You Might Be a Kaybot

Maybe you think I am one of the Kaybots. And that’s fine. And maybe I shouldn’t even take the time to respond. But I feel I should.

I became a consultant in May. I know what you’re thinking, oh you poor dear, you don’t know what you are in for. Well, I do. See, I did do my research. And I found this site, and I read everything, and I see one overarching theme. Bitterness. Now, I am of course not saying that y’all’s experiences aren’t real. Of course I believe you had those experiences, because that is what you are saying, and I would like to believe that people are honest in sharing their experiences. So let me share mine.

Mary Kay changed my life. And I don’t mean becoming a consultant. I have been a customer for over 7 years. My skin has never looked better. And yes, I have tried other products, and no, I don’t think that Mary Kay is overpriced. My makeup and skincare lasts me twice as long and has the same quality. But what do I know right? I know that I have never felt more beautiful.

When I joined, I was not pressured to buy inventory. My director told me it was totally up to me. But I decided to go for it. And I haven’t placed a $600 order since then, because I haven’t quite gotten the sales. And my director told me NOT to buy more product than money I had. Funny huh? Because how in the heck are you going to make money if you keep spending more than you have made? Interesting.

My director is one of the most honest hard working people I know, and she is an incredible woman. I have never ONCE in my entire time being involved with Mary Kay, felt pressured in to doing or buying or participating in something I did not want to do.

So I am sorry to all of you for your bad experiences. And I hope ragging on Mary Kay helps you feel better. But, in my heart, and saying this from my heart, Mary Kay Ash was a wonderful woman who started an amazing company that helps women look and feel beautiful. And just like no one can take away your bad experiences with Mary Kay, you can’t take away people’s good experiences either. #mymklife #mypinktruth

31 Comments

  1. MLM Radar

    “And my director told me NOT to buy more product than money I had. Funny huh?”

    My dear, what she says and what you’re hearing are two different things. You’re listening to what you THINK she says, and calling it good.

    Look again about what your director said: Don’t buy more product than the money you have.
    That means: Don’t spend more than your credit card limit. Don’t bounce checks after emptying your savings account. Don’t ask your husband or mother for money (they may talk you out of being a consultant).

    Notice what your Director DIDN’T say: Don’t buy more product than what your customers order.
    That’s what you THINK she said. But that’s why you get those month-end calls asking you to S-T-R-E-T-C-H. And that’s why you get ignored. And shamed.
    “Don’t worry. You’ll sell it.” No, you won’t.

    There’s a world of difference between spending your available cash and buying just what your customers want. Your director only makes money if you spend all your available cash.

  2. PeachyNotPink

    Oh my. You weren’t pressured into buying inventory. Yet you say, “But I decided to go for it. And I haven’t placed a $600 order since then, because I haven’t quite gotten the sales.” If you ordered in May when you signed up, then you haven’t sold your product from 5 months ago. That right there shows you that the product “doesn’t sell itself” nor does it “fly off the shelf”.

    Let me ask: Did your director insist on placing your first order for you because she “knew what sells”? If she did, think about that for a moment. She knows what sells, but you haven’t been able to move that inventory in over 5 months.

    And should you complain to your Director about not having the sales to unload inventory purchased months ago, be prepared for her to blame YOU. You aren’t working hard enough, booking enough, warm chatting enough – even though those products were supposed to be so easy to sell, and she supposedly gave you product that was popular.

    Now that Chromafusion colors have come out, how are you going to sell your outdated product? I’d bet dollars to donuts your director will be asking you to update your inventory for the holiday season (notoriously one of the lowest sales periods for home party MLM’s like MK).

    One thing I do agree with you on. MK HAS changed your life. Unfortunately, I don’t think it was for the better.

  3. Char

    I love stealing old ladies’ purses after they leave the bank. It’s been a GREAT EXPERIENCE for me. They’re too weak to fight back, and with their money I’m able to afford nice clothes and makeup. A few things didn’t fit, so I returned them. No problem, no pressure to keep what I didn’t like. I must say, I am the best dressed purse thief out there and have never looked better. Thank you old ladies who can’t afford to buy your medicine now. Like I care about that. NOT. What’s important is that “I” am having a great experience. It’s all about me you know. Stealing is only bad if you get caught. My fabulous mentor, Mary Kay Cashonly, taught me that. Anyway, I think she was responsible for training the whole gang of thieves in the Southeast. Truly phenomenal woman. – The End.

