You Didn’t Work Hard Enough!!!

A friendly note from a gentleman who thinks we have no idea what we’re talking about and we didn’t work hard enough in multi-level marketing!!!

Hello Pink Truth:

I stumbled on your site by accident. I read on just to see if you had uncovered some things about MLM businesses that might be new and different and, of course, accurate.  To my disappointment, I found many generalized short statements not supported by sufficient detail to help any objective person to learn anything about the businesses.

The IRS does make a distinction between a pyramid and a multilevel marketing business.  Your web sit confuses and jumbles the two.

People who are successful in all kinds of businesses have habits and leadership capabilities that account for their success.  They work very hard! They could produce excellent results in a sole proprietorship, partnership or a corporation. You will always find some people trying to cheat every system possible.  They victimize others because they are not willing to pay the price of success.  If you ask the real questions you could perform a valuable service.  For example, “What amount of activities did you do in the business?”  “What amount was recommended to be successful?”

“What kind of due diligence did you do before entering the business?”

To condemn a whole class of businesses without thoroughly studying it seems a little irresponsible to me!

 

Okay Pink Truth readers…. Have any of you “thoroughly investigated” MLMs? Did you work hard (enough) while you were in Mary Kay? Are you just a loser in general who couldn’t make it in any business setting like this guy suggests?

12 Comments

  1. BestDecision

    Do you know how many weeknights and weekends I gave up from my family, how many people were a no show, or even how long I endured all this activity? Answer: Over a decade.

    I don’t know where this gentleman gets that we don’t give details on here. For that reason, I’m not going to waste my time typing because he obviously doesn’t read.

  2. Colleen

    Just celebrated 9 years at the successful sandwich shop I own. So I feel pretty comfortable that I’m not a loser in general who couldn’t make it in any business setting.

  3. pinkpeace

    “I stumbled on your site by accident.”

    For some reason this always makes me think of all the emergency room explanations of why items are found inserted in various orifices: “I sat on a carrot by accident,” “I fell on a Coke bottle by accident,” etc.

  4. raisinberry

    HA HA HA HA HA HA Hee hee snort HOO HOO!

    Thanks for that laugh for today…Nothing ever changes, does it? I am CONSTANTLY amazed that the default position of anyone who “stumbles” upon Pinktruth is that we didn’t work hard enough…it never even OCCURS to them that we worked so damn hard we discovered the major flaws of MLM marketing, which is, the fruitless and predatorial mechanism by which underlings race up— the down escalator, building wealth FOR THOSE ABOVE US.

    You have to keep the truth of the nature of the job from all those you recruit or they would NEVER do it. They would never follow you. So you have to distract them with prizes, recognition, love bombing, and scripting…and function well using lies of omission, to lure them in and onto the career path. And lurker,….WE WERE VERY GOOD AT IT.

  5. Lily in NYC

    No sufficient detail? How about checking out all of the “mary kay math” posts in the archives? Are you oblivious or willfully ignoring the posts that prove what a scam EVERY MLM is?

  6. blackhandside

    No one stumbles on this site by accident. That’s laughable. My follow up question would be “what were you searching?” MLMs are literally DESIGNED to lose people’s money. My high schools students could figure that out with a minimum amount of research and I can barely get them to remember to put their names on their papers everyday. It would be incredibly insulting for him to assume that you haven’t done your research, if he wasn’t so clearly uneducated himself and in need of professional help.

