mary Kay. Face it. You are all in denial and it’s causing you to be very negative towards Mary Kay.
Get with the program! Either go get a job for $9 – $10 an hour or become your own boss and work the Mary Kay business the right way and make a lot of money. And don’t blame Mary Kay for being a failure.
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MLM Radar
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LOL.
Show us your Schedule C. And no fudging the facts by omitting all those expenses “absorbed” by your family budget, like MK clothes, MK phone calls, MK gasoline, MK event food, MK shipping charges (both from the company and to your customers), and all that MK inventory you “know” you’re gonna sell. Make sure you include ALL those expenses, cuz the credit card company ain’t gonna waive them, and you KNOW you’re claiming MK “business losses” on that tax return you’re about to file.
OH yes, and make sure that when you add up ALL those expenses you also add up ALL the hours you spent away from your family at MK meetings, MK events, MK parties, processing your MK inventory purchases, calling prospective MK clients (where DO you get ALL those names, dearie?) and hanging around the makeup aisle at Target looking for victims…. err, hostesses.
Got both of those numbers? GOOD. Now divide your REAL profits (if you have any) by ALL those hours, and see how close you get to $9. I’ll give you a little help. If you’re (ONLY) working 40 hours a week on MK, to make $9 an hour you’ve got to have cleared $18,720 after ALL MK expenses (including the cost of that inventory “investment”). How close did you come? Remember, you KNOW you claimed “business losses” on that tax return.
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MLM Radar
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Oh yes, one more thing. Don’t forget that the hidden costs of supporting yourself through MK. Specifically, YOU have to pay “self employment” taxes on whatever you profit from Mary Kay, while I not only DON’T have to pay those taxes but I also get employee benefits like paid vacation, paid holidays, medical insurance and an employer match on my 401(k) contributions. That makes YOUR $9 an hour more like $7.50, and MY $9 an hour more like $12.
I’m laughing all the way to the bank. Are you still laughing?
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4:8 girl
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” There are MANY successful women who are currently doing Mary Kay that are making a very good income. ” NO, there are not! Only the top top gals make a good income & it only comes off the backs of women going into debt. The longer I’m out & have been talking w/former consultants, the bigger the scam I see. Plus, I’m doing my taxes now. That Sched C does not lie. She’s entrenched in the bubble & one day it will pop! Just hope & pray she leaves before too much more damage is done.
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Tory
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Tracy, I’m genuinely glad you posted to this board. I find it interesting that someone standing on the other side of the pink fence has been willing to share her positive experiences with the company. If MK is working for you, that is great! I’m happy you have found success in your own business.
But please don’t criticize those of us who have chosen to walk away from MK. I can speak for a lot of former MK consultants, including myself, when I say that we did work the business the way we were supposed to. We followed all the advice our sales directors gave us. We went to the meetings, hosted classes, followed up, ordered inventories, solicited customers by setting up boxes and staffing information tables, and asked “How high?” whenever we were told to jump. We spent large sums of money in gas and overhead and wore ourselves out selling MK while juggling the demands of jobs and families.
My personal reason for washing out of MK is that very few people were interested in buying. I lived in a low-income area, and the women there just didn’t have the extra cash to splurge on MK. Anyone who did preferred to go to the Clinique counter and buy those products instead. Today, with the prevalence of online shopping, anyone with any savvy knows that if she wants to buy MK, she’s better off buying the products on eBay rather than dealing with the high-pressure sales tactics of a MK consultant. This is another reason so many people drop out of MK: people can simply buy what they need online.
I maintained a positive attitude while building my MK business. There wasn’t anything my SD told me to do that I didn’t. But I had to face reality, which was that the products weren’t selling very well. It wasn’t for lack of effort on my part; it was just that nobody wanted to buy the stuff. In the end, I sold my inventory just to pull myself out of the red. It was disheartening to watch all my efforts to grow a successful MK business come to naught.
In contrast, using the same work ethic and positive attitude, I now have my BA and am graduating Summa Cum Laude (the highest honors) in May. In addition, I have a pile of academic awards I earned during the course of my studies. My excellent academic performance also enabled me to travel free of charge and earned me a nice scholarship. I’m now working my dream job and see grad school in my future. Face it, MK could never have done all this for me.
You don’t mention how much money you’re earning. Let’s see those figures! What was your net profit for last year? Put up or shut up!
