They Mock Us in Mary Kay

Sales director Jamie Taylor reads Pink Truth. And she sees the eye rolls and how we mock her for calling it a career. Yep! Scamming women into an “opportunity” in which they’re almost guaranteed to lose money is not a career. But Jamie is happy because she makes money!

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  1. MSgtK

    1.) Very professional attire that is becoming to her. ROFL! No matching, looks like 5 year old pretend dress up.
    2.) Sales is a pressure cooker, no matter what you are selling. If you are doing it for a REAL living.
    3.) I can post online that I am anything but to prove it is another thing. Show me Proof! Talk is super cheap.

  2. The Patient Whisperer

    If she really felt “0% defensiveness,” didn’t “cringe” or have “knots in her stomach” over what she reads, her post wouldn’t exist in the first place.

    Who are you trying to convince, Jamie: us or yourself?

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  3. Pinkiu

    She’s a cute girl doing her thing in IG. Maybe she’s thinking down the road about plan B, being an influencer like Dacia.

    If she reads here, she knows the writing is on the wall and that there will come a time when she flames out because she just doesn’t have it in her to manipulate another woman into a $3600 wholesale order, when she sees a woman with an empty fridge, hungry kids, but boxes of product. She’ll see her recruiting numbers and orders slide and her car co-pay will skyrocket. She’ll see that she doesn’t make money on actually selling product but on recruiting women to make big wholesale orders. Someday, she’ll realize that the actual customer is the recruit. AND THEN…she’ll come here again to read how to get out.

    Jamie, we are here for you too. When the day comes, you’ll sign up under a different name and be anonymous. That’s ok. Many of us here were angry at first too. What would be brave though is to say your name and tell your i-story of getting out. And then share it with your team so that they can get out too.

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    1. Destiny Angel

      There’s hundreds of cute girls doing their thing on IG. Jamie doesn’t appear to have any kind of personal quirk which makes her more interesting than any of those.

      Unless she’s hoping to drag her down-line with her, she’s going to be fighting for a very small share of an increasingly diminishing spotlight.

  4. Char

    I agree with Tracy that it’s not a career the way our brains tend to think of the word “career”. Career usually has a positive connotation, as in, respectable and admired for the right reasons.

    But, have you ever heard of a career hit man? Career con man? A career prosperity televangelist like Jim Bakker? I have, and the “successful” MLMing women like Jamie are career liars. Why? You cannot successfully endless-chain recruit without lying about the fake product reselling “opportunity” where 99% of those opportunists under you lose money.

    Jamie writes, “They mock us for calling it a career at all. Even though I pay taxes and bills just like they do with their career income.”

    What’s your point Jamie? The IRS wants thieves and drug dealers, etc. to pay taxes on their gains too! And I’m sure if they didn’t pay their electric bill, it would be turned off. It’s a good thing you do pay your taxes – unlike Al Capone who didn’t. They finally got him convicted of “tax evasion” i.e., for not paying taxes on his illegal and profitable activities. Whether or not you pay taxes is irrelevant to the act you are committing. Not paying taxes just opens you up to two different crimes. Kapeesh?

    And how many times do we have to point this out? If you have a $0 co-pay, that’s because you were successful at scamming enough women out of their money so YOU can drive the car. Not cool, and frankly disgusting. Think of all those poor single moms who spent their food money on a bunch of unneeded makeup just so you can drive a pink jalopy.

    1. TRACY

      Tracy has a career as a fraud investigator. She provides services to willing clients, at an honest price.

      Jamie participates in a scam. She deceptively lures in women with false claims and promises, and she is paid by the leader of the scam (MK Inc.) for doing so.

      See the difference, Jamie?

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      1. Char

        I recently saw a reddit post about putting MLMer on a resume. Here’s what a real employer thinks of her so-called “career”:

        “Am I being too harsh? As an employer, if I see someone put a MLM “job” on their resume (and they usually add their ridiculous rank as their title), it’s an automatic “no” pile. I feel that putting MLM “experience” on there shows that the candidate makes poor decisions and also, they obviously haven’t learned how poor of a decision they made if they put it on a resume. In addition, IMO, MLM’s provide no valuable training and I don’t want to risk hiring someone who may still be enticed by a MLM and try to bring that crap in my company. Your thoughts?“

        https://www.reddit.com/r/antiMLM/comments/igx9d5/mlm_on_resume/

        Some comments go on to explain that gaps on a resume are also not desirable. Participants better think twice before investing their time in a scam like Mary Kay if they want to be hired in the future. After spending all their money on Mary Kay crap, unless independently wealthy, they’re going to need a job. It’s a real concern to think about.

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          1. coralrose

            I don’t know. I think that’s a bit harsh. For one thing, the sales pitch has been crafted carefully over many decades & they know exactly what strings to pull to get people to join. Like someone else mentioned, large gaps on resumes aren’t desirable either, so it really puts someone in a bad place.

