You Made Your Own Choices

It is amusing that women who are so “positive” and “fulfilled” through their Mary Kay Cosmetics experience can hurl such insults and threats at us. Gosh, if we’re so horrible, why do they want to stoop down to our level? Check out the advice for us from this happy and loving Mary Kay consultant…

This site is SICK. At least half the comments are from individuals that are STILL in MK, have been to Seminar, and go to meetings. Are you people really that sick to be involved in something and hate and criticize it at the same time? If you hate it so much (i.e. weren’t successful in MK and are a raving, jealous lunatic) then get a different life (outside of this demented website) and forget about those of us that are successfully helping women who are THANKFUL for an opportunity, any opportunity, that has helped to change their circumstances. My life was changed, and why is that such a problem for you people? Oh, yeah, because you are insane.

Women have commented that they placed huge orders and didn’t sell the products because they were too embarrassed to tell anyone about Mayr Kay. Ok, then you are just a bitter, pathetic dumb a$$ for complaining, and for being “talked into buying it” in the first place. What does that say about you? You didn’t have a mind enough of your own to make your own choices NOT to invest, if you had no intention of doing anything with it to begin with?

Wow. The deranged, maniacal rantings on this evil-breeding site are just one example of the sickness existing in this world today. Ya’ll need to get over all your anger and hatred, and get over YOURSELVES, before one of you finds yourself in a nut house. Seriously.

I was just curious about this site, because I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. Now I am just in shock, but outside of that emotion, completely unaffected by your rantings and evil.

This company has been around for more than 50 years. It is solid. IF they were unethical or a MLM, as you call refer to it in your cybergossip, they would have been shut down. How come you don’t attack Avon, or Tupperware? Other successful Direct Marketing companies? Oh, yeah, because you are evil and any mention of GOD scares the crap out of you, and makes you run like scalded dogs. Or perhaps it’s that you were unsuccessful, and need to place blame somewhere other than on yourselves for your failure in the company. You just keep up the good work – and leave room for those of us who are actually successful.

22 Comments

  1. Neverpink

    Which commenters are still in MK? Aside from the rare hunbot that comes by in the comments, I think most everybody is out! (Or was never in in the first place, like myself).

    Where do you get this assumption from, hunbot?

  2. Maggie

    As someone who has never been in mary kay such as myself I would like to say instead of writing this letter to this site who has saved my 100 dollars from signing up, please rather have mary kay reveal what women make in the company. Because from what I understand they won’t disclose it. Also if your so rich and it changed your life so much please show us at this site or anywhere online how much you made its as easy as that.

    This site is not sick they show us as much proof as possible of what you guys really make. I wish mary kay would show us proof in rebuttal not letters like this because frankly you just prove this site’s point of how you guys really are. Sorry but this is how I really feel I thank God for this site!!!

  3. Maggie

    No I have never been in mary kay myself but I would like to say instead of writing this letter to this site who has saved my 100 dollars from signing up, please rather have mary kay reveal what women make in the company. Because from what I understand they won’t disclose it. Also if your so rich and it changed your life so much please show us at this site or anywhere online how much you made its as easy as that.

    This site is not sick they show us as much proof as possible of what you guys really make. I wish mary kay would show us proof in rebuttal not letters like this because frankly you just prove this site’s point of how you guys really are.

  4. Char

    “…THANKFUL for an opportunity, any opportunity, that has helped to change their circumstances. My life was changed, and why is that such a problem for you people?” – People that join street gangs often feel the same way! Usually doesn’t end too well for them.

    “and leave room for those of us who are actually successful.” – Successful at what? Being a pyramid scheme perp? You don’t even know about FTC rules, do you?

    If anything, this email just reinforces how scary the power of brainwashing can be. Notice how she doesn’t address anything objective. She doesn’t even think MK is MLM. She doesn’t talk math, or FTC and majority end-user retail sales rules. Endless-chain recruiting “opportunities” are pyramid schemes, ya know.

