You Are Hypocrites

I have been a consultant for 8 years and I’ve seen good and bad. The thing that upsets me most is that you are all pointing the finger at the company. This is a great company with a few Independent Contractors that lack integrity. I have seen this company revoke directorship and cars from consultants for the very issues stated in this blog.

My head is not in the clouds because some of your points are true but here is what I look at. I have recruited several people into this business and I worked diligently with them based on the goals that they have shared with me. I for one have had to check myself and even a few sister consultants when on strong goals for being over zealous and attempting to make my personal goals the goals of every individual in on my team. It’s my goal not theirs so I work from that perspective and do the extra work required to meet the goal rather than raping my consultants. I truly would rather have a qualified consultant who I could mold into a building a strong part time business than to have a star that only shines once (the initial order). I do not and have never recruited personal use consultants Yes it is wonderful to get a star consultant but I have learned to work with what I get and to match my time with the effort demonstrated to me by each individual consultant on my team.

I too have placed an order to help with a goal and had an excess of product but I also went out there and sold it. I took three years off and had do write some off due to spoilage. It’s a tax deduction (if you get those done by a quality, knowledgeable, and professional accountant).

You all need to take personal responsibility for the roles you play in your own deception. You know what you can and can not afford to do and even though you are a part of a team commit only to what you can do or are willing to work towards – The HELL with the rest. This is not a get rich quick thing although some do. 3 year is the current record for NSD and she’s a senior now. You can’t do that with fictitious people or units and even if there are a few in her area Koodos to those who go out and replace them with real people although I am not condoning this.

This business works if you work it. But you can not sit back and do nothing and then complain about having excess inventory. I know I used to do it. It’s a lack of consistency. You have a great week and place an order then do nothing for weeks and realize you have hundreds of dollars in product sitting around. The one thing I can say that I appreciate about my inconsistency was that when $$$ got tight I learned how to fast forward into some IPA’s and make it happen. I sat in money management classes in my first 2 weeks of this company although I did not follow it until here recently.

In January of this year I really decided to get serious. I then lost my job on February 22nd. I was living paycheck to paycheck temping but had given my all to this project and corporate decided that I was no longer needed. It has been a blessing though. I have not missed a bill payment and now I have $$$ in the bank when I did not before and most of all my integrity is still in tact.

I’ve been in DIQ before so I know the deal. I have never had a personal use consultant and never used family or friends as bodies to reach a goal because you only end up working twice as hard to replace fictitious people. Of the 15 people that I have brought into this business over the last 8 years (as I toyed with the idea of doing MK) 3 are full-time directors doing well for themselves and several others are still QUALITY consultants. I took 3 years off and never missed a commission check. I stayed active as much as I could and I even fell off a time or two. Can’t be that bad of a company seams like it’s always there when the seasons of my life seem to change. Have you stopped to consider how much of this money goes to corporate for education and training, charity, corporate overhead??? No you didn’t. At least as you are building to these cars you are taking someone along with you. Yeah if you are a quality consultant your team members or at least 1/3 of them are 1 step closer to their car as well.

I am new to this site and I have read your blog I have also read many others and even the MK facts about the business opportunity, the not so free car’s etc. Nothing in life is free!!!!!! And if you work a sales position as your 9 to 5 there are goals and quotas if you continue to miss them you are demoted and may even loose your job. The company gains most of the profits and recognition while you work 60 hours a week for a crumb of a commission check $60k annually and benefits if it’s a “good company”. This is the nature of business period. It’s all about the profits from church to Wall Street. In all corporations there is a song and dance about the bonuses and benefits but you work like a slave are treated like one but seem to be happy one pay check away from eviction.

Yes from qualification $161,000 in wholesale is produced to get and maintain the first car. How many of you complaining about this or even those earning them can actually afford to go into the dealership and purchase one and then get a new one every two years. More than likely none of you can. Else you would not have signed your agreement in the first place nor would you be back teaching a group of aggravating 8th graders. I have kids myself …. You can’t be that happy.

