Your Claims Are Not True

My question for you is, have you yourself had an experience with Mary Kay itself? Actually become a Consultant, really read how it all started and why?

Just because some Directors and/or Consultants are not true to the Companies mission because they think their way of doing the business or that making the money fast even if it means taking advantage of people is the way to go does NOT make any of your claims true. Or are you basing this whole website on people who unfortunately had a terrible experience with the Company?

It is not the company’s fault that people are greedy and care more about themselves than for others. Unfortunately, thats true for any company in this world because, unfortunately, that’s what we’re all raised up to do, especially in America, to be successful no matter what the cost even that of innocent people.

Fine, what the people who have shared their stories had to go through is not right, but neither is wasting your time away bashing on the entire Company when some women actually work hard to make a difference in other womens lives… which in many cases means giving their lives away to make sure that the women they’re leading are indeed changing their lives for the better.

This opportunity DOES work if people are willing to actually work. That’s true for this Company and any other. There are still more testimonials of the positive impact this compact has had on women’s lives then there are negative. And there has been billions of dollars sold in the past 6 years compared to the 3 million returned and I’m certain if the people who returned product had better recruiters or took it into their own hands to find out the truth of things instead of being quitters which is such a common thing to do, they would have probably found something positive about the experience.

I really don’t believe a website like this encourages people, ok, so they feel better that there are people out there that can relate to them and then what? What other place in this world gives women the opportunity to dream and values them for who they truly are? So far I haven’t found another. Just because someone else didn’t know how to paint the full picture (the honest to goodness picture) for them because of their selfishness does NOT make ANY of your claims about the Company as a whole true.

And if you haven’t tried the business and truly been emersed in what we do and stand for than you’re not qualified to state any claims at all. Any other day I wouldn’t have taken the time to even read anything on your site but reading websites like these on a bad day just really hit a nerve, because the day that someone from a site like this is talking about how one company is a ‘fraud’ but they’ve come up with something better which is REALLY impacting women’s lives for the better instead of giving them yet another place online for them to feel sorry about themselves and gossiping about others, then maybe I’ll consider it.

14 Comments

    1. Pink Out

      Wow, just wow! I am not trying to be judgmental here, but holy run-on sentences! We should all be concerned that the recruiting practices of MK seem to be leaning toward the undereducated. Easy targets for the sham dream? Seems so. This poster did not just happen by this site, she took a hot minute to do some research. What she missed is the true and honest and heart wrenching testimonials of actual former MK consultants, and leaders. Reading and critical thinking are lost arts, along with a command of the English language. Shan is right, come back when your MK world falls apart.. it will be sooner than you can dream about that pink Cadillac.

  1. BestDecision

    Lady, I’ll tell you what I quit since you call us “quitters”.

    I quit driving my pink Cadillac.

    I quit giving up weeknights EVERY week to hold unit meetings.

    I quit giving up weekends to hold Business Debuts, skin care classes, facials, Holiday Open Houses, interviews, conference calls, and workshops.

    I quit tracking production and estimating what my commission checks would be.

    I quit hoping I wouldn’t get a chargeback phone call.

    I quit begging people to stay in.

    I quit going to Director meetings, Seminars, and Leadership Conferences and returning home beaten down because I didn’t do enough, pray enough, or do things the way a superstar was doing them.

    I quit believing NSDs were mentally healthy people who deserved credibility when they told me how to handle myself or my business.

    I will stop here because the list is mighty longer, but it’s naive of you and exactly the behavior we talk about on here to accuse us of being quitters who weren’t willing to work. I gave up over a DECADE of my life, sanity, and career to pursue the top in MK. You are barking up the wrong tree.

  2. MLM Radar

    I don’t have to be the willing victim of a con artist to know that he’s a con artist. Especially when I have you, OP, who is so willing to do that for me.

    I’m calling you out on this. Your bullying won’t work here.

    Write us back in about 4 months when you’ve filed your tax return and found out how much money you really made at this con game. Bring your Sechedule C.

    1. Neverpink

      This!

      I don’t need to rub myself in poison ivy to know it’s bad. I don’t need to try meth to know it’s bad. I don’t need to be stabbed or shot to know it’s bad. Likewise, I don’t need to involve myself in a product-based pyramid scheme to know it’s bad.

      The ladies here have posted enough information for those of us having never tried MK to know it’s bad. No huns post their Schedule C’s to back up their income claims. We see begging, praying (preying, really), shaming and lying all over social media.

      Other MLMs have income disclosures that show the vast majority of participants make no money whatsoever.

      So no, hun, we don’t need to experience it to know it’s bad. There’s no way I’m going to give the pink pyramid any of my money for their low-quality, crappy, overpriced products.

  3. Char

    And if you haven’t tried the business and truly been emersed in what we do and stand for than you’re not qualified to state any claims at all.”

    I don’t need to partake in bridge jumping to know the statistics about the certain harm it causes! And, you think the name of the bridge matters? Then you’re the idiot, not me.

    Mary Kay uses the MLMing method, and there is only one definition of that. Jumping off the Mary Kay bridge still produces the same result as any other bridge. Multi-level marketing is the method, like jumping. Lol, I’ll bet you thought MLM was a company or product.

