Women Have Been Changed By Mary Kay

An email from a Mary Kay lady who knows all the catch phrases….

I know I shouldn’t bother, because you probably get tons of emails like the one I am writing but what can I say…it’s my personality to defend something very important to me. My main problem with your sight is that you are basing your entire experience in Mary Kay on the directors or Nationals you worked under. I see very little about the actual company and more about how you were trained. Although bad directors do reflect on the company you should be more open to the fact that you just had a bad experience.

I too was a consultant under a “bad” director that only pushed recruits and inventory and I quickly burned out and left (five years ago) but I was logical and I knew that one person making bad judgement calls didn’t make the entire company bad.

If Mary Kay is as corrupt as you would say then how come more women make $100,000 a year in Mary Kay then any other company in the United State of America? How come there are thousands of women waiting to share their testimonies of how Mary Kay changed their future and their families futures? The reason you see so many women quitting is because they want a hobby and not a business.

You can’t make money in sales if you don’t treat it like a business and most women don’t have that discipline, it’s not because the company messed up. They have made it so extremely easy with $100 kit, 90% buy back, 100% guarantee on products. What other business can you start in America with $100? Even with inventory you can’t start your own business for less than $5,000. I now am in a unit with an amazing Christian Director that is truly helping to change the lives of hundreds. The experience is completely different and I am continuing to meet amazing directors that are nothing like the women you tear down and degrade on your site.

Inventory is such a controversial topic in Mary Kay. If I was to open my own beauty store would I have an empty store with catalogues on the shelf? Of course not, so why do others find it so weird that inventory is encouraged for any woman wanting to run a business. Some directors are way to aggressive with it, but the top directors know that yes Inventory makes a Mary Kay consultants job easier and will help sales but not absolutely necessary. My director doesn’t even talk big inventory packages unless directly asked about it.

I think you have let bitterness for a few people and your own personal experience poison you and now you are trying to persuade people away from what could be an opportunity of a life time for them. Is Mary Kay easy? No! It’s a business…you work hard and you run A BUSINESS! I pray that you will read my ramblings (smile) and open your heart to the idea of letting go of your anger. Find something that makes you happy and isn’t based on bashing good people.

Thank you for listening.

God bless,

Stephanie

P.S. How long since you have read Mary Kay’s autobiography? Read the section about tithing to her church and tell me that isn’t a truly amazing woman.

19 Comments

  1. Boiler Girl

    I left a cult at the age of 18. I can’t help but find this email to be in line with how the cult talks about those who leave.
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    I’ve been told that I let a few bad Christians paint my view of all christianity. I’ve been told that I needed to work harder on my personal relationship with Jesus. Basically put the blame back on myself …

    Then I’ve been told that I am “bitter”. I find it interesting the same language and tactics are used here in this email.

    I’m not saying Mary Kay is a cult, but if you’re using the same tactics to attack those who chose to leave…and the high heel fits…then maybe that’s what it really is…

  2. BestDecision

    Stephanie, I was a Director who also quoted the $100K statement, but have you ever seen a publication that explains that? No, not me, either. Somewhere, someone created that to get us all excited about making money, and it’s obviously still used today. I’m not denying there are people who are clearing, after taxes and expenses, $100k/year, but the VAST MAJORITY are not.

    All you need to do is look at what car people are driving. If they’re not in a Cadillac, they’re profiting less than $48,000/year. If they are in a Cadillac, ask them what Unit Circle they finished on June 30. If they didn’t do the Top Director Trip ($650,000 Circle of Excellence), it’s impossible for them to have cleared $100,000.

    Sorry, Stephanie, but you are regurgitating the same lines I was taught as a Consultant and then as a Director. The company profits from turning a blind eye to the MASSIVE cheating that happens. Why do you think the new Advance brochure outlines specific ways orders have to go through and who pays for them??

    Glad I woke up and smelled the coffee!

  3. wasrings90

    Dear Stephanie,

    Please cite 3 non MK sources for this this statistic..

    how come more women make $100,000 a year in Mary Kay then any other company in the United State of America?

    1. Neverpink

      Yes, Stephanie. Where are your sources for that statement?

      Did you know that many MLMs claim this same statistic all over social media? Just switch out “Mary Kay” for “ItWorks” or “Young Living” or “[flavor of the month MLM here]”.

