Stop Hateshaming Mary Kay!

Pink Truth is apparently just one or two women who didn’t put in effort with their Mary Kay venture, and now they’re jealous and they’re taking it out online. We need to take ownership of our choices. And also someone who could have been a national was probably prevented from doing that because of Pink Truth. Great job, everyone. Thanks for the input, random pink truth critic!

I keep reading all these stories and posts and what I don’t understand is why any one of these people involved in this site even cares? It’s masked as a way “to help other ‘victims’ from the mary kay scam” but really sounds like a bunch of whiney, negative, judgemental women. I’m not a consultant nor do I care if Mary Kay is a “scam” or not.

No one is being manipulated or promised anything from what I can tell nor does anyone have a gun put to their head to invest in their involvement is this company so hardly think this page is necessary. If anyone felt pressured to do something that is their own internal nonsense talking. No one can make you feel a certain way, your giving these consultants to much damm credit frankly.

If you really wanted Mary Kay to sink and fall you would not show any attention to the company at all. That is indifference and indifference will kill a company more than slandering and hateshaming ever could. Anyone truly wasting their time slandering a company for selling cosmetics and recruiting other employees suggests jealousy that you didn’t so the work needed to be successful yourself. Otherwise if that were not the case you wouldn’t care.

I find it hard to believe a company that lasts 55+ years without any debt worldwide could do so while silently manipulating victims the whole time. Its more likely that one or two women who “tried” mary kay, invested money, put in little time of effort in to be sucessful got jealous and bitter and quit and decided to take out their feelings of inadequacy online. You know statistically there is study after study that visualization and positive enforcement will create sucess in business then skepticism?

The ones truly harming the potential of future consultants are those on this site. Its like everyone takes god and family before work to mean that every hiccup, diaper rash and diaper change is worth using as an excuse not to work your business and any one who disagrees is part of a manipulative pyrimid scheme…no..we disagree because your flaky and lazy and expect success to fall in your lap.

You exoect to run sucessful business without startup costs. These other businesses made everyone so damn entitled. No real business can effectively run without a stock of inventory and that always costs money. What if your favorite clothes store only carried one item of every size to try on and you haf to order your new clothes? Dumb.

Sorry for whomever got “manipulated” and quit their business and feels burned but maybe take mote ownership of your choices because seems to me while you are criticising and judging these sales directors about their lies etc that they are too busy earning jewelry and free cars etc to be bothered with that childish behavior…this is such a dumb Congo in my opinion and its not your job to save anyone. And shoving your point down potential recruits throats makes you no. Better then the women your complaining about.

How do you know your site hasn’t held back a woman from signing who would have been a national and had a totally different life for their family but you “saved her” so now she and her family struggle pay to pay wishing they had a plan b set up? I dunno just some thoughts

27 Comments

  1. MLM Radar

    This critic’s arguments amount to name-calling and blame-shifting. There’s nothing of substance In that entire essay.

    She wants us to believe that she’s a neutral outsider. For someone who was never in MK and doesn’t care, she”s certainly well-versed in MK half-truths.

    I’m guessing she’s a family member or close friend of a Director (who hasn’t been able to become a NSD) which would mean she’s not a neutral outsider at all.

    All old and large companies have their critics. If what the company does is truthful, the criticism doesn’t have much weight.

    Obviously this PT critic thinks this single website does carry enough weight to make a difference. That alone says she should pay attention. She can do all the name-calling she wants. But until she decides to test those MK slogans she quotes so easily, she’s just spewing hot air.

    1. PeachyNotPink

      Well, if you really think about it, “hate shaming” is shaming hate. Which is exactly what the OP is doing to us – shaming us for hating MK.

      Majority of the time here I want to quote The Princess Bride, “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

  2. Peaches

    So… I’m just sitting in my house on a 30 degree day without heat because I want to? Or is it because I bought into the “dream”, invested ALL of m savings into product and ancillaries, career conference, Monday Live Meetings with the requisite “dues” (to help with the cost of the meeting room and meeting materials), and who knows what else. Oh and did I not mention that I rooted around on the web for such sites as The LemonAid Lady, Party Plan Divas, DSWA and Belinda Ellsworth (to name a few) to pay for more complete information and education because I felt that Mary Kay was teaching me nothing in the neighborhood of sales and marketing… Yet It’s supposed to be a REAL business with On-the-Job training. I purchased MK CD’s for that much “valued” EDU but all I heard were I-Stories and maybe a tidbit or two.

