Is Mary Kay All That Bad?

Seriously, is MK all that bad?  I stumbled across your website and am surprised at all the negativity.  I am a firm believer in being in business for yourself and avoiding working at a J.O.B. (Just Over Broke).

Its hard to believe that MK is evil.  By all means bad people do bad things but would being a Beauty Consultant really be a bad thing.

I am in a business that is challenged everyday ethically, morally and legally.  Some people decide to do the wrong thing but convincing a woman to clean her face with MK as opposed to Clinique, is that bad?

Some people are to scared to do what is necessary to succeed in a business that is constantly forcing them out of their comfort zones.  MK is a business and needs to be treated as one.  Manage your time, money and inventory.  Work it like a job and be intentional.

Reviewing how much in commission you make by recruiting other people into MK does not convince me that it is better to recruit than it is to sell.  True MLM or pyramid schemes typically make it better to recruit than to sell.  In MK you make more by selling than by recruiting.  And the love checks are nice but don’t start rolling in until your recruits start selling.  So I don’t see a scheme here. 

Nothing in life comes easy especially when it comes to convining people you have just met to book an appointment to have some one try and sell you cleansers and make up you didn’t know you needed.  I feel that some women go into it with their eyes closed and with unrealistic expectations.  I think women need to study a little about business in general before going into one with MK.  “Everyone should go into the grocery business first before doing anything else, because if you don’t sell what you have the stinking rotten inventory reminds you very quickly that you bought too much.”  I don’t know who said that quote but it is a favorite of mine.

The number one mistake with small business is that they over buy their inventory when they first get started.  This is true with Mary Kay.  That is the only bad thing I have ever seen from MK is convincing new people to buy upwards of $3000 of inventory to start with.  Start small and grow your business as it needs to.

Back to the negativity, I believe negative people tend to attract negative people and positive people attract other positive people.  Your blog sure has its negative attractant on.  Be positive and positive things happen.  I am sure there are horror stories about every door-to-door sales company, work at home business, franchise and network marketing company out there, but I know there are also positive ones.  Business is business, the market takes it toll everyday on those who don’t work their businesses.  9 out of 10 small businesses fail, so why do people think that their first one will be a success.  Plan to start 10 then the odds will favor you.

Just so you know two of my sister-in-laws and my sister joined MK one bought $800 in start up inventory and has been selling $100-$200 a month in product.  The other bought close to $5000 in start up inventory and with in 3 months called it quits.  My sister only got the $200 starter kit.  None of them really should have joined because they are not business minded people but that was their choice.  My wife recruited all of them into MK.  My wife is planning to go into DIQ.  I am not biased either way on Mary Kay, I am a business man and can see opportunity in most things.

Mary Kay works when the consultants work and like wise it fails when they don’t.  That’s business.  I hope you can use your website to help people get over being a MK consultant and get back to working for someone else.  Everybody needs to find their role in life and for some its working for others.  Its not a bad thing, its just who they are.

 

30 Comments

  1. Shay

    Obviously she didn’t read enough of this site.

    oh and


    Its hard to believe that MK is evil. By all means bad people do bad things but would being a Beauty Consultant really be a bad thing.

    I am in a business that is challenged everyday ethically, morally and legally. ”

    Not about you ranter.

  2. Lazy Gardens

    “I am a firm believer in being in business for yourself and avoiding working at a J.O.B. (Just Over Broke). Ask the IBCs from Australia and New Zealand how being in business for themselves worked. They were shut down with no warning at all.

    A MLM participant is a commission-only contracted reseller with a lop-sided contract that gives the MLM company all the power.

  3. BestDecision

    You’re incorrect. We made money when our team/unit BOUGHT product, not sold it. And I never profited more from my retail sales than I did in commissions. Way more!

    If you think we’re negative, you’re right. Our experiences were negative, so why should we not be 100% honest?

    Good luck being the husband of a DIQ. You’re about to get a taste of 24/7 MK with constant pacing, checking production, meeting someone in haste to get her to sign, and last-minute creativity. And then the REAL work begins to maintain her unit IF she finishes DIQ.

  4. Char

    “Reviewing how much in commission you make by recruiting other people into MK does not convince me that it is better to recruit than it is to sell.” – Then why did your wife recruit?