      Cite your sources. Your NON-MK sources. Or do you have to ask your upline about that?

  4. Char

    (Gotta love Friday)

    “ I see very little about the actual company and more about how you were trained.” =

    DINGBAT (There’s that word again.) She has no clue about MLM-ing. She really should do due diligence.

    “I now am in a unit with an amazing Christian Director that is truly helping to change the lives of hundreds.” =

    CHRISTIAN SUPREMACIST. Is she also a white supremacist? I wonder. Time for self-reflection.

    “It’s a business…you work hard and you run A BUSINESS!” =

    FALSE PREMISE. MLM is not a business. Everything she says and thinks relevant to “business” based on that thereafter is worthless.

    “…….to the idea of letting go of your anger. Find something that makes you happy and isn’t based on bashing good people.” =

    PYRAMID SCHEMERS aren’t good. Anger toward people that harm others is good. It’s activism for a good cause. If there were an abused child, would I be called an angry basher if I tried to stop child abuse?

    Perhaps the abuser would call me angry? Food for thought!!!

    Mary Kay, or any MLM company, is financial abuse upon others. That’s how the few that did make 100k got there silly.

    1. JanRD

      “CHRISTIAN SUPREMACIST. Is she also a white supremacist?”

      Since Christians come from a multitude of ethnic and cultural backgrounds, I wouldn’t make that assumption. That said, the conduct of many in the MK world deviates from Christian and biblical principles.

      Char, you have made some excellent observations. Thanks for your input.

      1. Char

        Thanks Jan. True, but I would also say consultants also deviate from many non-Christian principles. Otherwise, Jewish or agnostic people as fellow humans might be offended – like when black people are unjustly judged differently.

        I was calling out the parallels of the mindset. Picking and choosing beliefs don’t exonerate the principle thought of a superiority complex. Humans are humans, created equally, and anything else related to belief is:

        “Supremacism is an ideology which holds that a certain class of people is superior to others, and that they should dominate, control, and subjugate others, or are entitled to do so.[1] The supposed superior people can be an age, race (classification of human beings) species, ethnicity, religion, gender (social construct), sexuality, language, social class, ideology, nation, or culture, or any other part of a population.”

  5. Lily in NYC

    Wow, this is obviously a new Red Jacket who is spouting the usual nonsense that was fed to her. OP, all of those “amazing facts” you stated are complete BS. You’ve been lied to. So instead of twisting yourself into pretzels trying to justify the fact that you have landed yourself into a “job” where you will go into debt, how about doing some real research and saving yourself before you go broke and lose all of your friends? PS: Your god doesn’t give a crap about your fake MaryKay business.

    1. DonewithMK666

      Well I have to say that Stephanie is right that Mary Kay has change so many lives but not for the better for the worse and there are so many people that are evidence of that! If it were just one or two bad sales directors or one or two bad national sales director then there would not be the hundreds of thousands of women who have lost money in Mary Kay! When you get statistics like that it shows a flawed system! It is a system that really needs to be put out of business so to speak!!! The only way it would ever be put out of business is that more women become educated and knowledgeable about how old they are being scammed so I personally applied tincture for being brave enough to bring this to life and for all of the people that contribute on here for being brave enough to put their stories out there !

  6. Former consultant

    Here is something I don’t understand. Why do these Kaybots think they OWN their own business? YOU DON’T. If, and this is a big IF, you OWN your own business, wouldn’t you be able to literally set your own hours? IF your OWN your own Business, then why do you have to shell out money four or five times a year to attend seminars and conferences to “get you motivated, and learn how to sell a product to get to the next level?” IF you OWN your own business, you would be able to advertise in print, or on television, internet, etc, WITHOUT having to consult a company for approved advertising and some stupid script. IF you OWN your own business, you could have a small store ( if you chose to). IF you OWN your own business, you wouldn’t have to buy so much inventory just to earn a car or other prizes to feel appreciated. IF you OWN your own business, you could hire a few people to help you with your business should it become a success. IF you OWN your own business, you are the CEO, PRESIDENT, FOUNDER, ETC.
    HELLO!! YOU DO NOT OWN YOUR OWN BUSINESS. IF you OWN your own business, then you wouldn’t have to RECRUIT people to make more money, or hold a ‘party’ in someone’s home who is not interested.
    When you OWN your own business, there are ALOT of things to consider, like paying rent/property taxes/ or other building expenses if you have a store front, postage, shipping fees, paying the vendor for the inventory you bought, etc. If you have to buy inventory to earn a prize, earn the use of a car that you most likely will have to make payments on, then you do not have a business.
    This lady needs to prove to all of us that she doesn’t have TONS of product sitting on shelves in her home, in boxes in her basement/attic, that she doesn’t have any in the trunk of her car, in a storage unit, etc. If you were really owning your own business, don’t you think you would be able to keep the car as a gift? Why do you have to ask people to contribute to something they are never going to drive? Why buy products that are overpriced when places like Ulta, Sephora, and others sell the same things? If you truly had your own business, you would understand the people you are catering your business to and find out what their true needs are. One of my friends can only use vegan makeup because there are alot of things she is allergic to. CAN MK offer VEGAN makeup? Nope. Can ANY of the claims that you, MKI, or any of the other kaybots spew out constantly be verified by a non mk related company as wasrings90 asked in a comment? Can you provide proof that you are making mad $$$$ in this business? I didn’t think so.

