This Mary Kay Consultant Is Not as Stupid as You

A former Mary Kay consultant lost money years ago, but because she is so much smarter than the women on Pink Truth, she is going to try it again and she is going to make money. She will not be “silly enough” or “stupid,” and she won’t have “bad judgment” like those of us here. 

Wow! I googled how to get back in and found your site. :) I was in MK years ago when I was divorced and broke, living in a small town, and stopped simply because the market was saturated (my MOTHER became a consultant the month after I did–it was stupid) and I just let it go, using what product I had, writing off the loss of my minor investment mentally as a lesson learned. Now, I live in a metro area, and though I see a car with an ad occasionally, I don’t see overt advertisement here. It looks like a more marketable area.

I will, however, never be silly enough to be forced to buy products I can’t sell. Other than the most cost-effective introductory kit that I had to purchase all those years ago, and won’t ever have to do again, I would never buy in gross. After Mama died, and I had her remainders and mine when I recently moved, and all those shades of base that we just don’t have clientele for went in the trash. I’ll simply never do that again. I did use some of it for stage makeup and gave some away for Halloween costumes and for Christmas presents (along with Satin Hands sets and other products) to friends or acquaintances, but still had lots to toss in the trash–my point is, I won’t buy anything for which I don’t have orders.

I won’t try to get people to be on my team, because I didn’t sign up so that I could be in multi-level marketing. I don’t believe in it and I won’t do it.

Being talked into taking out a LOAN to buy a huge inventory that you don’t know for sure that you have a market for is just to be blunt–STUPID. I can’t fault Mary Kay for trying to push product–they are in sales. It is really a personal decision to TAKE OUT A LOAN. Every person has the right to be stupid–and we’ve all done it a time or two. Don’t blame the company for people’s BAD JUDGEMENT. EVERY one should develop a backbone and use it to help them stand when they say: “No, I’m not buying that. I only need this list of things.”

Much to my surprise, I am a wonderful salesperson, mostly due to my adherence to truth-telling in all situations, and people recognize and appreciate that. I have an independent insurance business, and have done several other sales jobs–teaching high school being one of the more fun of those. I don’t NEED to sell MK, I just want to. I think it will give me an opportunity to meet people and meet their needs.

I go on vacation with my husband, very occasionally, when I can work their schedules into ours, with my children. I do not need to go on trips with hundreds of screaming women who are excited about diamonds and rubies. Proverbs 31:10 says that a the worth of a virtuous woman is high above rubies (intent being precious stones). Yes, I wear them, Mama left them, so I wear them, but it’s not that big a deal to me. Godly women wouldn’t be all about that part, would they?

I am a strong enough personality to NOT be forced to sell crap that I don’t believe in–I HATE the skin care, and won’t even attempt it. I’m an oily, soap-and water girl, 44, and am guessed to be in my early 30′s regularly–the skin care doesn’t work for me, is certainly not worth the money for me, and I would never try to sell it to anyone. I don’t believe in it. I do, however, believe in the MK base. I believe 105 is my oh-so-ivory number. I miss it and the lipstick. I’ll pay the $20 to re-join, just so that I can have my base and lipstick for cheap, make some new friends, and sell to people who want to buy and have the discretionary income to do so. Anything else would be unethical.

I suppose I’ve said all this to say, it’s possible to sell Mary Kay without selling your soul. I know what you have to do to get a car, and frankly, I just bought a new 2014 of my own–don’t need a pink one, no matter how COOL they may be.

Don’t hate because you made the decision to throw thousands of dollars into the trash. If you are in and don’t like it, get out, or back down. If you don’t like your pushy upline, get out and find someone nicer to work with who understands your goals. I, for instance, don’t really have any serious goals, it’s more of a hobby for me, and the person I am reenacting under knows that.

Don’t EVER pressure anyone to do anything against their husband’s will: THAT is totally against God’s plan for the home. I don’t see anything wrong with someone making a valiant attempt to “sell it to him”. If he says no, and he is the Godly husband that he should be, then there are reasons that it’s a bad idea right now, and that lady should abide by his wishes. The Proverbs 31 Woman was in sales, by the way–that’s always a major point–her husband was very proud of her. :)

I apologize for the randomness of my thoughts. I appreciate your site and the pitfalls that you point out. Young women need to understand what is truly expected of them to make MK a viable full-time business. MOST of us just aren’t up for that, and they need to know before they get emotionally involved and over-invest, which I’ve already stated. It’s a great idea for people who have money to spend to make money, or for people like me who don’t really intend to do it full time–which I know they hate, but it’s my decision–and yours.