    “In MK you make more by selling than by recruiting.” – Then why did your wife recruit?

    “And the love checks are nice but don’t start rolling in until your recruits start selling. So I don’t see a scheme here.” – You start selling? Or your RECRUITS start ordering? Is your wife a recruit who has started selling under the person who recruited her? Seems your wife is recruiting recruits to start ordering? Since she was recruited, shouldn’t she be the recruit that is selling?

    “That is the only bad thing I have ever seen from MK is convincing new people to buy upwards of $3000 of inventory to start with. Start small and grow your business as it needs to.” – YET and in his own words:

    “Just so you know two of my sister-in-laws and my sister joined MK one bought $800 in start up inventory and has been selling $100-$200 a month in product. The other bought close to $5000 in start up inventory and with in 3 months called it quits. My sister only got the $200 starter kit. None of them really should have joined because they are not business minded people but that was their choice. MY WIFE RECRUITED THEM ALL INTO MARY KAY.”

    (What a scumbag)

    “That is the only bad thing I have ever seen from MK is convincing new people to buy upwards of $3000 of inventory to start with.” – Sorry buddy, but you just admitted your wife is doing that bad thing. And, “My wife is planning to go into DIQ.” – The bad is going to get worse. I guess that’s just who your wife is……willing to dupe family and friends for a buck.

    “I am not biased either way on Mary Kay” – Clearly, because you don’t know which end your a$$ is on. The contradictions I’ve pointed out in my post suggest you are seriously confused; or you’re also an MLMing con artist. Your opening paragraph suggests the latter:

    “I stumbled across your website and am surprised at all the negativity. I am a firm believer in being in business for yourself and avoiding working at a J.O.B. (Just Over Broke). I am in a business that is challenged everyday ethically, morally and legally. ”

    Let me guess, Amway?

    1. NayMKWay

      Well said, Char.

      This guy is so un-self-aware. He lists many of the bad things about Mary Kay that we do. He calls them out as poor business practice. But if we call them out, WE’RE being negative. And it’s OK if his wife does all those same things, because she never puts a gun to anyone’s head.

      Sounds like an Amway guy, all right.

      Maybe he should ask his sister-in-law (the one stuck with thousands in unsold inventory) how she feels about his wife’s way of conducting her business.

  5. raisinberry

    Your a business man and can not see that 3 of your wife’s recruits were family? You can’t see she got INTO DIQ by doing that? You say NONE of them were serious? Are you starting to see the problem? Don’t be surprised if your sister (a 200.00 order is not a starter kit) miraculously activates once again, in another month or so.

  6. NVRMKR

    “Everyone should go into the grocery business first before doing anything else, because if you don’t sell what you have the stinking rotten inventory reminds you very quickly that you bought too much.”

    Naw! My husband had a grocery store his grandfather started around 1930 as a third generation owner. Guess what? The inventory loses were minimal because food/liquor/etc vendors reimbursed him for out of date products. If something didn’t sell, he received a full refund from the distributor. He could also buy better selling products from other companies and distributors (middlemen). This would be like a MK consultant being able to provide those Clinique products her customers prefer! This is a terrible analogy and proves nothing but the ignorance of the OP of business vs MLM models.

  7. morningstar

    Sounds like a control freak! Guess what you go ahead and control your women, and justify whatever. You all are ripping off people period. Thank god I do not have a man like him around anywhere in my life…… Sheesh.

    Also you think you know it all…..goodbye

  8. Neverpink

    “And the love checks are nice but don’t start rolling in until your recruits start selling.”

    Nope, sorry hun. The “love checks” come in one your recruits start BUYING. MK doesn’t track your sales. They only care about how much you ORDER.

    Hence, the scheme.

  9. EyesWideShutNoMore

    Here’s a little grammar tip for you, Mr. Businessman…. your use of its throughout your post is mostly incorrect. You want to use the contraction of it is, which is it’s. This annoying error (along with others) makes you look sloppy and not very articulate, therefore losing your audience. But, that’s usually the type of “positive people” we get here. Can’t write a proper paragraph to save their life but hey, they’ve got positivity going for them! That’s all that matters!