    What’s the message here? Stealing, or my experience, wearing nice clothes, and looking good? As in, “My makeup and skincare lasts me twice as long and has the same quality. But what do I know right? I know that I have never felt more beautiful.”

    Another shallow thinking consultant who doesn’t get it. Mary Kay is an MLMing company.

    https://www.scribd.com/document/149677221/THE-CASE-FOR-AND-AGAINST-MULTI-LEVEL-MARKETING-by-Jon-Taylor

    “Thus, as a system, MLM is fundamentally flawed, unfair, and deceptive.” – Dr. Taylor

  4. pinkpeace

    “When I joined, I was not pressured to buy inventory. My director told me it was totally up to me. But I decided to go for it. And I haven’t placed a $600 order since then, because I haven’t quite gotten the sales.”

    Your director told you it was totally up to you AFTER she gave you the entire pitch on different levels of inventory. I know, because I did that, too. In fact, I personally created the inventory level chart that was adopted by thousands of directors across the country.

    You were shown all the great prizes, free product bonuses and Star recognition you’d get if you went with the full store. You were told how you’d be able to service all your customers right away, no matter what skin tone they were or what color cosmetics they preferred. You would show yourself as a woman who was serious about her business and was already more than halfway to car production!

    As your director outlined each diminishing ordering level, her enthusiasm and praise became fainter and fainter, until she got to the $600 level. “At this level, you basically have products for your own use, and a few to demo. But it’s certainly not enough to service your Perfect Start or to have the products your customers are going to demand once they try them. And it’s a hassle having to make smaller orders after each skin care class when you could have had the products you needed on your shelf, along with all those fabulous bonuses. But, hey, it’s totally up to you.”

    So you decided to go for it. Of course you did! Your director put pressure on you, in a subtle, but effective, way. I can’t tell you how many Star orders I was able to pull using my handy chart and my vocal inflections and body language. I never had to tell a consultant what to order – I just led her into thinking that a Star order was the only reasonable option to take.

    And does the fact that you haven’t placed a $600 order since then tell you anything? YOU’RE NOT SELLING THE PRODUCT. Wasn’t that the reason you got into Mary Kay in the first place? And now because of Chromafusion, you have stacks of obsolete products on your shelves that you’ll be hard-pressed to move.

    I’m glad your skin looks and feels the way you want it to. I just hope your bank account looks and feels healthy, as well. My guess is that it will start to become dry and lifeless very soon.

  5. OnelessSD

    Well goodness, I’m so glad she came around and reminded me that I’m bitter! I totally forgot about that… because I’m so busy with my family, my job, and all the fun things I get to do OUTSIDE of MK! Thank you so much for the reminder! “heart you!”

    Thank you for reminding me of what my life was while in MK – stressful, frantic, broke, etc. The stressful and frantic was due to working with a small unit and trying to make up the short-fall in production with my personal sales each month. Yes, I sold a lot of product – I had a good sized customer base, but I was constantly looking for more people- that is exhausting…. but you’re not there yet- as you’ve only been in since May… you’re still in the Honeymoon stage… just wait- you’ll get there. 🙂 The broke part- well, that’s self explanatory! There was always more month than money. All those hours I put into MK, didn’t always equate with getting paid. All those hours prepping, packing for either appointments or meetings. The training prep and actual training I was giving. The coaching to customers and consultants, etc… THAT I didn’t get actually paid for… the only way I got paid was through my director commissions (with a small unit- they tend to be small) and with my sales. I was working MK at least 40 hrs a week when you add it all up, but barely making the equivalent to minimum wage. So yes- I was broke. Thankfully I have a husband who is a good provider, so we always had what we needed, but not so much the extras. But my skin looked AMAZING – and I felt like a success (because I had made it to directorship) but my Schedule C on my tax return painted a much different picture- I was losing money and fast – I was deep in debt.

    Fast forward to today… 7 years later, my family and I are virtually debt free (excluding our house… that will take another 7 years!)… we still have everything we need.. and more! We vacation when we want to (and pay cash), we do the things we want to (and pay cash), etc. You see, I really don’t think of money these days… not like when I was in MK… I don’t wake up in the middle of the night thinking of money… and how I was always short. I don’t stress about how many names I need to get the next day to generate enough leads to get the appointments to get the sale/ recruit, etc. In fact, I don’t wake up in the middle of the night anymore! It’s so nice!

    Anyways, I just wanted to thank you for reminding me of what my life in MK was.. and what my life out of MK is – and the drastic difference there is….. oh, and that I’m supposed to be bitter about that… really?! Once again “heart you!”