    Delusions run deep here. God doesn’t scare me. Some people who operate on beliefs scare me. There was a time (still is) when whites “believed” they were superior to blacks and bought them as slaves. There was a time when men “believed” they were superior and women couldn’t vote, or drive. (Still is in some places). There was a time when Muslims “believed” they were superior, and there was a time when Christians “believed” they were superior. (We are still living that frightful ridiculousness right now).

    Love all humans, and for the love of Pete stop participating in pyramid scheme fraud which harms others financially.

    But yeah, glad you joining a gang worked out for you. Sadly for you, all we have to do is “watch and wait”. We tried to warn you out of the goodness of our hearts.

  5. BestDecision

    Why, yes, I actually was in MK, drove pink Cadillacs, and wore diamond bar pins. It’s people like you with embarrassing grammar and condescending attitudes that make me so glad I shipped it all back. It wasn’t the lack of belief that success is possible in MK that made me leave. It was the lack of PROBABILITY.

    For example, listen to the recordings of Kathy Helou and Pam Shaw discussing how they seriously considered leaving MK as they came close to NSD. THE NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. Anyone in MK right now has a VERY small chance of ever profiting $100,000/year, fewer to make an executive income, fewer to finish Million, and fewer to make it to NSD. I netted more in my career after leaving MK than I ever did driving a pink Cadillac.

    I actually feel sorry for you. It’s miserable regurgitating what you’re taught to say, and it’s obvious you’re the one who really isn’t thinking for yourself. And that’s a sad story I was embarrassed to show to God.

    Btw, most of us on here absolutely love and worship God. Please stop creating a story in your head about us that is far from the truth.

  6. MSGTK

    Dear Kaybot, please learn to write a coherent sentence. Then, maybe someday you might be able to write a proper letter. You are totally unprofessional! No way would I join MK if this is what women are like! I tried it twice, in two different states. No propensity to buy!

  7. raisinberry

    It kind of makes you wonder how PT is depicted, now, to the masses of IBC’s. We all get that they have to try and discourage internet searches, ’cause they will find us eventually…so we have to be plastered with some kind of evil, soul sucking anti-pink diabolical control over anyone who visits—SO DON’T RISK IT! Pink visitor, we are just an embodiment of you, searching your own doubts! You get that right? There is nothing more sinister than that. Since you can not share your doubts in any fashion, you have no feedback other than pink propaganda. We, are women who had the same doubts, asked the same questions, found the same vacant answers, tired of the same hoopla nonsense disguised as business training, and asked the hard questions.

    Here’s one. Ask your NSD, is the MK game is really all about recruitment and large inventory orders (at *profit level) to build fast and wide in your organization? Act like you get what that means…she will think you get what that means, and seeing you as a savvy mlm marketer, will tell you the truth! YES! Build wide, then build deep…5 red jackets, getting into cars, and then work with their teams!

    Ya get it, visitor? It’s a product based pyramid scheme that has eluded fed government involvement because they (along with the DSA) have funded political campaigns to stay out of it.

    You’re welcome.

  8. Mickey2942

    Avon is exactly the same as Mary Kay, any company that expects a woman to buy products to sell, is the problem.

    If Mary Kay was an ethical company, why do sales woman have to inventory? They should be able to order from a website, under the associate’s number. And if the company cared about the employees, health care coverage would be available for all independent workers. DoTerra has this available for their independent contractors.

    Are you married? Probably. Do you stay home? Probably. Are you taking antidepressant medications? Probably, hoping that a pill will magically change your life.

    Get a real job. And pay attention to your husband for a change. Put as much effort as you give to Mary Kay to your life, it will get better.

    1. Char

      “If Mary Kay was an ethical company, why do sales woman have to inventory? They should be able to order from a website, under the associate’s number. And if the company cared about the employees, health care coverage would be available for all independent workers. DoTerra has this available for their independent contractors.” –

      Please do not be fooled by slight qualification differences and MO’s. Both are MLM-ing models and thus pyramid schemes.

      Snippet credit to BehindMLM for the following:

      “You sign up as doTerra affiliate on a minimum 100 PV a month autoship order ($100?).

      You’re then paid to recruit three others who do the same, with your bonus increasing five-fold if they recruit three autoship affiliates.