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KatieRPowell
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Tracy is the former MKer who started this site. She posted this because she got it as an email or comment from someone else.
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Tory
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Sorry, my bad!
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KatieRPowell
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No worries!
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enorth
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“very few people were interested in buying”
That sums it up.
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Tory
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Yep, enorth, it does. There it is in a nutshell. You and I can see this plainly.
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mlank64
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“You don’t mention how much money you’re earning. Let’s see those figures! What was your net profit for last year? Put up or shut up!”
Exactly Tory!! Is this writer trying to convince us or herself that MK is a wonderful opportunity for women. She doesn’t provide any hard core information to back up her claim. Just the usual drivel of we are losers, we didn’t work the business right, we didn’t follow-up on calls or listen to our SD etc etc etc. It’s getting so rote and predictable what these MK consultants spout.
Here’s the thing….if business is so great…why are you here on this site. Perhaps maybe because business is not so great and you’re losing money and getting increasinly frustrated. Maybe it’s because you taking another stab at DIQ for a 2nd, 3rd, maybe 4rth time. Well, keep running on that never ending treadmill of desperation, deceit, and debt. When you hit rockbottom…PT will still be here validating what you already know.
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4:8 girl
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“Here’s the thing….if business is so great…why are you here on this site.” Yes, my thoughts exactly! She is here to troll, is curious, & I’m sure her dear director has no idea. Shame on her as it is impacting her IPA (Income producing activity) time!
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Tory
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Yes, mlank64, this writer can’t see what we so plainly can! In my first comment, I had to defend myself as well as every former MK consultant who worked the business assiduously and still came up short. I hate when these MK consultants ensconced in the pink bubble blame others for their own failures in MK, when the truth is, it’s a flawed business model peddling products no one really wants. We all worked hard to get our businesses off the ground, and while I know there are former consultants out there who didn’t want to do the necessary work to achieve success, we on PT busted our butts for MK. If this writer knew anything about business, she would understand the concept of supply and demand. That’s what hurt my business and maybe yours as well.
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mlank64
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Absolutely, I couldn’t give away the products. If I was lucky to have a class hold, I might get a few people to buy a lipstick or cheek color, but rarely did anyone buy the skin care system. Most of the times people canceled at the last minute or if I was lucky to sell the basic skin care system, I would get a phone call a few days later to come pick up the products..they had an allergic reaction. I was spinning in one spot losing money.
But, let’s face it…even if you are a good seller….so what…you only get promoted if you can hassle and harrass someone to be recruited and order I mean “sell” products. So, I don’t know who she thinks she’s kidding..herself maybe. Obviously, she is new to the game and she is already frustrated despite what her upline maybe telling her. So, she takes her frustation out on this site. Well, she’ll hit the perverbial wall soon. Will be back to find out how she can get some of her money back.
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Enorth885
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“Rarely did anyone buy the skin care system,”
The SCS is too expensive! And, at my age, I already know and use what I like. I won’t be plunking down lots of money to try something different.
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Lynn
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Sorry honey, you don’t get to talk to us the way you talk to your consultants and expect it to have any impact. See here in the real world, it’s not enough to say “you’re stupid and lazy and didn’t do things right, so there!!” without one single scrap or shred of evidence to back up your point. The Mary Kay business model does not work. We know it and so do you, and that’s why you’re being so nasty and defensive. Have fun with your pretend business, you might want to look into one of those $9 an hour jobs you mention; it would be a lot more profitable.
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mlank64
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It kills me how these consultants look their noses down on a regular job that pays $9 dollars and hour. In order for them to make the same amount they would have to put in 50 plus hours a week. They still wouldn’t have a retirement account, health insurance, 401k etc. Any little profit they make has to go back into ordering products so they can win some dollar store quality trinket pushed by their upline.
Business my a$$. Weekly meetings of overly excited women who aren’t making any money, faking it until they make it…singing that obnoxious pink cadillac song clapping and miming along the way. When I told my husband what we did in those weekly meetings, he almost bust a gut from laughing too hard. These women are delusional.
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MLM Radar
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If she stopped screeching long enough to take a breath, she might be able to do a little bit of math on the back of a MK order form and get a reality check.