To those of you who failed after supposedly being directors, I hear your heart but again personal responsibility is a MOTHER!!!!! You either lacked integrity from the beginning or allowed someone to influence the quality of you integrity. You then followed it up by building a team of people lacking integrity. Then when your conscience could no longer take you stepped down and threw daggers at the company you once swore by. Unlike the other’s I would venture to say “YOU SUCK as a LEADER” You lied, built a lie and expected it to stand. Not someone I would want to meet or follow. Now I am not saying that what you did doesn’t happen because it does THIS IS NOT PROMOTED OR SUPPORTED BY THE COMPANY!!!!! For those that work to replace those fictitious consultants and keep their position I take my hat off their “by any means necessary” attitude because at least they did the work and fixed the lie. I still do not agree with this and would never do it. You just walk away with the dreams of many in your hands. SUCKS TO BE YOU!!!!!!!! And any one like you.

This is the sickest “AMEN” corner I have ever encountered. You all are mad and the company, a corporation for the actions of a few bad leaders. You don’t realize by participating and going along with “the program” and do not stopping to say “I will not be a part of this madness” and make your own way not being scared to walk alone or search for someone not in your area who you can partner with and build integrity then you too are contributing to the madness. You group of HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!! I guess none of you stopped and made a formal complaint about the lack of integrity you have noticed and named names so that something could be done, No you just got what you wanted and now you use this plat form to point fingers. SAD!!!!!!!!!

I have made complaints and just recently encouraged a sister consultant to make a formal complaint about her director who recently stated she was “out of order” for trying to finish DIQ with Cadillac production because she as her director was struggling to keep her Cadillac. This is not GO GIVE at all. I am a Red Jacket with not 1, or 2 but 3 sales directors in my line. One is a senior director and I do not feel bad about any of it. My time is now!!!!!!!

If this was any 9 to 5 you would not have wasted your time on establishing or supporting a site like this. If you are mad take it up first with yourself. PERSONAL RESPONCIBILITY!!!!!!! (There she goes again) Then with those who offended you and participated in making this experience a bitter one for you. Please in honor of Mary Kay the woman do not destroy the dream that has brought so much more and is still bringing true sisterhood, peace, financial security and much more to women of all ages, from various backgrounds and ethnicities. If you read the agreement and legal advice available and then you do or allow someone to influence you to do something other than that TAKE THE RESPONCIBILITY FOR IT. Don’t blame the company for your weak back bone and innate lack of integrity.

There is so much more that I could say but it is not worth it. My paycheck and integrity speaks for itself and my baby has not wanted for anything I am traveling this summer and I have more $$$ in the bank than I’ve had in 5 years thanks to my $500, $900 and $1000 weeks. My money management classes (that I took 8 years ago in my first two weeks of the company – actually the information was in my directors welcome package) are going to work for me and for the things I do not know or understand I ask for help both of corporate and my up-line. With the price of gas I schedule my appointments in a manner that is cost effective or give gifts for clients that meet in my home. There goes your BS about the $300.00 week. All businesses have expenses and overhead. I just enjoy the fact that it al revolves around my home and my values. I still only fill my tank up 1 a week and I gross my corporate income and more just 3 months serious. As far as events people most of us come into this company when we have a pre-exsisting job and do not go full time before our MK salary allows for that. I too am an exception to that. Being a professional job hopper THANK GOD FOR MARY KAY, the woman and the company

I would just hope that any potential consultants reading this as they make a decision would realize this is an INDEPENDENT venture. YOU and YOU only can write the script for your business. Peer pressure is on hand at every aspect of life. Do not allow these women who obviously lack more than integrity write you Mary Kay paycheck or stop you from even needing an account.

28 Comments

  1. Samantha

    Included in this email: Poor grammar and varying tones, not to mention contradiction.

    Not included in this email: Proof.

    Waiter, I’ll have a dish of pudding, hold the proof. Can’t let reality get in the way of bee-lieving!

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  2. Wasrings90

    I work at a small insurance office, we have many people on our books who buy a new car every year. None of them work for a MLM, no they do not lease them, yes when they call every Aug/Sept it’s the newest of the new models this year it will be a 2022 model year vehicle. The one lady we have who sells for a MLM always pays late, has to have her policies reinstated is always playing the I might be able to pay this much of it next week depending on what my commissions are… This past year for her has been really bad…. She has even stated she is struggling because people aren’t doing parties at all or buying anything and has lost some team members.

    The other thing is if you don’t have a consistent income coming in, it’s almost impossible to set up any type of a budget or money management system despite having taken some classes about it.

