When I first started Mary Kay, oh so long ago, I bought into the hype. I heard about inventory, was told I NEEDED it in order to be successful, so I bought a bunch. After all, who in their right mind starts Mary Kay with the intent to fail? We all start with the intent to succeed, and if that’s what we NEED, then we’ll do it!

Back then, I was given a sheet from my sales director that outlined how many classes per week you needed to earn so much, how much the supposed average sales per class were, how much the supposed average reorders were… Little did I know, all of that was total fiction. Made up.

These days, Mary Kay Inc. has an inventory worksheet to fill out. I read the sheet, and realize that just about everyone “needs” $2,400 or $3,600. Heck... You even give yourself extra points on your worksheet if you plan to attend weekly “success meetings”. What? You need more inventory because you’re going to waste your Monday nights at rah-rah sessions?

Give yourself more points depending upon how many appointments you’re going to hold each week. Don’t forget that you’ve been lied to about how long an appointment will take, and you don’t yet realize that no one wants to have classes. No big deal. If you don’t know these things right away, you’ll give yourself a zillion points and you’ll “need” more inventory.

Now look at the “goals” toward the bottom. I think a lot of women get involved in Mary Kay and have those goals up front, because they have no idea what it will take to get there. (i.e. They’ve been mislead in the recruiting process like 95% of the recruits are.) But if they have those goals… voila!… they automatically have 8 points and “need” $1,800 wholesale.

So what do I wish I would have known then?

  • All the guidelines about how much inventory you “need” are inflated. No, Mary Kay Cosmetics and your sales director are not looking out for YOUR best interest. They are looking out for their own, and that means pushing you to buy as much as possible.
  • $600 is the magic number for inventory, and will the be the lowest option that your recruiter offers to you. This is because the contests run by Mary Kay Cosmetics all depend upon “qualified” recruits, and qualified means that they have ordered at least $600 wholesale.
  • The company changes the products on a regular basis. Products are discontinued, formulations are changed, and packaging is changed. They do anything they can to change the product so that yours is outdated and no longer listed in the catalogs (and therefore harder to sell). You’ll need to “invest” in the new products because that’s what’s in the catalog.
  • Your sales director will try to convince you to stock inventory because women won’t buy if you don’t have it on hand. That is not true. Those who have inventory do not get significantly higher sales. They might have a few extra items sold here and there because they have it on hand, but it’s not enough to justify sticking thousands of dollars into inventory.
  • Your sales director will try to convince you to stock inventory because it will cost you $9(ish) for shipping each time you order from the company. It is not that big of a deal. Even if you placed an order with Mary Kay Inc. every single week, in a year you would spend less than $500 on shipping. That is still less than the interest on a credit card or loan. Do you want a few thousand dollars out of your pocket and into inventory, or would you rather pay a little shipping fee when you need something? Oh, and they always forget to tell you that even if you have inventory, someone always seems to order something you don’t have on hand. You need to place and order and pay shipping for that too. So why not avoid inventory and order on an as-neeeded basis so you don’t get stuck with any outdated products?
  • In order to receive your products at wholesale (50% discount off suggested retail), you must be “active”. Active status is achieved in the month you place a minimum $200 wholesale order (A1) and the following 2 months (A2 and A3). Example: You order $200 wholesale on April 6. You are considered active in April, May, and June. After June, you must place another minimum $200 wholesale order to receive your discount.
  • The lure of  "free products" when you first sign up is available during your first AND second month as a consultant. Sales directors try to get you to purchase an inventory package of $600 wholesale or more during your first month in order to get product bonuses from Mary Kay Inc. Those bonuses are available when you make an inventory purchase in month one or two. Example: You sign up on September 20. If you purchase an inventory package of $600 wholesale or more in September or October, you can receive free products. If you wait unitl November, you will not receive free products, no matter how much you purchase.
  • You can use Mary Kay’s product repurchase” option at ANY TIME. Mary Kay will buy back from you an amount of products equal to your wholesale purchases from them for the last 12 months. (Many recruiters and directors will lead you to believe that the repurchase option is available ONLY in your FIRST 12 months with the company. This is not true. It can be done at any time.)
  • In the U.S., the amount you receive back for your products in the product repurchase will be based upon the most recent wholesale price of the products, which could be lower than what you paid for them. Example: You purchased a limited edition item for $10 wholesale. Mary Kay has put it on the “pink sale” at a reduced price of $7 wholesale. You will only get credit for a return of $7 wholesale. (Some consultants have successfully gotten their actual purchase price back on items that went pink sale, however, by providing copies of their purchase receipts.)
  • Limited edition items almost never “run out”. If they do, it is only because the sales directors scared everyone into thinking they’d run out, so everyone bought more than they needed. This tactic is often used on the Christmas items. Sales directors want you to buy, buy, buy to help pump up their commission checks. The bottom line is that limited edition products do not sell as well as they’d have you believe. And if MK really does run out, you'll be able to find plenty of limited edition products on ebay!