Blessings, ladies.
Amy

Don’t believe Amy. You cannot profit in Mary Kay without selling your soul to the devil. You might be able to make a little bit of pocket change. But consistent profits, especially at a level that will make a difference to your family, are impossible without deceitful recruiting and frontloading of inventory.

22 Comments

  1. Iescaped

    Go for it Amy.

    Not quite sure how you plan on selling much MK if you “hate” their skin care. No one goes through foundation and color cosmetics very fast.

    But good luck to you. Mary Kay won’t be anything but a hobby. If that is what you want, great. But it can never be a viable business.

    And FYI, you don’t see anyone advertising the products because no one can really sell them. They are also to busy recruiting!

  2. mstar1125

    She will never make money because the system isn’t designed for consultants like her to make money. I like to believe that people will always act good and honestly when given the chance, and I believe that if people could make money in this business using honest practices (e.g., not buying huge inventory, not recruiting a huge downline, not signing on family/fake names in order to get a promotion, etc.), then most people would be running their business that way. It’s sad that she is getting into this a second time and still doesn’t realize that it’s not going to work for her.

    Also, the fact that she isn’t seeing ads for MK in a metro area doesn’t mean that the product will be more marketable there. In most places, MK is not considered stylish, trendy, fashionable, or high-end. It is viewed the same way as makeup you can buy from a local CVS or Walmart.

  3. MKNoMo

    You use to see MK pop up once in a great while in Chitown. And it was usually on somebody who just liked a lipstick once in a great while. The consultants fancy themselves to be make up artists but one look at a Instagram or YouTube video where one of these young gals does her makeup will quickly show you why MK is it popular. There is much cooler stuff out there than MK and MK is pure trash. No one should wear it. Also more people are becoming aware of animal testing being done with companies that claim they aren’t like MK. They get around it by handing the testing over to other countries like China where they demand it. Nice huh (Avon is the same). This also allows them to sell their products there (in China). Good luck to this woman but she needs to slow her roll. And stop calling others stupid. If the leaders in MK are encouraging the nonsense then they are obviously not a good company and do not encourage honesty in how they deal with customers. I saw one of my former MK people doing liquor demos at the local Mariano’s. She didn’t see me but I had to laugh. She really tried to make MK seem great. Oh well

  4. BestDecision

    As an oily skinned person myself, beware that Mk’s foundations will NOT be enjoyable. Clinique and Bobbi Brown make superb formulas and are much better pigmented, have a broader range of shades, and do the job better than any I ever forced myself to wear as a Director.

    Don’t forget that you won’t be able to just buy your foundation and lipsticks at 50% off. You’ll have to spend at least $250 wholesale to get that discount. You can buy a LOT of Clinique, Estee, Tarte, or NARS with that money!

    I think most people on here will agree with me, especially those of us that used to be Directors: You may vow to not fall into the pit of going for car or even just building an inventory, but you will be so coerced, so shunned for NOT going to meetings, that you’ll either give in and go up OR you’ll get right back out. Good luck finding someone that will listen to your goals and support you outside of your lineage because the positivity and anti-negativity brainwashing is so strong, it’ll be hard to find someone that will listen to you for more than a minute.

  5. ShimmerAway

    There are so so many things odd about this post.

    The first thing that stood out to me was her claim of not believing in multi-level marketing. If this is true, why join? Aren’t you going directly against your beliefs?

    She HATES the skin care? Again…why join? Surely you can find someone to sell you your “base” at a discount? I’m sure it’s collecting dust in someone’s closet, basement, or garage.

    She claims to be against all of the “bad” principles that MK stands for and all of the shady practices that are the norm…like coercing women into front-loading and asking them to deceive their husbands. She may not like these things, but they are an everyday thing in MK. So whether you “believe” in them or not, you’re supporting them by being affiliated.

    I also find it very frustrating and offensive that she just concludes that the MILLIONS of women who were coerced, deceived, lied to (repeatedly), promised A, B & C…and ended up with thousands of $$$ in debt and useless inventory, are all just STUPID. There are mind games in that cult, serious mind games and manipulation. Those D*I*S*C personality tests are given in an attempt to know how to manipulate someone in the most effective way. Those directors are NOT driving free, they are making up names of consultants and maxing out credit cards to make their quotas, and some of them are just big fat making car payments. They only made that “high check” amount once. In the 3 years I was in MK, not one director ever had a NEW high check…every single event they strutted the same check, same number. It’s all lies, it’s all smoke & mirrors. None if it is true. It’s a hamster wheel of doom. There is no magical carrot to catch. There’s nothing but deceit. You can’t win.

    So have fun, best of luck to you. I won’t call YOU stupid. I’m actually a nice person…not someone just pretending to be (like some of those pushy MK ladies).