Assume she clears 20% on each sale after expenses/hostess gifts/sampler costs/website fees/yadayada (you know she doesn’t, but let’s give her the benefit of the doubt). How much MK would she have to sell consistently, every week, to match a Wal-Mart clerk working 40 hours per week who takes home $9/hour with benefits?
$9 x 40 is $360. $360 / 0.2 is $1800. By spewing venom on a $9 per hour job our harpy is implying that her MK retail sales exceed $1800 per week. And how does she do that? A “typical” MK party (according to NSDs with waving rose-colored glasses) sells $250 to $300.
So our screeching harpy would have us believe that she is holding at least 6 or 7 profitable parties a week, EVERY week, all year long.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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kaykay
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If someone uses name calling and insults as argument tactics, I have no care to listen to whatever is said. The hypocrisy is ridiculous and exhausting.
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old minks
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I was a Mary Kay consultant that also worked as an assistant for my director and let me tell you she couldn’t afford much, not a meeting room, her phone bill, had to make payments on her free car, couldn’t keep her consultants, almost lost her directorship twice. She’s still in the fog and the work she does is harass her consultants to order, order, order. she hadn’t held a skin care class in years and was just living off her consultants orders and her new husbands paychecks. If you look at any directors schedule C you will find out the truth.
Most if not all NSDs and Directors have a spouse with a income to help with orders and bills.
Also if you are so happy in your Mary Kay bubble why are you on this site? Don’t throw stones at glass houses..look around it’s all smoke and mirrors
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old minks
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I worked my butt off as well but didn’t have much to show for it. I was told to spend all my time working and saw my family less. It was Mary Kay first, second and third. Wake up and smell the lies!
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raisinberry
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It really becomes important to these types that the things they have been told in the pink bubble are true. The more invested you are, the more desperate to believe that all these activities and training events, and seminars, and conferences and success meetings and facial boxes, mall shows, bazaars, church craft shoes (albeit “illegal” in the Mary kay world), will all pay off…will all mean success. The NSD has to be telling the truth. The ExecSSD has to be telling the truth.
Attack. Attack. Attack. Try and blow us away. You are scared to death, aren’t you? You are so afraid we are right… and what will that mean for you? You bought in to a lie. And now, you see that recruiting others into it is the only way you save your financial ass. So you have to make victims of OTHER WOMEN, in order to dig out…and that makes YOU a predator.
You aren’t making money but you believe someone above you is. So you recruit using someone ELSE’s story. You show the APPLAUSE magazine and coerce the target into joining you on the journey, only you are so DEEP IN DEBT you feel SICK about it.
You KNOW you are living a lie. And you stand up every Monday or Tuesday Night and PRETEND…and lady, you are LOSING your SOUL…a little bit every day.
So yea, we know what your attack is all about. We’ve been there. It made us sick too. Anyone can sell their friends and family, but everyone sooner or later watches the hit and miss slow decline in their sales, that sparks the shift to recruiting. And keeping up appearances means ordering more than you sell. And that means DEBT. And going into more debt what exactly The OPPOSITE of the reason you joined.
Yes or no?
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Gherkin
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raisinberry, you hit the nail on the head! She’s here reading our stories, isn’t she? She’s angry and on the attack because she realizes that what she’s been told from MK is all lies and manipulations. She can’t handle the truth and it makes her mad and she must lash out.
Very negative I might add, I thought the Kbots were all sunshine and fairytales. The truth hurts honey, but you can have a life if you just leave the pink fog……oh, and when you do leave the pink fog……all your friends and relatives will breath a big sigh of relief!
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mlank64
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And keeping up appearances means ordering more than you sell. And that means DEBT. And going into more debt what exactly The OPPOSITE of the reason you joined.
Right on..sister!! Keeping up the act…faking the funk…faking it till ya make it….by any means necessary and selling your soul every step of the way. Because, you don’t move up in this company by selling products you move up by buying and ordering and finding other poor souls to do the same. Knowing in your head and heart, many of these women can’t afford it and will be in debt up to their eyeballs….JUST LIKE YOU!!!
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4:8 girl
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“You KNOW you are living a lie. And you stand up every Monday or Tuesday Night and PRETEND…and lady, you are LOSING your SOUL…a little bit every day.” Sad, yet so very very true. It’s hard to come to this reality. We just don’t want to believe it! That WE would be a part of it. But, some day God convicts us to leave……and we do. While not easy, it is so liberating to move on from it! And live a real life w/real priorities w/complete honesty, w/no pink cloud hovering! I hope to get my blue check this week or next ,& everyday has gotten better on this adventure.