  7. OnelessSD

    Good morning Stephanie,

    Just curious, how long have you been a consultant? What is the highest level you’ve achieved? These 2 questions are important because they tell us exactly how much exposure to the ‘under-belly’ of MK. I was a consultant for 9 years before I became a director for 7 years… I thought I had seen it all, but if you’ve never crossed that line of becoming a director- there is much that is hidden from you… there are a lot of smoke and mirrors to hide the ‘darker’ things that happen to make MK work at that level.

    I understand how you think you’re in a much better unit now… and quite possibly you are. However, you stated that your new Director is a Christian lady- that’s wonderful, but please watch for a few things that are contrary to the Word of God. 1. Does she lie? Now, you are probably thinking “NO!”… but take a closer look please. Does she skew the truth?.. meaning… does she only tell part of the story/ give only part of the information needed to get the outcome she wants? For example: The Interview: Does she tell the prospect everything that the person needs to know about Mary Kay, how to work, etc. Even telling her the not so positive stuff, like only being paid from the profit of her sales (after all the taxes and expenses should be taken out… which is way less than 50%?) Does she explain that the commissions shown in the Applause Magazine are Gross Figures… that no taxes, etc. were taken out of that amount? (meaning that the $$ shown is not her to fully keep… because out of that all her taxes, expenses, chargebacks, etc. will need to be factored out of that ck). Moving on to the Inventory Talk – does she highlight ONLY the star orders? or does she give the person the full picture of all the orders? Also- if you were looking to purchase a business… wouldn’t you want to know all the financial decisions BEFORE signing all the paperwork? If someone knew the financial side of things- would they sign up and spend that initial $100? If the answer is NO to any of these questions… your new director is lying. She’s lying by omission… which is still lying… and the Bible says right there in the 10 Commandments “Do Not Lie”.

    I’m just trying to state some very basic principles here…. Lying is sin, the Bible says that plain and clear. Just by leaving out pertinent information from an interview or inventory talk is lying… (on purpose)… and we are barely scratching the surface of all the other stuff that goes on… so really, how God honoring is this director… and the entire company for that matter? If this is how they are trained to work… then I would clearly say- they are not.

    I hope you seriously come back and read these messages… because it might shed some much needed light on the ‘under-belly’ of MK.. and the more light that is shed on it… the more is exposed.

  8. MLM Radar

    I see very little about the actual company and more about how you were trained.
    Then obviously you haven’t been looking very closely. Perhaps you only looked at a few selective links your Director mentioned, along with the whole “what’s wrong with Pink Truth” speech.

    You may not be ready for Pink Truth yet. I’m going to give you a challenge. I challenge you to NOT read Pink Truth. I challenge you resist the temptation to peek. I’m betting you won’t be able to resist.

    If I was to open my own beauty store would I have an empty store with catalogues on the shelf?
    Why not? Amazon does that every day, and they’re one of the fastest growing companies in the US. Amazon only stocks inventory that they know they can sell in a few weeks or less. How fast are YOU selling that inventory you bought?

    My company’s community volunteer day was today and we all worked at the Goodwill Store. We were pulling stale inventory from the shelves so that it could be sent to a store in the next town. If the items aren’t needed locally, Goodwill sends the merchandise to another store which does need them.