Oh, how I know that the Kaybots are seething because we’re telling their potential recruits about this. They are able to frontload much more when the whole story isn’t out there!

Comments (99)
  • Lazy Gardens

    [quote]The amount you receive back for your products in the product repurchase will be based upon the most recent wholesale price of the products, which could be lower than what you paid for them.[/quote]

    What if you have the receipts showing the price you actually paid? I thought the wording was "90% of the price you paid" with the "or last discounted price" as a backup for women who did not keep their receipts.

    Although if you are sending back a 3-year old platinum package ... take what you can get for it,.

  • Post_It_Note_Dutchess

    I was shocked by the bookcase picture you used Tracy. Whatever happened to those 3 book shelve units full of MK products?

  • Post_It_Note_Dutchess

    I'd also be curious to see other members pictures of their inventory and how long it took to get rid of, or still have it laying around.

  • Rachel

    That picture looks eerily like the basement wall where I kept my Mary Kay junk. [quote] Mary Kay will buy back from you an amount of products equal to your wholesale purchases from them for the last 12 months.[/quote]Which, BTW, is a good reason for not buying too much inventory up front. If you buy $3600 in your first month, then that 12th month really is a big deadline when it comes to product repurchase. If you buy stuff as you need it, but end up having too much (because you always needed to order at least $200 to get the discount... or ordering just a little more would get you free product) when you decide you're done with it, you'll have a longer window where you still have a significant amount of orders within the last 12 months.

  • Pax

    This article makes me wonder when corpse will up the amount of initial inventory purchsed to become qualified. Wonder if they can get away with it.

  • ciavyn

    Two corrections, if I may. It's $8.75 to ship now...woot! You don't want to be spending that extra quarter when you can just pick up thousands of inventory at once and save almost $9! :D

    And surprisingly, the limited edition items that are color based -- eye shadows and lipsticks -- do actually sell out and usually within a month of the look book mailing. Probably more to do with the company being afraid to make too many and getting stuck with them...like consultants who buy too much. The fragrance sets manage to stick around for eons, as who wants those stinky things?

  • TRACY

    Lazy - I believe that if you can prove what you paid, you can get that actual amount. What I've stated here is the convention they've used in the U.S. for returns for at least the last 3+ years. But if someone paid more and had their paperwork, they should definitely try it!

  • inventory_overload

    [color=purple]Oh, I had forgotten about that worksheet I had to fill out. Evil, and vile! That was what helped me to convince my husband it would be a good idea, because that's what I would need, obviously. And he's such a great supportive husband that he wanted to make sure I have every chance for success. And then two months after I made this huge investment, they announced the new black and pink packaging was going to be coming out. I was completely furious because it was obvious the SD had known about it, and had still allowed me to purchase a large order! If she was the salt and light she claimed to be, she would have advised me to make a small order and wait two months to make a large one, but I guess she knew (and rightly so!) that after the first two months I wouldn't order anything.