      1. ShimmerAway

        They add friends and family members and re-activate consultants who have quit…sometimes without their knowledge. So maybe “make up” wasn’t the right wording 🙂

  6. Shay

    I found this comment on the pink light house website–who by the way shared many links to Pink Truth 🙂 I don’t think they will mind since it’s a comment and the site hasn’t been active in a while.
    Is this even legal in MK?

    “So, I am just fuming, right now. I decided yesterday to finally admit to my husband that I think I screwed up. I convinced him, with much help from my director, to let my try the Mary Kay opportunity. He didn’t encourage it, but supported me, anyway. I signed on, and the next thing that follows in my unit is a “mandatory” inventory meeting. My director tells you about all the packages and then follows up by saying, “if you don’t come in with at least $2400, I won’t give you a grand opening party. Rather than being appalled, I listened as she justified that “rule” by saying that she simply couldn’t help you sell product that you don’t have. She left me thinking that without a Grand Opening party, I couldn’t launch my business.

    I told her I was serious. I told her that if I was going to do it, I wanted to do it full time. She then broke it down for me and said that the $2400 or less packages are for friends and family or part-time seller. She said that if I wanted to be successful, I needed to get the largest package. I very reluctantly agreed and she, ON THE SPOT, pulled out her phone and opened links to her “favorite credit cards” for me to apply.

    Anyone familiar with the rule against persuading a new consultant to buy inventory?

    Anyway, I signed on and was pushed, at the start of the very next month to “go on target” by purchasing a minimum order of $600. My director didn’t tell me what that meant, she just used a bunch of Star Consultant mumbo jumbo and made me feel like I wasn’t meeting some unspecified minimum requirement if I didn’t place that order.

    The next month that she approached me about that same Star Consultant number, I had done my research and I knew what it meant. I told her I didn’t want to place the order this time because I had SO MUCH PRODUCT, already. She asked me if she could log in under my name and place an order on my account for herself. She said I would get the bonus, but she would get the product.

    It made me sick.

    Fast forward several months, I decided that I just don’t want to do this. I thought I was going to have flexibilty and a limited work schedule based on her statement, “a full-time beauty consultant works about 15 hours a week.” Tell that to my toddler. Tell that to my husband. I may be out of the house for that amount of time every week, but when I get home… The work never stops. You are constantly getting calls/texts. Constantly filling orders. Constantly answering the door for a customer pick-up. I’m tired.

    I went to look into the buy-back process today and found THIS SITE. Although, I had been specifically told that the consultants I signed who were scared off by the inventory talk could NOT have their money back for their starter kit, that’s not true. Although, I had been told that any UNOPENED product could not be returned, that’s a lie. Although, I had been told that the company wouldn’t take your star prizes, that was only a half truth – they take the cost of them from you. What had I REALLY invested myself in?

    I am thousands of dollars in debt trying to keep up with my Director’s quotas and “challenges”. I know that I should have just told her no. I get that. No one has to tell me that a lot of this is my own fault. But, the bold-faced lies that she told me. The “rules”, the “mandatory” weekly meetings, explain those to me?

    I fell into a car salesman’s game.
    I wish I had never signed up.”

    What the heck is a grand opening party?

    Also, since when is it mandatory to go to meetings when you are your own boss?

    1. BestDecision

      So many red flags here! It’s true that we Directors were taught to spend our time with those people serious about making it a business and not a hobby, and this Director sounds like she set a”qualification” for coming to new unit member’s Business Debuts. I can kind of understand that to a point because I had well over 100 people in my unit and in well over 10 states, so it would be impossible for me to have gotten anything done if I was out every night and every weekend appearing at these things for people who weren’t serious. I personally never put parameters on them as high as hers, but, as my unit and Offspring Director numbers grew, I did limit whose BDs I’d attend. I think I resigned saying I’d come to those with $1,800 wholesale and above. Can’t remember! But, before my unit was that big, I went to each and every one of them.

      But, she mainly hit on something that new Consultants and existing sales force members ignore. Even the most “part-time” Consultant (note that Directors are never, ever considered less than full-time) puts in more time, energy, and money than meets the eye on a Weekly Accomplishment Sheet. I had customers who’d swing by during our dinnertime. I had Consultants that would call at 10:00 at night. I had a Senior Director who’d call later than that. Driving a pink Cadillac made it impossible to fully relax and not be “on” because everybody is staring at the lady who gets out of one. Hair, makeup, outfit had to be on point at all times. I had to smile and be overly nice when I was exhausted or frustrated with life as any other human is. I couldn’t leave my home without being armed with business cards and a trunk filled with samples, Look books, hostess packets, etc. For all that time and those things, it’s time away from something else, as NSD Pam Shaw preaches. It took me over a year after resigning to fully relax in a store, to be authentic. It felt odd to go showered but without makeup to the gym or grocery store. I went with a full face EVERYWHERE.