    1. Wasrings90

      J.O.B. or Just Over Broke…. That’s funny – because you see I don’t make a lot of money at my JOB – I get paid the market average for the coat of living in my town. My husband makes a bit above that average at his. Funny thing is that we don’t live Just Over Broke, because we have this strange idea of NOT to live above our means. I don’t need to play keep up with the Joneses…. I don’t want to be house poor ( we have proven once or twice that we can survive if one of us were to lose our job or take a pay cut), I don’t need the latest vehicle, or home decorating trends, designer purse/luggage etc… Don’t get me wrong we have our vices, but we are lucky that we both love our J.O.B. and we don’t live paycheck to paycheck, because we find some much more fun in living within our means and not caring what anyone else thinks about it.

      The dreams MK & all other MLM / pyramid schemes sell are not worth it to me, I fell for it years ago when I was in a bad relationshipand joined Lia Sophia which turned out to be worse than that relationship was….. The negative on this site is nothing compared to actually being in any MLM/pyramid company….

      1. Data Junkie

        Bravo Wasrings90! I totally agree with your perspective, and how it is at direct odds with the unbridled greed at the very core of the MLM motivational message. Here is an abridged quote from Dean VanDruff in his breakthrough analysis of MLM back in the 90s:

        “[Moral Riddle: What is Ever Present but Universally Condemned?]
        While issues of morality and ethics can be tricky to discuss, materialism and greed are universally condemned by every major religion, and even by most of the irreligious. This does not mean people are not materialistic or greedy; in fact, the common caution to not overdo it is strong evidence that we are.

        For most people, this means if we are going to be materialistic or greedy, we would rather not be obvious about it. Thus, Madison Avenue has subtle, highly polished ways of appealing to these vices without being heavy handed. We don’t mind so much… as long as it is “veiled.” This hypocrisy, while sad, is the status quo. So, Madison Avenue is trying to be ever more subtle in appearing not to be manipulating our immoral “bent” towards greed and materialism.

        [A Blatant Appeal to Materialism and Greed]
        Not so with the MLM crowd. Pick up any brochure or videotape for an MLM and you are more than likely to see a cheesy, obvious, and blatant appeal to greed and materialism. This is offensive to everyone, even die-hard materialists. Typical is an appeal to “the American dream.” Usually there will be a mood shot of a large new home, a luxury car, a boat, perhaps a beautiful couple boarding a Lear jet, and so on…

        If you are a materialist, you only have to get over the cheekiness of the presentation. But if you do not wish to promote such ideas, if you consider them sinful, then this puts you at the focal point of a moral dilemma. Do you wish to be a salesperson for materialism?”

        Taken from Section III. Morality and Ethics: A Problem of Greed: http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html

  10. Mountaineer95

    “In MK you make more by selling than by recruiting.”

    Um, no. Sure, maybe you could, but you are pressured to recruit your customers and IF YOU DON’T, YOUR UPLINE WILL BECAUSE YOU’RE NOT “SHARING THE OPPORTUNITY”.

    You don’t have the choice to keep your customers as customers only. Because the MK Way is that everyone is a potential recruit and your customers will be “stolen” right out from under you.

    No customers, no money, honey.

  11. Mountaineer95

    “MK is a business and needs to be treated as one.”

    Yes, Mary Kay CORPORATE is a very successful business. But what the independent sales force considers a business is not in any way the same as MKC. So the sales force “business” should be scrutinized like any other sales business. And when it is, it falls apart. Recruiting paying customers to become your competition is the business model of the sales force. And that makes no sense from any business perspective EXCEPT for that of MKC.

    And once again, for everyone who comes here saying that you only plan on selling and not recruiting, it doesn’t matter what YOU plan to do, because every MK person around you WILL recruit your customers if you don’t.

    So yes, everyone SHOULD treat Mary Kay independent contractors as a business. And when they do, they’ll see that it is a poor business structure doomed to fail.

    1. Mountaineer95

      Sorry, there are just so many gems in this one.

      “Be positive and positive things happen.”

      Yes. And put on blinders and refuse to fact-check numbers and statistics you’re being told about your business opportunity, and money-losing happens. Questioning the veracity and accuracy of what you’re being told about the business is not “negative”. It’s called due diligence.