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  3. Juliet

    WOWOWOWSA!!!!!!!!! Wow what a good little minion!!!! OMG!!!!!!!
    ——-The thing that upsets me most is that you are all pointing the finger at the company.—–

    Lordy Lordy do not let your fatuousness be spread around, Pink Bubble Bobblehead —- you may already have belonged to or will join any con that comes down the pike, but wow, if you let your complete lack of judgement and perspicacity become legend, as it should be, cause wowowwowow, well you will have a fulltime job just cataloguing every scam you have sold your soul to. wowl

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    1. Juliet

      I am replying to myself cause I am requesting a special addition to the comments options –

      Please add:
      “BANGING MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL IN —BEYOND—- DISBELIEF AT WHAT KBOTS INSIST ON PROVIDING IN WRITING AS PROOF OF THE VALIDITY OF MLMS”
      emoticon lololol

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  4. Kristen

    “RESPONCIBILITY!!!!!!“

    This creative spelling destroys any credibility I might have given to this attempt at defending Mary Kay. But she still relies on the same tired old “you didn’t work hard enough” accusation.

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    1. Mountaineer95

      And funny isn’t it that she made no mention of why her DIQ failed. So apparently she too “didn’t work hard enough” at least during that time. But she glosses right over it, never once mentioning (in her otherwise super-long email) exactly WHY or how she failed in DIQ. Maybe it’s because she refuses to sign up any fake or personal use consultants, and/or she just has too much integrity to do what’s needed to reach directorship.

  5. BestDecision

    I just can’t. Yelling from someone that’s recruited an average of 2/year to FORMER DIRECTORS that recruited hundreds.

    One thing I was taught in MK that has actually stuck is to not take advice or criticism from someone who is not where I want to be. Or that hasn’t been in my shoes. The reason your honest soul hasn’t recruited more than 15 people in 8 years is exactly why you’re not making “executive income” that someone sold you on. It doesn’t work!

    I have to stop there. I just can’t deal with her ridiculous attitude.

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    1. Wasrings90

      I found that line funny, I don’t have kids so umm what’s your argument towards someone that doesn’t have kids…

      You don’t have kids so you will never understand my unhappiness?!…

      #1 having a little human to care for isn’t everyone’s dream.

      #2 Unhappiness and joy come to everyone in different forms. I know many parents who adore their kids and I know quite a few that resent having had them and then there’s who wished they would’ve had the chance to have them.

      Life is different for all of us, what’s not different tho is how MLM’s are pyramid schemes that scam about 99.9% of unsuspecting women out of more income than they will ever make by trying to sell it or recruit people to try to sell it.

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      1. Mountaineer95

        I am one of those who chooses to not have little humans. Fortunately my fiancé is the same. While it’s not the norm, it works for us. One positive for us is that raising humans costs a lot of money, so are retirement goals are much easier to hit (I’m basically “retired” and he should be able to in a few years. I do plan on helping with college costs for a few of my close friends’ kids, if they need it. I also have a hereditary disease that I could have passed on to little humans so there’s that.

    2. Toast

      I took this to be a dig at teachers, she’s saying that she has children so she “knows” that being around children all day won’t make anyone happy. Especially when she said that bit about 8th graders in the previous line.

  6. Lazy Gardens

    Well, I’m sure you would have no problems proving this: ” I have more $$$ in the bank than I’ve had in 5 years thanks to my $500, $900 and $1000 weeks.” The Schedule C from your tax returns would do.

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  7. pinklobster

    Oh my! I was unaware that we changed the spelling of “responsibility” (literally, my phone spelled this correctly for me).

    Anyway, congrats on your money management classes. Funfact: when I was in MK, despite working my tail off like a hamster running on a never-ending wheel, anxiety ridden and never sleeping without worrying about next week/month/etc, I LOST money. How do you manage negative money? Even when it appeared I made something, I didn’t. My accountant was VERY frank with me on that. And he warned that MK in particular is scrutinized because y’all try to write off stuff you shouldn’t.

    I lost A LOT of money, and, tell me about how you “sold” your extra inventory because, in my experience (and many others), no one wants MK. It’s crap. You can buy the same stuff at Walgreens. And as a (now) holistic practitioner & clinical nutritionist, I can tell you their products are full of carcinogenic garbage that no one should put on their skin. I’ve had to apologize to people for pushing it.

    Sorry to burst your pink bubble here. One day you’ll be apologizing to people too. If even just for subjecting them to crappy products and that awful red jacket. (I wore one too, I’m embarrassed to say)

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    1. Char

      If may add: a Schedule C showing the majority of profit is made reselling product to non-affiliates. Anything else will only prove to be an endless-chain recruiter for a product-based pyramid scheme – aka a profitable pyramid schemer.