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A Reader
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OK, I’ve never been Pink, so I don’t have a pony in this race. But if I were going to sell Mary Kay, I’d ethically be entitled to know how many other Mary Kay distributors there are in my immediate area, and what the retail sales were in my area for the past four or five years. Without this information, which Mary Kay does NOT supply, I can’t realistically calculate my chances of success. If the local supply of Mary Kay far exceeds demand, then MK consultants are being set up for failure. There’s no other way to interpret the secrecy. Want to convince me that Mary Kay is legit? Show me the numbers. Show me how many women are selling it, and show me how much they’re selling (not just how much inventory they’re buying). No legitimate business operates without some idea of the market and the competition. (Yes, competition, by which I mean other Mary Kay consultants and not just other brands.) And certainly, no legitimate business fails to track retail sales.
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4:8 girl
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A Reader – they never tell us the number of consultants in our area. If they did, we would realize it’s saturated & not join. It’s one of the reasons they don’t let us advertise. And, they conveniently don’t track sales. They only sell to the consultant, so they don’t care about the thousands of $$ sitting in basements/closets. Scam, scam, scam. The words legitimate business & MK can never be used in the same sentence.
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mlank64
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No legitimate business asks for you to turn your customer into your competition by recruiting them. That is one of many business flaws in MK. Increased competition you contribute to by recruiting…not just within the company but understanding the environment you are supposed to make a descent living. Technology now has it so that you can obtain products across the other side of the country with just a click of a button. Understanding the real competition from real make-up franchizes..like Ulta Sephora etc make it even more difficult. Its a mid 20th century model trying to operate in the 21st century. All at the end equals one big fail.
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Tory
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A Reader, you have a point! Some areas are so saturated with MK consultants that I don’t see how anyone is making any money. My SD was one such Kaybot. There must have been literally a dozen other MK consultants in her area. When I asked how she was able to stay in business, she said that MK was so popular that she and the others were all able to make sales and were doing well. What a crock! No big surprise, but she was always mum when it came to how much money she made. She lived in a beautiful home in an affluent neighborhood, but bear in mind that her husband was making big bucks in his own career. So I never knew whose income stream was really footing the bill for their lifestyle. I’m willing to bet it wasn’t hers!
I told her that demographics plays a huge role in building any business; she told me I was crazy. Women always want to look beautiful, regardless of their demographic. No, I wasn’t crazy! I lived in a low-income area, and many of my customers were living off their alcoholic husbands’ SSI and disability. Plus, these women had about as much beauty sense as dock workers. They could barely afford to put food on their tables. I didn’t feel right pressuring them to splurge on MK, and guess what? Many didn’t. That was the death knell for my business. My SD said that if the demo where I lived bothered me so much, I should peddle in a more affluent area. That was a crock, too. What rich lady is going to buy crappy-ass MK from someone from the wrong side of the tracks when they can go to the Clinique or Lancome counter and buy much better products?
You’re supposed to look at these Kaybots and believe that they’re all living large with their Caddies and their flashy jewelry, but it’s all a lie, a pink lie.
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enorth
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“so saturated with MK consultants that I don’t see how anyone is making any money. ”
The irony is that – no matter how saturated the area – MK consultants are pressured to recruit MORE consultants to build a team. Why? Because THAT is where the money is. It certainly isn’t in peddling MK’s mediocre-quality skincare/makeup.
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Heather
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I am just going to put it out there, Can you make money and tell the truth when selling Mary Kay. My goal is to go to heaven when I die. How can I when I have to hide the truth or flat out tell a lie behind selling the this MLM. Ephesians 4:25 Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are member of one another.
Honestly, laziness or lying. Go to God before you answer, Tracy.
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BMW
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Tracy didn’t write it, Heather. =) She’s the site owner and she published the letter without a name.
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Scrib
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Ephesians 4:25 is just one of many, MANY bible verses you generally don’t see in NSD and director literature/websites/FB pages, along with Proverbs 11-12: “The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her…she will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.”