      If those three recruit three autoship affiliates each, the Power of 3 Team Bonus increases to six-fold to $1500 a month. And stays there provided everyone pays their monthly autoship fee.

      No retail takes place in this model, with affiliates able to earn a minimum $18,000 annually on autoship recruitment alone.

      This is a problem for obvious reasons, as I suspect the lure of $18,000 through the Power of 3 Team Bonus massively detracts from the retailing of doTerra products.

      To that end doTerra themselves market affiliate autoship as being a ‘convenient way to meet monthly PV and bonus qualification requirements‘.

      In MLM, an affiliate’s sales performance, not how much they spend on products each month should qualify them for commissions and bonuses.

      Otherwise you’re encouraging autoship chain-recruiment, which is unfortunately how I suspect the bulk of doTerra’s sales volume is generated.

      Again, retail is possible but unlikely given there are no retail volume qualifiers anywhere in the doTerra compensation plan.”

  9. MLM Radar

    Today is Labor Day. I’m an employee in a traditional company. Yes, I have a J.O.B. I work at a company where we sell professional services. It’s not a “home-based business” pushing overpriced products in other people’s living rooms.

    I’m spending the morning on my couch in my jammies, web-surfing the Labor Day sales for a new personal laptop computer. I’m looking for a moderately expensive one, because I can afford it with my J.O.B. In about an hour I’ll be heading to the stores in a t-shirt, jeans and flip flops, with no makeup.

    I’ll be driving my almost-new car, which has only a few payments left before it’s all mine. No lease co-pays, and when my very affordable loan is paid off I’ll have no more car payments, for as long as I care to keep it. That could easily be five years.

    My office shut down early on Friday, with best wishes from our employer to enjoy the long weekend. No pressure to create last-minute miracles that amount to 80% of the month’s “production” quota; so long as our contract timelines are on track we’re good. No pressure to cover for other associates who decided to not work all month; at a J.O.B. where we’re compensated fairly for hours worked, our associates show up and actually work.

    On Saturday and Sunday I spent time with my family at a local theme park. Not for one minute did I worry that spending time enjoying my family was taking time away from “working my business”.

    And yes, my net income this year, AFTER taxes and business-related expenses, will be close to six figures (left of the decimal point). I have the tax returns to prove it.

    If your’e in Mary Kay, how did YOU spend the Labor Day weekend?

    1. Coffee Queen

      I was going to comment similar.

      This past weekend, I spent it with the kids, yesterday we had the whole day to get ready for school. Went out to supper and then got family pictures done. Not the most relaxing weekend but it was nice not to have any full on plans. Or schedule.

      When I was in MK, these weekends were full of trying to hustle, training and god forbid I had something else to do on a Monday besides the meeting.

      MK was famous for the guilt tripping. Especially my director. And she didn’t understand the family first, although she preached it, if I wanted to skip a meeting to do something with my family. I was the worst.

  10. MakeupLover

    “and forget about those of us that are successfully helping women who are THANKFUL for an opportunity, any opportunity, that has helped to change their circumstances.”
    Even if a consultant feels thankful for the opportunity, how long will that last the first time she or one of her family becomes seriously ill? The opportunity requires that you work NO MATTER WHAT; otherwise your business flounders. There is no safety net to pay for those doctor visits or medical procedures. Unless you are married and are on your spouse’s medical and life insurance, you are unprotected. Last year I went into kidney failure and now have to do daily dialysis to stay alive. The medical costs are high, but fortunately I have dual insurance through my job and my husband. If I had relied on making Mary Kay a career, my life would have been a disaster! So, Kaybot, think hard about benefits you will never have unless you reach NSD status. Paid vacations, regular bonuses and sick pay, disability insurance, 401K is nothing to sneeze at. I am truly blessed to have a J.O.B.

    1. MLM Radar

      If I discover that I married a wife-beater, should I be thankful that I have a husband?

      If I break my right arm and the surgeon operates on my left arm, should I be thankful that I’m in the hospital?

      If I buy a used computer and my kids discover the previous owner used it to download porn, should I be thankful that I have a computer?

      No?

      Then why should I be thankful that I’m given an opportunity to be financially abused by an endless chain pyramid recruiting scheme company?

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