    Fortunately for me, my husband started his own business when he was 19, so my several thousand dollar plunge over the edge didn't seem quite as devastating to him as it did to me, and he's been very helpful in my efforts to make back most of what went into the venture.

    The lesson I learned from this is simple. If it takes money to make money, what you need to ask and get an honest answer to is: Who is taking the money and who is making it? [/color]

  • coppermine

    OMG! this pic was on my SDs unitnet and then when PT had it on the front page it disappeared in a snap- :woohoo: I really wonder if it was in her house or something posted off unitnet.... yeah, it really "flies off
    the shelf", that was the reply my senior said when I signed up and I made a comment about not liking to accumulate things I have to dust! too
    sad :( have to laugh :!: :silly:

  • stinkinpinkthinkin

    I wish I had known these things at the outset of my flopportunity. I would have never made the decision to sign had I had all this information.

    As for the repurchase situation... I was one of those who was "talked" into the $3600 inventory package, but my SD felt I needed a "few" more things, especially from the Section 2 so by the time the final total was in hand with the "extra's," sales tax (I live in Central CA) and the mere shipping charge my total was just under $4700 - on the credit card with a $5000 limit. Start adding the interest to that and you will see I was quickly priced out of my business CC, without ever making a first sale.

    Now, when I went to return my product - just 13 months (Jan 08 - Feb 09) later (as Rachel states in her post), the amount they would only let me return was RETAIL $880 - their 90% figure of what was allowable to return - not 90% of what I purchased. The kicker is you only get 50%-whole sale of their 90% figure. I was beyond the 12 month limit for the majority of my product. They based that $880 figure on the orders I had placed from Feb 08 to Feb 09. My last order had actually been in May 08. When I went to order two items that two of my customers needed that I didn't have in July, I found I had been "de-activated" because the orders I had placed in May, none of them totaled $200!!! I had actually order MORE than $200, but because no single order totaled $200 or more, they didn't count! That was the final straw for me. I had already used another CC for my follow-up orders as I had no room left on the business CC from the initial inventory purchase. I realized then this situation was really hopeless to regain what I'd lost. I only sold $600 worth of product during those six months that I was active.

    I realize I probably got royally tricked out of what I should have been refunded. I walked away with just over $450 of my original $4700 investment. I didn't even get 10% of my money returned. I only sold $600 worth of product during those first 6 months. So lurkers you do the math. By the time the numbers came in it was a huge loss!

    I finally made a little bit back when I liquidated my remaining inventory. Unfortunately, I had to sell it at a 75% discount of the retail price - but thank God, this stuff is off of my shelves and out of my house!

    What a waste!

  • kirads09

    [quote]You can use Mary Kay’s “ product repurchase” option at ANY TIME. Mary Kay will buy back from you an amount of products equal to your wholesale purchases from them for the last 12 months. (Many recruiters and directors will lead you to believe that the repurchase option is available ONLY in your FIRST 12 months with the company. This is not true. It can be done at any time.)[/quote]

    I wish I had known the truth about this. I also wish I had known about liquidators. I had no idea they existed.

    I signed up for MK 2x (is there sucker stamped on my forehead?) The first time my recruiter lied to me about the time frame for returning. Also used tactics like "if you return product you will never be able to do MK again if you change your mind - do you really want to close that door forever?" I was so paranoid and scared about returning anything. So when I quit the first time, it all got donated to Goodwill!

    The second time, I thought I couldn't return anything because I had old pink packaging and it had all turned platinum. I thought they wouldn't take it back. Also, my SD was going through a rough personal time and my recruiter had quit, but her year wasn't up yet. I didn't have the heart to cause them charge backs. Luckily, I had "invested" most of my inventory purchase in basic skin care. I kept the skin care for personal use (lasted for quite some time) and just trashed the rest after a huge bargain basement sale for my few remaining customers.

    So I never actually returned product or got a blue check.