As far as I’m concerned, EVERY CHRISTIAN WOMAN needs to RUN and RUN FAR from Mary Kay. Mary Kay is NOT a ministry; it is a culture of perpetual deception. I know more than a few MKers out there will argue with “I’ve seen women come to the Lord because of Mary Kay!” but consider this:
Let’s say a director recruits someone and leads her to Christ. Now that new Christian is looking to her director for guidance about her new MK business and of course, the director schools her in all the oh-so-godly practices so essential to MK success: hot-button pushing, scripted manipulation, lies of omission, “creative financing” so husbands won’t know how much you spent on makeup, and so forth.
Do you see the irony in this? A woman was just led to Christ, only to be led right the hell into severe temptation. Good show.
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Heather
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My bad…I’m new at this.
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BMW
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No criticism intended, just letting you know! =D
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Tory
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Yeah, enorth, I knew there was a lie somewhere in my SD’s words. If she had been honest, she would have said the saturation may have been hurting the consultants’ sales, but the company was making a profit because all those consultants were plunking down big bucks for inventories.
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PinkfanbutnoMKfan
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The few MK events I went to there were so many consultants there I’m thinking “this many people sell MK in this town” granted it also includes other towns and such, I remember there are a lot of consultants that live in the tiny farm towns outside of the City I live in, they had so many consultants I couldn’t even count how many! And these were towns that were populations of 7000! And these weren’t well off towns in the area, if they wanted make up they went to Walmart they can’t afford the MK price.
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unpinkedassistant
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The former ESSD I worked for, now SSD, has been in MK 30 years. She works 60 hours a week, her husband 40, and I worked 20. She is a Cadillac driver.
Her gross income when I worked for her was a little over $100,000. per year. Her unit had 200 in it, and she had 6 offspring, although several of those have lost their unit. She makes production because she has so many in her unit.
Expenses ate her alive. They sold their house to access some equity and that did not pull them out of debt. They were always shuffling bank accounts and credit cards. They were still deeply in debt.
At the end of the year prior to my leaving they lost money as evidenced by the Schedule C on their income tax.
I believe the director is very typical and not at all the exception. To recap, Drektor Dearest had 30 years experience, grossed $100,000. and 120 hours a week were devoted to working the biz. And she still lost money and is deeply in debt to boot.
So tell me, what part of this is her being a lazy loser who doesn’t know how to work the biz? The only people who are in denial in this case are Drektor and her husband for not cutting their losses and getting out.
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Toolgirl
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She is deep in the fog. She has no clue what it takes to run a ‘real’ business. I wonder if she realizes that executive pay starts around $400,000 per year without bonuses, health care, dental, stock options, etc… Does MK offer this? (sarcasm)
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mlank64
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“My SD said that if the demo where I lived bothered me so much, I should peddle in a more affluent area”
This made me laugh. You know darn well, any women who lives an affluent lifestyle will be buying her make-up from channel, clinique, or Sephora where she can get mid to highend cosmetics. The girl that lives in a modest or lower economic area will buy wet-n-wild at her local BSS or drugstore. I’m not hating on wet-n-wild, in fact…I find their lipstics and color line better than MK. I’m just illustrating a point you made about demographics. Without that consideration…you are screwed.
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Tory
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Mlank64, that’s what I tried to tell my SD!! She either didn’t see or didn’t want to see that any retail business closely examines the demographics of a particular area before deciding if it wants to set up shop in that area. My area didn’t have a good demo, and the areas that did probably would not have welcomed my intrusion. As you pointed out, the affluent cosmetics consumer would more than likely go to Clinique or Sephora to buy products. And my SD told me I was crazy!
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flaming go
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Get out those PT troll bingo cards!
*Spelling errors.
*Bad grammar.
*Random caps
*Condescending tone
*txtspk (This troll used thru.)
*Repeating the same thing over and over and over….
*Some variant of ‘lazy loosers’
*”You are so negative!” Meanwhile, the tone of the post itself is negative and bashing.
*”You didn’t work it the right way.”
Wow… this one covers a lot of the typical trollie speak! All we’re missing is, “I will pray for you,” and some Mary Kay cliches! Maybe this one isn’t brainwashed enough yet to memorize and spew the cliches. Most of the trollies are such newbies to the scam that they simply can’t fathom that there is anything wrong with MK! So they gotta blame everyone else.
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onelessSD
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Love the idea of MK Bingo! We do that for our camping experiences – to remember all the fun times!
This girl did use quite a bit of the typical responses, I get tired of always reading the same thing- hey Kaybots- a little variety please!