    So, no… I wasn’t jealous. I searched for the Holy Grail of MK sales and found out that They were the ones selling me the product as if I were the end user, selling me the hype as if I would not take a breath and figure out for myself that I was not learning anything except that I was being taken advantage of and they sold me a dream which was unobtainable in this day and time of really Great products from other more reputable beauty companies.

    And another thing… the very thing about I-Stories… They REEK of Selfishness, Self Promotion and Narcissism.

  3. “It’s masked as a way…”

    It’s not MASKED. Unlike the lies and mis-directions that are SOP for MKult, the site openly states that it’s purpose is to protect women from being preyed upon by the MKult scam.

    “nor do I care if Mary Kay is a “scam” or not”

    Why are you here? You don’t care if women are being scammed? You are heartless.

    “The ones truly harming the potential of future consultants are those on this site.”

    How can we harm anyone’s potential? MK is the best opportunity going and the product sells itself. How can just one or two bitter, lazy, losers impact a 55+ year cheap makeup behemoth? You sound scared…

    “…nor does anyone have a gun put to their head…”

    You’ve outed yourself as a MKult predator. Your pants are down, your cover’s blown!

    “Hateshaming” WTF does this even mean?? Fat shaming is when someone like you, shames someone else for being fat. Hate shaming is when someone like you shames someone else for hating. See how that works? YOU are the one doing the hateshaming [sic].

    “slandering a company” The correct term is “libeling” – the legal term is “defaming”. Truth, as in Pink TRUTH, is an absolute defense to the complaint of defamation. Accusing someone of “slander” is a pretty strong accusation, and if proven false, would actually place YOU in the position of having defamed the site.

    “statistically there is study after study that visualization and positive enforcement will create sucess [sic] in business then skepticism”

    “Statistically there are studies”…? The stupidity of this makes my head hurt. However, if you’ve got some studies, produce them. Post the links. You won’t – you’re brainwashed by law of attraction crap.

    “ts like everyone takes god and family before work to mean that every hiccup, diaper rash and diaper change is worth using as an excuse not to work”

    It’s not an excuse. It’s a founding principle of MKult. FAITH. FAMILY. CAREER. Notice the ORDER of those? FAMILY comes BEFORE career.

    Here, SFB, here is one of the glorious NSD’s explaining what that guiding principle actually means and how it should be taught:

  4. ihatemk

    Wow, you are really getting yourself so upset about something you claim you don’t care about. This site is here to support those who have discovered that MK is NOT what it is claimed or portrayed to be. If you have read the posts on this site, then you would know that a lot of the ladies on her were driving the cars and were directors, nsd, etc and were fighting like hell to keep their head above water and a lot of them discovered that it could not be done, especially not the MK way. How many of these ladies do you think ordered at the last minute in order to maintain their status? They were s t r e t c h i n g to make it b/c after all the product sells itself. Go check ebay and see how many MK listings are there, if it sells itself so wonderfully, why is it on ebay? These ladies worked very hard in MK and don’t have a whole lot to show for it. MK is full of stupid platitudes like “you have to show up to go up” (no, we just want to keep you brainwashed before you realize what a SCAM this is, that is why MK wants you to attend meetings), “the speed of the leader is the speed of the gang” (the more you order and attend meetings and recruit is sooooo beneficial to MK), “you can’t sell from an empty wagon” (really, plenty of people order on line and wait for their product), “training is free” (hmmm, wonder why the IBC has to pay a meeting fee?), “there is no quota in MK” (I don’t remember exactly, but I think an order of at least 200 dollars has to be placed every 3 or 4 mos, but there is no quota, but if you don’t order whatever it is, you don’t get the discount). There are far more than 1 or 2 unhappy women on this site. No, a gun was not held to these ladies heads physically, but the process of shaming and extreme pressure to order was placed on them. I have heard at some of these MK meetings the ones that questioned MK or had “negative” thinking had to hold a stuffed skunk or rubber chicken. That is part of embarrassing someone and making them feel bad. People should be supported, not made to feel ashamed b/c they were not seeing the things that were promised by MK. No REAL answer was provided to these ladies concerned, just stop the stinking thinking and some stupid platitude. Very helpful (NOT). I hope this site did save someone from the heartache of MK. The lying, the manipulation, the half truths, or no truths. I came to this site b/c the MK parties that I have gone to the IBC was just toooooo far over the top and I would think to myself, who are these weird people who get all excited over makeup and have these fantastic “I” stories that don’t sound remotely believable. What I don’t understand is why you are so upset about this site, if you don’t like it don’t visit it. We have heard your opinion, but for the majority on this site that is not our opinion and you don’t have to force feed your opinion to us. There are plenty of positive MK sites go visit those.