  • raisinberry

    You would think that MK Corp, being in business to make money and continue their growth, would have figured out by now that frontloading new recruits is counter productive. You would think, that they would be interested in developing sales reps who turn over merchandise due to selling it, rather than stockpiling it. Instead they add a new level of 3600...then "pearl" at 4200. It's not that they necessarily want you to buy the 4200..it just makes the lower levels appear more reasonable. In any event, it is a tactic to get you to buy in at Star Levels. So the one who has the most hope and determination and resources for her business, is actually the one who gets screwed the most, by having to shelve soon to be obsolete merchandise...or product that won't move quickly in her target audience.

    Mary Kay's business strategy is all about short term gain capitalizing on massive turnover. That should be one huge key to alert consumers as to what a scam it is. What real company could care less about its entire work force churning over, while it's mid management drowns in debt trying to stay afloat?

    Directors are nothing more than Sellers of Inventory packages, and Mary Kay is content and practised in putting on a big show of pretense, acting as if it's all something more.

  • dupedbypinkfriend

    You would think, alright. :0

    [quote]Directors are nothing more than Sellers of Inventory packages...[/quote]

    Well put, Raisin! I was uneasy the first time I heard my SD say, in a training meeting, that we sell two products: the product, and the opportunity. Selling an opportunity? That just reeks of BS.

    But what you have written is the real truth, and if that doesn't make someone horribly uneasy, there is something terribly wrong with her moral structure.

  • dupedbypinkfriend

    [quote]Instead they add a new level of 3600...then "pearl" at 4200.[/quote]

    And who in the world would need to start out with $7200 or $8400 worth of lotions and potions? :s

  • onelessSD

    This hits home! As a SD, I truly felt more comfortable when a consultant came in with 600-1200. Then I pretty much knew that she would be ordering again the next month! The higher levels always scared me - largely in part to the repurchase program! If they came in with a larger inventory- the chances of them returning it were much greater. I think it's absolutely insane for anyone to get that much product to start with. (now I think any amount of product is insane to start with- shoot, even starting is insane!)

  • eyeswideopennow

    Raisin writes: [quote]...would have figured out by now that frontloading new recruits is counter productive.[/quote]

    No kidding!

    This is same the company with outdated sales techniques and one that requires women to wear skirts. Gimme a break.

    My heart goes out to all of us who were conned. This is a GREAT article and should be required reading for anyone we know who's thinking of doing MK.

    Kirads - I'm a two-timer and fell for the same "oh you don't want to shut the door on the opportunity by selling back your product" nonsense. In the end it took me 7 or 8 years to get rid of all the product I bought the first time. At least this time around I was better at not buying more that $1,200 worth of initial product. Of those product the ones that didn't sell were the ones my SD told me were "hot". Yeah, they jumped right off the shelf. Not.

  • inventory_overload

    [color=purple]Oh, I'm sure they do that on purpose, eyeswideopen, because then once you realize you can't sell what you have on hand, you'll be forced to place an order of something you CAN sell.[/color]

  • Mindy

    My recruiter tried the "you won't be able to come back if you change your mind" when I told her I was quitting. Luckily, I was so disgusted by what I had seen in my 3 months as an IBC that I printed the worksheet off PT and sent the stuff back ASAP. I still can't believe I fell for this scam.

  • melrose

    Great website. I've been lurking and reading all kind of stuff on here. Not sure if it's okay to share my deal in this topic. Sorry it's so long!