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ttp
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That Bingo card also needs some variation of, “No one held a gun to your head.”
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flaming go
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I knew I forgot something! Thanks ttp!
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imewise
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Seriously, I wouldn’t be surprised if this is an archived letter that I wrote! lol!! I was in the fog deep and I vaguely recall writing something…
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Pink Haze
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To the writer of this hate-filled post – you have my sympathy. It’s obvious from the way you write that you know “some women” who are successful, but it’s clear you aren’t one of them.
My guess is that you hope to be and the information here has you mad and maybe even scared. Could it be you’ve invested money you should have used for your kids or saved for car repairs etc.? Is it harder and harder to pay the credit card bill? When you do make a sale – does all the money go right back to the company or to pay the credit card?
Being scared is okay. Being rude and mean is not. The women here are kind beyond belief and understand you better than your MK “sisters” do. When you are ready to be honest with the ladies here and with yourself – you’ll find a supportive community.
In the meantime, please save your anger and name calling for people who have actually done something to you.
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Susan
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So let me get this straight–we are all a bunch of losers? Doh! If only you had told me that years ago; it would have saved me so much stress as I completed car production…
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MK Taints the Color Pink
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“ You are all a bunch of losers who don’t know anything about how to structure and run a business to become successful. You like to bash Mary Kay because you are not successful or because you have not been successful as a Mary Kay consultant or as a director. A lot of Mary Kay consultants and directors don’t make any money in this business because they don’t do $hit to build their business. They don’t follow up, they don’t make the phone calls that they are supposed to do and they just don’t have any business plan.”
I have never been in MK, so I have no reason to defend anyone here. Furthermore, I will be much more successful than anyone can be in MK with a rewarding job helping people as a nurse. It does not take someone with MK experience to see how your argument is flawed. Please explain to me how you have “structure[d]” your MK business. Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot it is aleady structured for participants. As for those directors you mention that do not “do $hit to build their business,” remind me again how they became directors? Others here have already discussed market saturation,ssupply & demand, etc. Obviously you have not done proper research while forming your “business plan.”
Finally, I will point out that everyone here will welcome you with open arms when you realize the truth. They will forgive your ugly words. Good luck in your future. May you find peace and happiness.
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raisinberry
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And once again…I will add…why do these “chastisers” ASSUME we not GOOD at this?? It just supports the story they are being told…the “lazy loser” thing-we are disgruntled former wannabee’s who couldn’t focus on the biz. Geez Louise, will you drive-bys READ a little?? This is a website with predominately SUCCESSFUL IBC’s and SD’s, who could no longer do it “The MARY KAY WAY! “…Which IS:
ask guests by telling them you were asked to provide the face model.
tell targets that you were “challenged” by your Director to do X even if you weren’t.
Do NOT tell prospects its a recruiting event, or they won’t come.
DO NOT tell new recruits anything about inventory except it isn’t mandatory…(which will prove to be a lie once the Director tells her that successful consultants have “full stores”.)
Never act stressed or your recruits wont want your job-in other words, lie about needing production, being in debt, chargebacks, and low sales.
Learn your scripts, because having a comeback is critical to winning the sale, the recruit, the order, the inventory choice, and no matter what her objection, the appropriate response is, “That’s exactly why you need Mary Kay.” (In other words, no authentic relationships, just “handled” ones.)
Mary Kay is about secrets. And the fact that you are here, saying what you are saying means you don’t know them yet.
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And the “chastisers” as you put it Raisinberry believe what they’re told because all CRITICAL THINKING has been shut down.
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Michelle
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“And It seems that a lot of the women that post in this website have no clue about on how to run a business and what it takes to run a business. You need to be persistent and to work the Mary Kay business correctly in order to make real money in it. I come to a conclusion that a lot of the women in here are bitching and moaning that they have been unsuccessful because they have NOT worked their Mary Kay business they way that they are supposed to.”
What does this mean, exactly? As I’ve stated before, no Mary Kay lady I have ever seen has run their business the way “businesses are supposed to be run,” i.e., by tracking profit and loss and cash flow, making projections, managing inventory appropriately, keeping a close eye on expenses, etc. What is this mythical way to run the business that people are not following, if it’s not the way EVERY OTHER SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS ON EARTH is run?