  5. Char

    “I don’t understand is why any one of these people involved in this site even cares?” –

    Why do people care about Breast Cancer, drunk driving, using drugs, See Something Say Something, MADD, SADD, Racists, etc.? Perhaps these people or someone close to them suffered and they don’t want it to happen to anyone else. Are you suggesting people should stay ignorant?

    “It’s masked as a way “to help other ‘victims’ from the mary kay scam” but really sounds like a bunch of whiney, negative, judgemental women.” –

    Is that how you would classify the advocates in the list above? For shame.

    “I’m not a consultant nor do I care if Mary Kay is a “scam” or not.”-

    Clearly you don’t care that it’s a scam.

    “nor does anyone have a gun put to their head to invest in their involvement is this company” –

    No. Instead they are lied to and misled so they willingly invest.

    “If anyone felt pressured to do something that is their own internal nonsense talking.”-

    Its called double talk and scripted manipulation. Passive aggressive pressure.

    No one can make you feel a certain way, your giving these consultants to much damm credit frankly. –

    No. They are being exposed.

    “If you really wanted Mary Kay to sink and fall you would not show any attention to the company at all. That is indifference and indifference will kill a company more than slandering and hateshaming ever could.”-

    Indifference doesn’t stop crime or harmful acts.

    “Anyone truly wasting their time slandering a company for selling cosmetics and recruiting other employees suggests jealousy that you didn’t so the work needed to be successful yourself. Otherwise if that were not the case you wouldn’t care.” –

    It’s only defamation if the statement is not true factually. Would love to have MKC and consultants audited. Btw, I am not jealous of someone who doesn’t know the difference between libel and slander, someone who wears MLM MK makeup and erroneously thinks it’s a business. Now that’s dumb.

    “I find it hard to believe a company that lasts 55+ years without any debt worldwide could do so while silently manipulating victims the whole time.” –

    It’s also hard to believe my parents didn’t wear seat belts, didn’t put me in a car seat, smoked with me in the car up front between them unbelted, but hey we are much more knowledgeable now aren’t we?

    “Its more likely that one or two women who “tried” mary kay, invested money, put in little time of effort in to be sucessful got jealous and bitter and quit and decided to take out their feelings of inadequacy online.” –

    Are you suggesting people are jealous of people who harm others? Or that one has to get a cancer to be proactive against it or lend support? Jump off a bridge to test the death rate?

    “You know statistically there is study after study that visualization and positive enforcement will create sucess in business then skepticism?” –

    So if I visualize being a successful drug dealer, I might not get caught and make loads of money. Duly noted. Thanks for the tip. I’ll be sure to credit MK.

    “The ones truly harming the potential of future consultants are those on this site.” –

    Thwarting a future pyramid schemer most people would agree is a good thing. What kind of person are you?!!!! Geez

    “Its like everyone takes god and family before work to mean that every hiccup, diaper rash and diaper change is worth using as an excuse not to work your business and any one who disagrees is part of a manipulative pyrimid scheme…no..we disagree because your flaky and lazy and expect success to fall in your lap.” –

    “We”? Busted!

    Btw, it’s not a business. Nope not lazy, just smart. Success as an MLMer is not something you could make me do. Someone might take revenge for scamming them and go postal on me. Very scary.

    “You exoect to run sucessful business without startup costs. These other businesses made everyone so damn entitled. No real business can effectively run without a stock of inventory and that always costs money.” –

    Ugh, IT’S NOT A REAL BUSINESS. IT’S MLMing aka PYRAMID SCHEMING.

    “What if your favorite clothes store only carried one item of every size to try on and you haf to order your new clothes? Dumb.” –

    You mean a real store? Or are we talking about MLMers trying to pawn off their already purchased items at double retail to me?