            There are skills used in MLMs that can be transferred to other jobs, like time management, sales, organizational skills, communication skills, the ability to focus on/ work toward goals. At the same time, I understand that the job market is incredibly tight right now.

            Yes MLMs are bad and predatory and I won’t be joining one, but I sometimes think people can be too harsh on MLMers.

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            1. TRACY

              I’m going to do a front page post on this issue next week. A gap in a resume (explained by family obligations?) is much better than MLM on the resume. The general public thinks MLM is a joke. The “skills you learned” while in MLM will not outweigh the massive negative perception of MLM. Just my opinion.

              1. Lazy Gardens

                If the person bluntly admitted they learned some skills applicable to business and also learned that MLMs are not legitimate businesses, which is why they quit and are looking for a real job … would that do?

                And if you say “Family Obligations” to explain the gap and there you are in your “gap years” on someone else’s Facebook page as MLM superstar of the month? You are an MLMer and a liar.

                1. TRACY

                  I don’t think they make the cut at the resume submission stage to even get to explain it.

                  And if someone dug up a FB post of you in an MLM, I would say yes I tried MLM as I thought it would give me flexibility while tending to my family. How many MLMers think they’re doing MLM “for their family”? I bet most do.

                  At least if you’ve gotten to the interview (or later) stage, you’d have an opportunity to downplay it. Now if you were an Amie Gamboian, for example, you can’t downplay it and you’d have to figure something else out all together for how to address it. I don’t care about those people, however.

            2. Mountaineer95

              I worked for awhile as a recruiter, where I looked through thousands of resumes. This was a decade ago. Even then, I disregarded any resume with substantial MLM experience. The reason (mostly) was that the experience showed that the candidate had so little knowledge of basic business principles that he/she willingly spent a ton of money and time in a venture that only proves successful for a tiny percentage of those who try it.

              In other words, any candidate that is gullible enough to fall prey to an MLM does not have the business sense needed for whatever position. And before you talk about those who actually do excel in MLM and ask how I can rule them out, you need to remember that IF the MLM position is truly successful, the person would stay with it and not look for another job. Thus it can be assumed that a former MLM-Er who wants to gain new and different employment is NOT one of the few MLM success stories. If so, they’d stay put, keep killing it, and retire with their MLM.

              1. NayMKWay

                “If so, they’d stay put, keep killing it, and retire with their MLM.”

                Well, unless they were with MK and happened to live in Australia or New Zealand. But seriously, I’d reject even anyone who was successful in MLM because I’d question their business ethics. We all know the only way to succeed in MLM is by exploiting others. Perhaps I’d give them a chance to come in and express regret, but if they instead bragged about their successful “business,” they would not get any consideration from me.

    1. The Patient Whisperer

      Exactly! That’s what I thought too. For not being bothered by something, as she claims, she sure spent an inordinate amount of time in bringing it up in the first place and discussing it. If it was on her mind enough that she needed to craft an entire post about it, I promise you she is feeling every. single. thing. she claims she isn’t. Her post struck me as an attempt at self-affirmation…and came across as trying to convince herself of those things more so than anyone else.

  5. NayMKWay

    Jamie’s “I pay taxes” line made me chuckle, because that was what Mafia boss Frank Costello came up with at the Kefauver hearings on organized crime in 1951. Here’s a short clip:

    https://youtu.be/PnFq7Fc00lE

    When challenged to point to something in his life that was to his credit as an American citizen, he thought for a moment and said, “I pay my tax.” The response was derisive laughter. (I’m sure there were plenty of eye rolls, too, but they were off-camera.)

    Jamie’s lack of self-awareness is on full display when she flaunts her growing savings account, but later tells her followers to ignore their own withering ones. Which is it, Jamie? If your downline should ignore what their bank account numbers say, why are you bragging about your numbers?

    Making money and paying taxes don’t make you a good citizen, Jamie. Even Frank Costello did that.

  6. Cindylu

    Yes. How do you account for those years in a mlm on a Resume? Wikipedia defines MK as a mlm. I was always horribly embarrassed by schlepping those pink trays and products into people’s homes. I was never comfortable going into the homes of strangers. Offering the opportunity to others was awkward and unpleasant. It was difficult to pretend that others could be successful when my SD and many others were failing.

    1. BestDecision

      I didn’t leave a gap on my resume, but I didn’t type “MK” on it, either. It makes it incredibly hard to return to real careers after MK, and it was awkward avoiding questions about what all I had been doing. I still don’t know how to best describe those years, but I’m lucky to be in a position I don’t need to worry about explaining anytime soon.

      1. Coffee Queen

        I left a gap and did not put MK on my resume, however, I did put on Public Speaking skills, time management and organization (things that my MLM taught me and made me more comfortable with). Thankfully, I also had volunteer experience in this as well.

        When people asked about my gap in work, I stated family obligations. and left it at that.

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