      Here it is the last month of the Seminar Year, and I don’t miss a single piece of it. My initial reason for being on here was as a Director exploring why this site was so talked about and frustrating. I began to see my own story and happenings occurring with a lot of others on here. Since I’ve resigned, I still see things on here that happened to “me too”, but I’m mostly on here now to save people from wasting their lives on something that statistically will never amount to anything dreamy.

  7. Still Breaking The Basic

    “After Mama died, and I had her remainders and mine when I recently moved, and all those shades of base that we just don’t have clientele for went in the trash. I’ll simply never do that again. I did use some of it for stage makeup and gave some away for Halloween costumes and for Christmas presents (along with Satin Hands sets and other products) to friends or acquaintances, but still had lots to toss in the trash–my point is, I won’t buy anything for which I don’t have orders.”

    “Being talked into taking out a LOAN to buy a huge inventory that you don’t know for sure that you have a market for is just to be blunt–STUPID……Don’t blame the company for people’s BAD JUDGEMENT. EVERY one should develop a backbone and use it to help them stand when they say: “No, I’m not buying that. I only need this list of things.”

    “Don’t hate because you made the decision to throw thousands of dollars into the trash.”

    Between you and your mother, how much retail did you have in your combined inventory that you threw away? Why did the two of you buy so much? How did you pay for it?

    It sounds like you threw thousands of dollars in the trash yourself so you are the last one to admonish or lecture those of us who threw old and outdated inventory away.

    If Mary Kay was truly the best-selling brand and practically sells itself, you would have had no problem finding new customers the first time you signed up. Insanity is the definition of doing the same thing and expecting a different result or outcome. Be honest, it didn’t work for you the first time and it will not work for you a second time.

    And if you think you’re going to meet new people, you have another thing coming. People scatter like roaches when they hear “Mary Kay”. You will become a “persona non grata” in more areas than you think. Stores will ask you to leave if they get complaints that you’re doing the warm chatter spiel. Many location, both public and private, now expressly forbid people trolling for new customers.

    Good luck the second time around. You’re going to need it.

  8. MLM Radar

    Well Bless Her Heart!

    She thinks there’s no competition in her area. I wonder if she’s tried keying the words Mary Kay on google maps, or checked CraigsList for Mary Kay “I’ll take any offer” sales.

    Here’s a hint: If the Director is driving a Pink Cadillac, the area is already over-saturated.

  9. MLM Radar

    By the way, the Proverbs 31 woman was NOT imto sales. She was into manufacturing and serving. Her sales were just a necessary conclusion to everything else.

    Sorry to burst your bubble.

  10. Pinkiu

    This is SATIRE right? At least that’s how I read it 😉

    If not satire, then….YAWN…we’ve been told this over and over, haven’t we? of course, SHE is so much smarter than WE. Silly us…

  11. pinkpeace

    So much nonsense.

    “I live in a metro area, and though I see a car with an ad occasionally, I don’t see overt advertisement here. It looks like a more marketable area.”

    – Amy, is that seriously adequate research for knowing whether a market is saturated or not? Maybe you forgot that consultants are not allowed to advertise, except in very rare situations. OF COURSE you’re not going to see MK advertising – I’ll bet you can’t even find it in Dallas.

    “I won’t try to get people to be on my team, because I didn’t sign up so that I could be in multi-level marketing.”

    – Too late. If you signed a consultant agreement, you signed up for multi-level marketing. Just because you don’t think you’ll recruit, you were recruited. You’re automatically in that MLM chain. You’re just at the bottom.

    “I have an independent insurance business, and have done several other sales jobs–teaching high school being one of the more fun of those.”

    – While there may be elements of persuasion in teaching high school, that’s not a sales job. Maybe that’s why it was more fun!

    “It’s a great idea for people who have money to spend to make money.”

    – Um, what?

    Good luck, Amy. Keep checking back with us. We’ll be here for you when you need us.

  12. Silvia deBerry

    Oh look. Another one who thinks she’s better than us because she has wised up and learned the right way to run her business.

    Don’t insult my intelligence Amy. I did Mary Kay, and it was the worst decision I ever made financially and emotionally.

    Don’t expect any sympathy from me once you post again in a year talking about how your business failed again.

  13. diane

    Amy…All of us former $ales Directors and Consultants on this site and others like it can’t be wrong! No way, no how! We have ALL done this business! And some of us have done it more than once! (Me!) The “molding/shaping/training” will be the SAME no matter who your $ponsor/Upline is. It’s the SAME MKC no matter where you do business. Believe us!

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