    PinkTruth actually has survivors who are kind enough to post their experiences. This supports the dangers already known and published by experts in MLM. Clearly, you haven’t done much due diligence about the fraudulent activity you are defending.

    P.S. In MLM, you are encouraged to grab people’s hands when “jumping”. That’s disgusting, and it’s going to be a terrible burden to bear when you find out the truth – and you will.

    P.S.S. Unless you’ve spent twenty years researching MLM, I’m far more qualified that you Hun.

  4. NayMKWay

    So many logical errors (in addition to the grammar and spelling ones). So much pink koolaid consumption. Shall we start at the beginning? (Apologies in advance for the long post.)

    “…have you yourself had an experience with Mary Kay itself? Actually become a Consultant…?”

    Have you even bothered to read anything here? If you did, you’d know most of the authors are women who were in Mary Kay for years, and many were very high up in the organization. Hun, God bless you, you know nothing.

    “It is not the company’s fault that people are greedy and care more about themselves than for others.”

    Maybe the character flaws are not the company’s fault, but the fact that they actually encourage their bad behavior certainly is. Plenty of abuses have been reported to MK over the years, with no action taken. The only time Corporate will fire anyone is if it is in their best interest to do so.

    “This opportunity DOES work if people are willing to actually work.”

    No, dear one, it does not. It is set up to extract money from women, not reward them for hard work and dedication. Perhaps you will stop blaming victims when you come to realize you are one yourself.

    “I really don’t believe a website like this encourages people…”

    If you had a friend in an abusive relationship, would you not encourage her to get out? Would you not try to show her she’s not to blame for what is happening to her? Would you not try to offer her help? That’s what this site is all about.

    “What other place in this world gives women the opportunity to dream and values them for who they truly are?”

    Are you kidding? “…opportunity to dream”? You can dream anywhere, so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make with that phrase. As far as valuing women for who they truly are, you are not going to find it in a predatory corporation like Mary Kay. Spend some time in it and you’ll find the only thing your upline values is your credit limit. Do you think you’ve made new lifelong friends in MK? Try telling them you’re thinking of quitting, and see how quickly you’re shunned. You will find your true friends are right here. Believe it or not, we want what’s best for you.

    “Just because someone else didn’t know how to paint the full picture (the honest to goodness picture) for them because of their selfishness does NOT make ANY of your claims about the Company as a whole true.”

    So, now you’re saying there are downsides and pitfalls, but the people sometimes “don’t know how to paint the full picture”? If you ever progress off the bottom level, you will learn that NO ONE would join this company if everyone painted an honest picture. They’re lying. Don’t give them an out by saying they “just didn’t know.” They knew, and they lied. And the company encourages them to continue lying.

    “And if you haven’t tried the business and truly been emersed [sic] in what we do and stand for than you’re not qualified to state any claims at all.”

    The word is “immersed,” hun. And again, if you bothered to read more than a few paragraphs here and there, you would know that they come from many years of full immersion in Mary Kay at many levels. They know whereof they speak, and believe me, you do not. Also, it is not necessary to be immersed in MK to know it is a bad deal. All of the numbers are there, in MK’s own publications. It only takes a bit of reading between the lines in Applause magazine to see the claims about “executive income” are blatantly false. You can find the articles that cover this by entering “Applause” in the Search window.

    I will not copy your last run-on sentence, but if I can decipher it correctly, you’re saying this site should offer something other than criticism? Well, it does. It offers help, support, and advice for confused people in Mary Kay who were promised the Moon and found themselves with a basement full of unsalable dog crap. Where are they supposed to turn? They can’t talk to their directors about it for fear of being labeled negative and forced to hold a rubber chicken (yes, this really happens). Believe it: this site does offer a better way; any direction that leads AWAY from Mary Kay is a better way.

  5. ” there has been billions of dollars sold in the past 6 years compared to the 3 million returned”

    How exactly do you know that $3 million has been returned?

    “that’s what we’re all raised up to do, especially in America, to be successful no matter what the cost even that of innocent people.”

    WTF kind of upbringing did you have? My family raised me with morals and ethics – I really don’t know anyone who was raised any other way.

    “in many cases means giving their lives away”

    Do you realize how brainwashed you sound? (That’s rhetorical – if you’re brainwashed, you have no idea how brainwashed you sound.) Steve Hassan said he was ready to sacrifice his own life for Reverend Moon and the Unification Church… you mean like that?

    “reading websites like these on a bad day just really hit a nerve,”

    Having a bad day? Why so negative? MKult not working out for you? Hit a nerve because it’s true, and it goes against your programming?

    As others have mentioned, come back with your Schedule C, or after you come out of the fog…

  6. enorth

    The OP is apparently unaware that the hottest trend on social media is MLM-bashing. In fact, Pink Truth is mentioned quite often as a reason that women quit their MLM.

    The proverbial “goose” has been cooked.

  7. Lily in NYC

    Lady, you haven’t said anything we haven’t heard a million times before. Yet no one ever replies when we ask specific questions about the math. OP, ask yourself why Mary Kay refuses to put out an income disclosure statement. It’s because 99% of women actually lose money in MK. That’s not conjecture; it’s a fact. So please, come back and let us know how much money you’ve made in the last year. Oh wait, you just joined? What a surprise. Another red jacket who can’t see the forest for the trees. Enjoy your incoming credit card debt!

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