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Lazy Gardens
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^^^^^ Agree
As soon as you start treating it like a normal business, it becomes apparent that there is no way to succeed … because it is not a normal business, it’s a pretense at being a business that exists for the purpose of enriching others.
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CaliforniaGal
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I worked very hard to make director in just a few months. The lies are uncovered the further up one goes. I kept asking the directors what directors actually do. No one would tell me, that should have been a big red flag. I was so pressured to recruit, recruit, recruit that I just figured I had to make directors because DIQ was so hard. Well, guess what being a director was a never ending DIQ treadmill. I was a great seller and I even had some $1000 weeks. But no one was happy that I was a crazy, successful saleswomen. No, I had to recruit and get qualified recruits at that. I lived in a working class area, most women who signed up with me didn’t have the money to go on to order. If ya couldn’t order, you were basically invisible. It was so sad, I tried to train these ladies, but without capital they were stuck.
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Tory
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Californiagirl, your concerns echo mine in reaching out to a working-class clientele. The joke is that MK says it empowers women, yet MK made it hard for working-class women to better themselves because advancement in the company was contingent on buying inventories. As you said, without capital, they were stuck.
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Scrib
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I would bet a decent amount of money that the individual who penned this letter has either just joined Mary Kay or has been in a handful of years. New consultants are the loudest and most enthusiastic defenders of the business (next to NSDs) and seem to have all the answers as to what it takes to be successful in MK…except that it’s not coming from them. They’re only repeating what was told to them by their director, who struggles to follow her own guidance and is more than likely in a financial hole herself because hey, it’s an MLM and that’s how MLMs roll: they use dreams/God as bait and people go into debt.
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Bethiepoo
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I have to say I only skimmed this post because it is all the same stuff as before.
Second verse, same as the first. “Lazy….losers…don’t know how to work a business….” YAWN.
I will say, I agree with the author on 1 point…. though I would take it a step further and encourage ALL MK consultants to go find a job that pays $9-$10 an hour because it is more than you will make in MK, despite valiant efforts to “work your business”, you will not end up with shelves of product and you won’t end up in debt. You will also retain friendships and you won’t see friends and family members scatter like roaches when they spot you in your suit, wearing your Mary Kay Face.
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Chassen
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I just made the decision to leave MK after 2 yrs. I’m fortunate in that I didn’t invest a lot of money (I’m getting almost everything back) and I still have my friends, but then I didn’t push it on them.
I love it lol
I was told multiple times by my director to just “walk-up” to people (I’m incredibly shy & don’t take rejection with a “stiff upper lip”). Since I was struggiling with clientele, I did. I handed out out 50 business cards in one day, got about 20 numbers, and made NO sales. I cried, of course, and became horribly depressed. My husband, bless him, finally got me to recognize this was NOT my fault. That I am a good person & sucessful in so many other things.
Sadly, my friend just joined MK. I tried to warn her, but she’ll learn on her own.
BTW thank you for this site.
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Bethiepoo
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Chassen,
Congratulations to you! Like you, I was only in for a couple of years, and like you, I am horribly uncomfortable being pushy. I don’t know of any other business that requires so much time for so little return.
Enjoy your new free time and best wishes!
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PinkfanbutnoMKfan
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I remember once at a unit meeting my director was bragging that she “had to cut back on business it was so great” Tuesdays, Thursdays and some other odd day were MK days or something strange like when she would hold skin care classes etc. Thursdays were the unit meetings in my town and she had another unit meeting in another town since she had a bunch of women in the unit that were driving 30+ minutes including herself to the our town for meetings. Magically this business cut back time was also was during the fall harvest time… (husband is a very wealthy farmer). I look back now and think she probably wasn’t getting that much business and that wanted us to think her business was so successful that she had to “cut back” to spend time with her family.
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skeptigal
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Dear Angry Writer:
There are nearly 10,000 members of the Pink Truth forum. There are several other forums dedicated to helping former IBC’s recover from their MK experience. I can find no other business that has so many former affiliates speaking out against its practices. None.
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Jen G.
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I have always wondered if MK allowed thier IBCs to actually run their businesses as they saw fit, would the IBCs actually make money? I never understood why I wasn’t allowed to sell on Amazon or eBay, or why I couldn’t open a small shop in town. It was very frustrating. I HATED trying to get people to have home parties. It just didn’t seem appropriate to me- very 1950s. Ugh.
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