    1. BestDecision

      Nor am I stressed out over explaining to my unit why MK dropped the new color products with no advance notice to them. Wonder how many discontinued eyeshadows are going to be Holiday Open House ornaments this year??

      Just typing “Holiday Open House” made me throw up a little bit.

      1. OnelessSD

        Best!! YES! Explaining all the product changes was one of the worst! AND… normally I would have held my Holiday Open House this past weekend… would have had Christmas decorations up and been frantic trying to pull it all together- and praying that people showed up! This past weekend… my husband and I went out of town – to the mountains and enjoyed ourselves!

      2. Jan RD

        Does anyone make money from those Holiday Open Houses? I remember being the only guest at the time and buying a Satin Hands theme mug. Maybe that consultant should have planned a weekend road trip.

        1. pinkpeace

          I actually used to make a good amount of money at the open houses. However, the amount of work that it took to hold them was exhausting. One of the very best parts of getting out of Mary Kay was never having to do an open house again. I felt like I had an extra vacation every November!

          1. enorth

            One day when I was feeling particularly impish, I posted on a kaybot’s thread. She was “excited” about her first Holiday Open House, and I asked if she had remembered to plan for designated parking, traffic control, and Entrance and Exit doors at her home to manage the flow of customers.

          2. OnelessSD

            I actually did really well at my open houses too… it was a money maker. However, the time and effort it took to get it all organized, decorated, advertised, etc… it was exhausting. Then for all of my customers that couldn’t make it “on the day”… I had follow up appointments in the days and weeks after…. it felt like it never ended. The 1st year I didn’t do the open house…. was so freeing. I felt like I gained so much time back! I never knew exactly how much time it actually was sucking out of my life. Glad to be normal again and decorate for Christmas at an appropriate time of year.. .instead of over Halloween.

            1. MLM Radar

              If you paid yourself $15 per hour for every hour you spent preparing, organizing, decorating, advertising, and following up, would your holiday open house still have been a money maker? I’m thinking not.

              1. Char

                I have a similar question. If the recruiter had presented the “opportunity” and said this would happen:

                “However, the time and effort it took to get it all organized, decorated, advertised, etc… it was exhausting. Then for all of my customers that couldn’t make it “on the day”… I had follow up appointments in the days and weeks after…. it felt like it never ended.”

                Would the person sign up? Would the person do this for an average of minimum wage, if that, without benefits?

                If the truth was told by MLM recruiters, no one would do it. That’s why they lie and exaggerate the “opportunity”. That’s why it’s referred to as an “opportunity”. It’s not a guarantee of income. It’s CYA by Corporate and the recruiter in cahoots with them.

              2. MLM Radar

                Please don’t be thinking I’m suggesting that $15 an hour is profit, because I’m not.

                What I’m trying to say is that in calculating real profit you have to include the cost of labor. Your time is worth something. You can’t assume that you just volunteered all your brains and effort.

                To hold plan, prepare, hold, and follow up on your holiday open house, you have to use time that you could have devoted to something else, like a traditional job. That’s called “Opportunity Cost.” Your Mary Kay “Opportunity” costs you time, and keeps you from earning money doing something else.

                Say that “something else” is a $10 an hour job with benefits, and your employer is paying half the payroll tax; that’s about the same as $15 an hour from anything else, like your Mary Kay open house.

                Unless your holiday open house cleared a decent profit over and above $15 for every hour you devoted to it, you came out behind.

  6. Jo Giles

    Bitter is an understatement. Nobody makes you buy or sell Mary Kay. For alot of women it is an opportunity and many women loves MK products. For some women it is alot of fun to go to shows or to get those orders in the mail. I am sure this website is somehow making money from the people who started it. I am sure every single company that is selling something is trying to make money. It seems more like a website designed to make women feel stupid for wanting to buy cosmetics and skin care. I believe you already have many clubs or groups on facebook, twitter, and everywhere there is a negative thing to come together on in the media. Shame on you all. Go out and try to get something good going on in your life. Go to walgreens or walmart or wherever you like and buy something. Protests Sephora, Ulta, and other cosmetics departments.

    1. TRACY

      Oh Jo, you are so confused. We’re not “protesting” anything. We’re here to inform women about the evils of Mary Kay. And we don’t have a problem with any cosmetics departments. We have a problem with MK’s fake business that they peddle with lies. It’s nearly impossible to make money selling these products, yet they lie and tell you lots of women are making money.