  7. How much pain is a commission or any compensation worth? ‘Lily in NYC’ is right about “mary kay math” Sooner or later, those who recognize their consistent and diligent efforts applying a Mary Kay plan (ie:30 faces in 30 days etc.) statistically speaking, truly does not work 100% quit and rightly so!
    Let’s talk about “mary kay math” shall we? It’s more like 5 to 23% per week of new and existing customers contacted with cosmetics and toiletries that will buy if you ask me! I did it for 90 business days and only sold 45% of the inventory I paid $2000 for in 1986 before sending the remainder back despite being told by the neighbor who recruited me, gave me her 200 or so existing customer facial file cards acquired over 9 years assuring me that I could make some “pocket money” most months and around $600 towards the holidays doing it part time.
    I’ve been in and around sales since my teens and know ‘how to sell the pen’ which means when I signed up with MK I already had a sound foundation of sales skills and knew how to appraise the results of my efforts with selling the products to the standard of ability that typically worked out to my earnings of bonuses/commissions selling personal property ranging from $50 to $247 of culinary items per hour in a call center environment, averages of from 2 to 5 pairs of shoes per hour and $200 to $1256 and some change in commissions per week selling Kirby vacuums over a summer as a teen. It was not difficult for me with that experience to decide whether the effort was worth promoting as a distributor as well as a recruiter by the second week of doing it because I did not ‘flip’ the product as I had thought would be ‘no biggie’ to do. By day 45 the “mary kay math” in terms of subtracting my costs (gas, phone, cost per square foot of the bottom half of the condo I rented used to store the products,Mary Kay marketing materials and office equipment and other supplies used and my time) worked out to well below the minimum wage. Even by the Friday of the last week I did it, the average hourly earnings remained pathetically below the minimum wage of that time. I could not legitimately encourage anyone, especially friends and family to sign up with any expectation beyond joining it as a personal user to get discounts if like me, they ‘liked alot of the MK stuff’ unless they too did not mind the prospect of selling products with such poor statistics of saleability!
    Most who have shared their stories here at Pinktruth.com have figured out that recruiting and frontloading is ‘the true name of the game’ in Mary Kay (MK) to bring on personal profits vs. weighting their personal and recruited teams’ efforts on customer sales and service. The fact that the statistical rates of sales of MK and other products that populate MLM are so low on a daily, weekly and monthly basis by both experienced and those individuals who mostly do not have any experience with sales training and ‘in the field’ application of it trying to honestly sell over a reasonable time of 3-6 months when they begin means a majority will quit.
    The statistic that 99% of those who sign up with any MLM makes complete sense to me as does the disingenousness of MLM plans when compared to true businesses that earn by maintaining the first law of business as well explained in this article by a direct selling ‘old timer’ who recalls the history of real MLM vs. how it is defined and largely (mal)practiced http://www.carefulcash.com/what-is-mlm-really/

  8. Lazy Gardens

    To condemn a whole class of businesses without thoroughly studying it seems a little irresponsible to me!

    The MLM business model has been thoroughly studied … and the conclusions are always the same. It’s designed to move as much money from new recruits to the founders and early signers as possible.

    The unrestricted recruiting guarantees that there will be too many sellers for the number of buyers so no one can make a decent living selling the product.

  9. Deflated Pink Bubble

    Oh for Christ sake… Really? We need to defend this crap again?

    No. Instead I’m going to ask a question.

    Sir, does your wife or girlfriend sell Mary Kay? I’d be she does and that’s how you found us. Let me enlighten you, she is feeding you a line of crap. She probably has several credit cards that are maxed out that you don’t even know about… We have been there. We DID put in the time. We KNOW how this scheme works. Probably better than most.

    Another drive by. I hope he comes back and reads this.

  10. MLM Radar

    I read on just to see if you had uncovered some things about MLM businesses that might be new and different and, of course, accurate…
    The IRS does make a distinction between a pyramid and a multilevel marketing business. Your web sit confuses and jumbles the two…
    To condemn a whole class of businesses without thoroughly studying it seems a little irresponsible to me!

    To make false, misleading, and blatantly inaccurate statements about a whole class of businesses seems a little irresponsible to me!

    The IRS does NOT make a distinction between pyramids and MLMs. The agency that does is the Federal Trade Commission – the FTC. According to the FTC, an MLM where most of the money comes from end-user sales may be legitimate. [Note: if anyone ever finds such an MLM please say so.] But the FTC says an MLM where most of the money comes from recruiting and selling products to recruits is probably an illegal pyramid scheme.

    What the IRS says deals with taxes and tax liability, not with legal nuances of MLMs and pyramids. If you go to the IRS website and search for pyramids and MLMs you’ll find the following:
    1. If you invent in a Ponzi scheme you may be able to get some tax relief (i.e., if you’re the victim of a Bernie Madoff style scheme).
    2. If your home based business (of any sort) has losses more than two years out of any five consecutive years, it’s a hobby and not a business. That means you can’t deduct your losses (bye-bye MK tax “savings”).

    So, Mister “You didn’t do your due diligence”, before you spew any more fake “facts” about MLMs, you need to due YOUR due diligence and make sure you’re providing accurate information.

    And, while you’re at it, since you’re such an expert on MLMs, how about you provide the names of those MLMs you know of where the distributors make more money from sales than recruiting.

    We’re waiting….

  11. Melanie

    Umm yeah I’d like to comment here. I worked my tail off to try and earn a MK car and still couldn’t finish the second month of qualification with 30 PEOPLE ON MY TEAM! I went to every meeting and had bi or tri weekly facials or parties! I certainly pulled my fair share of production but I still couldn’t make my team members work the business at the level I was! And guess what?!? It’s ok! They were the smart ones who didn’t let Mk dominate their lives! I see that now! That’s their decision! MK dominated my life!! Thank God I failed! It was the best failure of my life because I could finally see I was a slave to it!!!

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