    Would you like to know how our local Goodwill Store defines stale? Simple. If the merchandise is two weeks old, it’s stale. Two weeks. How old is YOUR inventory?

    It’s a business…you work hard and you run A BUSINESS!
    No, it’s not a business. It’s just commission-only outside sales, where you’ve signed a contract saying you’re not an employee. But by every other IRS definition you ARE an employee. If it wasn’t for that statement in your contract, you’d be entitled to all the benefits every other Mary Kay employee is receiving, like Health Insurance and a REAL retirement plan.

    Read the section about tithing to her church and tell me that isn’t a truly amazing woman.
    When the money you’re using to tithe was obtained by lying, cheating and stealing, it’s not fit to tithe. Read the section in the bible about Jesus throwing the money-changers out of the temple and get back to me. OK?

  9. Lazy Gardens

    “P.S. How long since you have read Mary Kay’s autobiography? Read the section about tithing to her church and tell me that isn’t a truly amazing woman.” And also read the section where she used the church’s membership rolls as sales leads for her non-church encyclopedia sales. It’s a master class in lying by omission.

    And the section where she talks about her seven marriages was particularly inspiring. SEVEN? Oh yes!!

    In Mary Kay Ash’s 1980 autobiography, “Mary Kay”, her first husband is mentioned in terms of his status as the local rock star, but not by name. Her second, third, fourth and fifth husbands may be mentioned in passing as “my husband”, but they are so blurred together that only information from other sources can identify them. The sixth husband dropped dead at their breakfast table but he’s never identified by name; he’s just another spear carrier in her opera. Her seventh and last husband, Mel Ash, was the public prop for her most successful years as Mary Kay Ash, cosmetics tycoon.

    http://lazygardens.blogspot.com/2015/04/mary-kay-ash-and-missing-marriages.html

  10. Autumn

    The problem with MLM that I first noticed as a 20 something was that you were supposed to recruit your friends. The people buying product from you? UMMMM How’s that supposed to work? I wondered that right off the bat. Then I wondered why people weren’t given territories to sell in.

    Right there was where I stopped and said no, way back in the 1990s. I tried to sell Avon then too, because they were not encouraging me to recruit my competition. Then some bitch called me and yelled at me for leaving her a brochure and samples. 50 something me gets it, but at the time I was pretty upset. She could have been far nicer than she was…

    1. Autumn

      OOPS! Sorry I swore! This is the clean version!

      The problem with MLM that I first noticed as a 20 something was that you were supposed to recruit your friends. The people buying product from you? UMMMM How’s that supposed to work? I wondered that right off the bat. Then I wondered why people weren’t given territories to sell in.

      Right there was where I stopped and said no, way back in the 1990s. I tried to sell Avon then too, because they were not encouraging me to recruit my competition. Then some b—- called me and yelled at me for leaving her a brochure and samples. 50 something me gets it, but at the time I was pretty upset. She could have been far nicer than she was…

  11. Mountaineer95

    “If Mary Kay is as corrupt as you would say then how come more women make $100,000 a year in Mary Kay then any other company in the United State of America?”

    Okay, so let’s ignore the delusional misconception of a statistic you’ve asserted (with no proof, of course) and just attack your logic (ie assuming the statistic is correct). It’s not hard:

    Such as:

    “If NARCOTICS CARTELS (are) as corrupt as you would say then how come more women make $100,000 a year in THE CARTELS then (sic) any other company in COLUMBIA?”

    Even if more women make over 100k in any particular business or industry, that statistic itself doesn’t lend legitimacy to the business. Women being paid six figures cannot, as a stand-alone statistic, guarantee or prove the legitimacy of the company/industry in which they’re earning this amount.

  12. KayNotMary

    “I now am in a unit with an amazing Christian Director”

    Ah, yes, the assumption that christian = more honest, trustworthy, and good. Another poster upthread makes a good point about the christian supremacy mindset. All the director’s crowing about being a christian tells me is that she believes in a particular set of myths and fairy tales, it doesn’t inspire me to trust her more. If anything, I’m probably going to be preached at by this woman and I’m not going to waste my time listening to that. I don’t want religion shoved down my throat, especially if I’m at work.

    “How long since you have read Mary Kay’s autobiography? Read the section about tithing to her church and tell me that isn’t a truly amazing woman.”

    Someone throws money at a church and I’m supposed to be impressed by that? Really?

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