    “Sorry for whomever got “manipulated” and quit their business and feels burned but maybe take mote ownership of your choices because seems to me while you are criticising and judging these sales directors about their lies etc that they are too busy earning jewelry and free cars etc to be bothered with that childish behavior…this is such a dumb Congo in my opinion and its not your job to save anyone.” –

    So you don’t care if they lie and overcharge friends and family for personal gain? Well, if you’re not in MK, you should definitely join. Disgusting.

    “And shoving your point down potential recruits throats makes you no. Better then the women your complaining about.” –

    You mean facts to potential victims being conned?

    “How do you know your site hasn’t held back a woman from signing who would have been a national and had a totally different life for their family but you “saved her” so now she and her family struggle pay to pay wishing they had a plan b set up? I dunno just some thoughts” –

    Holding back a woman from conning others? If she needs money that bad, robbing a bank would probably be easier, more lucrative, and she’s not directly taking money from individuals she knows. Also, I think banks are insured by the FDIC……Just some thoughts.

  6. Still Breaking The Basic

    “I find it hard to believe a company that lasts 55+ years without any debt worldwide could do so while silently manipulating victims the whole time.”

    The company doesn’t have any debt because they’ve shifted it to the consultants with the “you can’t sell from an empty wagon” and “stars drive cars” crap. Those are only two of the manipulation methods you deny that do exist.

    How many consultants (current and former) have faced divorce and bankruptcy just to keep up the façade of the not-for-free car in the driveway?

    Your spelling, grammar, and use of punctuation give you away.

  7. Lazy Gardens

    “You know statistically there is study after study that visualization and positive enforcement will create more success in business than skepticism?”

    I have not seen these studies. Can you provide links to the academic or business journals where they were published?

    I have worked for Fortune 500 companies and they DO NOT RUN ON POSITIVE THINKING. They run on facts, proper business accounting methods, minimizing inventory, and constantly analyzing what they are doing for whether it works or not based on the real numbers of sales and actual profits.

  8. enorth

    “visualization and positive enforcement”

    Nothing wrong with positive attitude, but it needs to be tempered with reality.
    These MLM people are drunk on the Law of Attraction, prosperity gospel, and self-development books. I heard Steven Furtick’s name so often, I had to look him up.

    The It Works crowd is especially hooked on self-development. I listened to a twenty-something Double-Triple-Ruby Diamond Presidential Ambassador leading her weekly call. She droned on for 15 minutes on how she does self-development morning and night you guys, like, self-development is sooo important you guys, like, listen you guys, you have to do self-development if you want to be a leader in this business, got that?
    She finally stopped for air and asked, “Does anyone have any questions?” ………long pause………A timid voice chirped up, “I have a question. What’s self-development?”

  9. BestDecision

    Ths just in…The Consultant Agreement now requires poor grammar to start MK.

    Not one of these people have used proper grammar in their posts for MONTHS. Proof that the sales force is still taught to prey upon women that don’t think for themselves and/or are poorly educated. Awful!

  10. raisinberry

    “I find it hard to believe a company that lasts 55+ years without any debt worldwide…”

    And here again, we have another liar presenting a false image of herself because as we all know, there is NO ONE who would ever tout “without any debt worldwide” as a random public fact. That is Mary Kay script and that means she’s a consultant. And I would guess she will do well, because as we also well know, you have to be able to lie through your teeth to con other women into joining.

  11. Julie

    This one was particularly fascinating because she claims not to be a Mary Kay consultant, nor to care especially about the company, while parroting basically everything I’ve seen former MK people cite as proof that the company is a giant scam. Others who have written these posts at least say “I’m with the company,” and this one says, in so many words, “I’m not a Mary Kay consultant” and then goes on to talk exactly like a Mary Kay consultant. Does she honestly think she can do that on a site full of people who have spent years with the company and not be seen for what she is? Does the self-deception really go that deep?

    Disclaimer: I really am not and never have been a Mary Kay consultant; I found this site while looking for information about MLM’s because I knew someone who was about to spend a crapload of money to become a LulaRoe consultant and I didn’t think it was a good idea. The site is so interesting that I’ve been a reader ever since. And even I, who don’t even USE Mary Kay cosmetics and never have, recognize the buzzwords now. This person is pretty darn amazing.

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