  12. Tia

    You don’t have a business. Can you advertise and sell however you please? Oh, you can’t? But why not, if it’s your business. Look, Mary Kay has a business. The consultant is their customer. It is your job to recruit more customers. Overbuying inventory is not the make or break of a consultant staying. The fact no one makes money is what causes consultants, aka, customers to leave.
    …I worked at a grocery store and I didn’t equate produce to make-up, especially when I have a sales director telling me how to ‘set myself up for success.’ How one dimensional. You clearly have no idea about economics, how business works, and did not read enough of this “negative” site.

  13. MakeupLover

    J.O.B. Just Over Broke– Speak for yourself? I don’t get it. Mary Kay consultants and Directors have to work so hard to make such little income. I remember being shocked at how little Cadillac Drivers actually net after deducting expenses. My job provides more income than the average Cadillac Driver and gives me paid time off and 401K match. When I had major surgery I was able to receive short term disability. We receive generous bonuses throughout the year and at Christmas. I am extremely blessed. When I tried Mary Kay 15 years ago, I was so stressed. Once you go through your friends and family for customers, you have to hustle to find new faces. Then you have to deal with classes that don’t hold or the shaming you receive if you don’t have a visitor for the training meeting, or Muffins and Makeovers, etc. Even if I had a good week’s sales, it was difficult to replicate or be consistent. MLM’s are a losing proposition. It took this website to open my eyes to the lies we were fed. You learn statistics are made up and dressed to look like facts. I work in accounting and I broke out of the pink fog when I realized so much of the training/teachings did not add up no matter how much I wanted to believe. No amount of positive thinking or “fake it till you make it” was going to produce the revenue I needed to pay my bills. So I got out and now I don’t feel guilty when the weekend comes and I spend it with my family. My time is my own and it feels SO good.

    1. BestDecision

      This is how distorted “success” is in MK: Recognition at unit meetings for $300 weeks. At best, that’s only $120 profit BEFORE taxes. Someone making minimum wage makes more money than that part-time! Yet, we were taught at New Director Education (DIT Week) to romance the heck out of that Consultant like she was a superstar. Celebrate less than minimum wage because it sets her on pace for a Star??

      You brought up so many valid points. I was one of those Cadillac Directors you talked about and was embarrassed to romance moving up when I knew my offspring wouldn’t make good money at all. So glad to be out and have my life back!

  14. Shay

    If I join MK and sign on the dotted line buy inventory and then a week later recruit my friend.. she buys $3,000 products.. do I get a cut of the commission although I just joined?

    1. Lazy Gardens

      “a week later recruit my friend.. she buys $3,000 products” … you get 4% which is $120. Your director gets between $270 to $390 plus possible bonuses for that big order even though you did all the work. People all the way up to your NSD might also get a cut as large or larger than yours. It depends on who recruited who and how many recruits and how much was ordered.

      If you did NOT recruit her, you would only have to sell $240 (full retail price) in makeup to this friend to make $120*. But if you did that, your director would only get $10.80 to $15.60 as her commission on your work.

      You see why your director pushes “sharing the opportunity”. It’s more profitable for HER and she doesn’t care about what it does to you.

      *before expenses. this is not “profit”!

      1. Data Junkie

        And equally as important: very little is sold to the general public. Of the amount that does sell to the general public , only a tiny fraction is at full retail. The reps buy nearly all the inventory. This means recruiting is the only realistic means of moving product. Systems like this cannot be profitable for any down-line, no matter where you “start”. Here is a model showing why:

        https://www.reddit.com/r/antiMLM/comments/d3rpcb/geometric_growth_is_impossible_in_mlm/

        Also, FTC research shows that 99.6% of MLM reps on average lose money. This means that for every rep that breaks even or makes a profit (no matter how tiny the profit), 249 more reps MUST lose money. This is a mathematical certainty, or the loss rate wold be something other than 99.6%. You can see the math here:

        https://www.reddit.com/r/antiMLM/comments/go3t5d/get_busy/

        All this talk about overrides, bonuses, commissions, cars, seminar, jewelry, red jackets…is all a distraction from the reality that no down-line can be profitable as a whole. Any profit made comes from losses below. The bigger the profit, the bigger the down-line losses.

        Contrast this with a traditional company, where every single employee makes positive income.

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