      We love cosmetics and skin care. We just happen to think that MK is a predatory company and we’re happy to call them out on their nonsense. Informing women about the TRUTH is a very good thing indeed.

    2. PeachyNotPink

      Oh, Jo. I’m going to just deconstruct a few things you said:

      “Nobody makes you buy or sell Mary Kay” – We were manipulated, lied to, and guilted into participating. It’s the difference between physical and verbal abuse. Just because my partner doesn’t hit me doesn’t mean I wasn’t abused. So just because “no one held a gun to my head” doesn’t mean I wasn’t coerced.

      “I am sure this website is somehow making money from the people who started it. I am sure every single company that is selling something is trying to make money.” – This is a false equivalency. You cannot compare a website like PT to an MLM like MK. This website does not recruit people, nor does it even sell anything. In fact, I believe Tracy is so successful at her real job that she funds this website out of her own pocket. However, you cannot compare a real wholesale company to an MLM. There are actual customers on the end of the line of a real company. MK only sells to consultants. Ever notice they don’t keep track of actual customer sales? Only how much consultants buy.

      “It seems more like a website designed to make women feel stupid for wanting to buy cosmetics and skin care.” No, it is a website designed to tell women the truth about MLM’s and especially about the deceptive practices about MK. If you feel stupid, then maybe that is your conscious trying to tell you something.

      Keep reading the articles here on Pink Truth. You may see some of your own expriences

    3. TRACY

      “I am sure this website is somehow making money from the people who started it.”

      I read so fast the first time that I missed what you really said here.

      The website is making money from the people who started it. Well the “people” who started it are… ME. The website isn’t making money from me, but I DO pay out of my own pocket to run the site and have done so for the last 12 years. It’s cost me thousands of dollars to do that. But I don’t mind because it helps so many people and because I can afford to do so since I run a real business with real customers and real income. 🙂

    4. MLM Radar

      Jo,
      Shame on YOU for spewing false assumptions about this website, then having the NERVE to try to shame us for them.

      It’s really obvious that you like to speak first and ask questions later. If you’d spent as much time reading here as you spent typing hate, you’d have saved yourself a lot of embarrassment.

      That mindset may make you a good MK Director, or good at whatever MLM you came from. But it won’t get you anywhere here. We already know the real truth.

  7. Laura

    Oh dear…someone has been drinking the pink Kool-Aid!

    First off – you bought inventory – and that’s ALL your director cares about. Return your product and see how she reacts.

    As for loving the skin care? You are the FIRST person I have ever heard say that! I’ve got a huge money-saving tip for you: Go to Wal-Mart and buy the cheapest cleanser and moisturizer you can find. Dollars to doughnuts your skin will feel exactly the same at a fraction of the price 🙂 You’re welcome.

  8. Cindylu

    I just wish PT had begun when I was recruited. I did ask around but couldn’t figure out why many IBC’s, DIQ’s and then Directors quit immediately after Seminar. I got sick and then tried to have someone show up at my Open House or classes. No one came. I made the odd sale but then the product line changed once again. In MK there is never ever any place to actually advertise. In the end I had no choice but to send my products back. My Director didn’t care that I got sick. Then there were the costs including: Meetings which cost money (Including product donations). Make up artistry classes were costly and taught nothing. Conferences cost money. We heard the same old fake stories from an NSD. She claimed that her first Christmas was with some kind of Charlie Brown tree till MK saved her. Truth be told is she married someone with money and was never actually poor. She also wasn’t a millionaire in her ordinary house. Then there were those directors lined up lying about their highest checks in MK. Problem was that check for my SD was years ago. So of course you believe what you were told. How could all of this be fake? Why would all those MK women be misleading others? It’s the faking it till you make it. Most cannot fake it for the decades it takes to maybe make it. Most in Amway, Avon, Pampered Chef, Herbalife, Nutrilite, Scientologists, those within the FLDS, Jehovah Witness, NXIVN, etc. think that their group are just fine. Once you have no choice but to leave then there is a little thing called shunning. I assure you that for your director and this company it’s a numbers game. You are just a number and just a means to the Director making a few bucks. Using others, manipulating and telling you what you need to hear are how they recruit and move forward. You aren’t their friend. You are a mark or a target. Eventually I began to realize that those innocent and good women in my unit were being exploited for my SD’s personal gain. One woman who was on welfare had products that were yellowed with age. Yup MK products where you have no clue how old they are.

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