      1. Mountaineer95

        Great point. I’d love to see proof from any one of our favorite NSDs that the majority of their earnings is based on actual sales to non-consultant consumers. Oh, the lolz!

  8. MakeUpLover

    Wow! Talk about being pretentious! Fifteen years ago I thought seriously about replacing my income with MK. It looked like a dream career to play with makeup and have girlfriend fun. It did not take long for me to realize that to make the money I needed I would have to sell $1000 every week! But I was having difficulty finding enough people to hold classes and then the costs added up. Seminar, Career Conference, meeting donation, gas, credit card interest. Not to mention the many product changes. I figured out quickly that the Company stacks the deck against you. It is impossible to make a decent income including what you would pay for medical, dental, and vision. Not to forget paid vacations and 401k savings. Currently I am blessed with a wonderful job doing what I am good at-accounting and payroll. At Christmas we get substantial bonuses in the 5 figures. It is sad that you think that a J-O-B is for losers. I’m proud to work with flexible FT hours with paid benefits and 401K. At the end of the day, I can leave my work at work. My hubby is a salesperson who sold over $1M in product last year. His training and travel expenses are always paid by the company. He is well compensated. Why doesn’t Mary Kay Corporate pay the expenses for Career Conference and Seminar? You think they would for those who performed well. Mary Kay leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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  9. Heather

    My dear, lack of integrity is what my senior SD had. Yet she’s held on a pedestal by MK corporate because of who and what she is (an attorney). You speak of integrity, yet I have a feeling you do not understand what that means. You, my dear, are likely a delusional fool who doesn’t understand that water is wet.

    Take your 15 recruits in 5 years — 8 years in minus the 3 you “took off.” That is 3 recruits a year. THREE. How much commission is that really? Where is your Schedule C? I’ll wait… while I collect my hefty bonus (found out about it this week) and leave my work at work this weekend.

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  10. Destiny Angel

    I am new to this site and I have read your blog I have also read many others and even the MK facts about the business opportunity, the not so free car’s etc. Nothing in life is free!!!!!!

    When my late husband started his last job, he was entitled to a company car. The lease, CAA and the insurance was paid for by the company he worked for. Gas, maintenance and winter/summer tires went on his company credit card.

    Later, when the company stopped that policy, he was given a generous lump sum to help purchase a suitable vehicle. We were encouraged to take out insurance through the same company which insured the company’s motor fleet. Doing that gave us a cheaper price for both of our cars while still getting a good level of protection. The company still paid all of his work related gas bills.

    1. NayMKWay

      Welcome to the site, Destiny Angel. I’m relatively new myself.

      You have hit upon the crux of the matter when it comes to the Mary Kay car. In a real company, they pay for the car. It costs the company something to put you in a car. It costs Mary Kay nothing to provide their “free” car. The IBC is taking on a car lease, which Mary Kay Inc pays out of the consultant’s commission (unless the consultant doesn’t make the numbers, in which case they have to cough up a co-pay that can exceed the cost of the lease!).

      That car is a rolling advertisement for—guess what?—Mary Kay the company, not for the consultant. That car isn’t going to cause anyone to walk up to the driver and ask about buying make-up, except in the most unusual circumstance imaginable. No, the car is an enticement for others to join Mary Kay and try to get their own “free” car. (It’s also to make other consultants jealous, but nevermind.)

      And who are those starry-eyed suckers to the driver of that pink monstrosity? Their future competition, that’s who.

      Join Mary Kay, work your tail off, get a car that you have to pay for, and drive it around to entice your own competition to take away some of your sales. What a wonderful company!

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  11. Mountaineer95

    You say “the business works when you work it” but you don’t define what “working it” means. Perhaps I can help jog your memory:

    …you posted THIS: “I too have placed an order to help with a goal and had an excess of product”

    Really? You’ve placed an order with the sole intention of meeting a goal, AND you’ve had excessive amounts of product. You do understand that these are not wise behaviors to undertake when actually running “your own business”, right?

    You sound like a MLM failure who keeps signing up for various scams in the hope of somehow getting in early and thus “making” your way atop the pile. Unfortunately for you, you lack the skills to get anywhere near the top of the heap in any MLM, or any other business.

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