    The director that was trying to rope me in made a big mistake. She asked if I have ever heard of your site because some other girl brought it up and she have never heard about. And of course she said was all lies, lies which she used on me to get to sign up (and thankfully backed out 2 days later). And she also told me about how Mary Kay has some law suit or something legal going on with this site and that I was very “big”. I was just wondering if that’s true because I can see how, after all you aren’t telling anyone to NOT do MK but just all the facts. The more I read on this site the more I realized I was being duped into this junk. The day I started questioning whether or not to do MK (and I hadn’t even looked at this site yet) I wanted to talk to her about my feelings and get some more questions answered. For 40 minutes on the phone she pretty much beat me down to try to make me feel stupid for not wanting to do it. As if I was passing up this life changing deal… Yea… life changing in the wrong way! The night she talked to me about inventory (she recommended the 1800$) She was heavily pushing “just put in on your credit card!!!” and “I wouldn’t talking this to anyone, they don’t understand the business, they don’t get having to have inventory!!!” OR “you probably shouldn’t tell your parents, my dad wouldn’t have understand a 3600$ order!” Of course I talked to my mom about this. I mean all of a sudden there were weekly classes @ 5$ a pop, then trying to swindle me into CC purchase… I don’t even use credit cards…. If I don’t have the money to buy then I don’t! So after beating me down for 40 minutes and me just keep repeating “I just want to think about all this” she finally let me off the phone. She was so mean to me, and I was so mad. I was returning the starter kit crap the next day!!!! So I get this email from her the next morning:

    "Hi Mel,

    So I wanted to shoot you a quick email before my day gets too hectic (Allie and I have a play date and then tonight (husband) and I have a date!) to actually apologize to you because I really felt like I got a little snippy on the phone last night and acted a bit unprofessional. I was so taken by surprise by your change of heart and I was honestly a bit disappointed because we had spent so much time over the past few days talking and going over things. I reacted poorly and for that I'm sorry and it wont happen again. I guess for me I really feel you could be so good at this and get so much out of it and you have such a huge amount of potential that I took it kinda personally because I believe in you so much and I do get really disappointed when I see someone who does have a ton of potential want to back out and be unsure because I have seen first hand with myself and lots of my consultants how amazing this business is and what it does for people and I have seen people regret their decisions to quit later on.

    I really do think you'll be great at this and I truly hope you do decide to stick it out, give it a shot, have some fun with it and see where it takes you. It is totally low pressure if you want it to be that way and it is alot of fun. I still would LOVE to have you tomorrow night to see what it's all about and meet some of the girls. I think you'd be able to make a decision after seeing the other consultants and how we run our unit and hear more education materials!

    Let me know about tomorrow. I don't expect a decision today to stay or leave the business, because I think it is something you should review and think about and see the meeting with, and then see where you stand. One thing I do need to know is if you want to go forward with your debut party on the 28th, just because I need to give (husband) my work schedule so that he can arrange to be home with the baby. We can always reschedule for a later date in March or April, but I do just need to firm up my February schedule.

    Let me know your thoughts and again, I'm really sorry I was bitchy last night with you....and please know I really respect you and your decisions and believe in you!"

    HA! what a joke. This 40 minute phone call where she ripped me apart… She also told me I was 1 out of 170 and a 200$ a month wasn’t anything to help her.

    All I can say is thanks for your site. Thanks for this director telling me about. She used EVERY line that’s written on this site to try to suck me… She almost did if it wasn’t for her being so nasty to me.

  • holycow

    [quote]I reacted poorly and for that I'm sorry and it won't happen again[/quote]

    I bet it would happen again. And again. Just like an abusive spousal relationship.

  • melrose

    [quote]I bet it would happen again. And again. Just like an abusive spousal relationship.[/quote]

    I agree.

  • nomorpnkstress

    I too fell for the limited edition line. I still have 8 lip color duo and 4 eye quad sitting on my shelf from Christmas 2007 not to mention various gift w/purchas items. :( :angry:

  • thinkpinkagain?

    When TOP was still selling MK, they listed how many of an item they had...and they always had TONS of limited editions. Ever since those eye and lip color sticks from when, last year? I have never seen so much limited edition from MK...and I am sure the director's use this to get their consultants to order.

    Like Raisin said, front loading seems to be counter-productive...when women get smart and get out, those charge backs have got to HURT those directors.

  • Post_It_Note_Dutchess

    melrose- Thank you for sharing your story. The bitchiness from a higher just reminded me of my last encounter with my SD- Who when she said this... I wished I could have punched her in the face.

    I started making diaper cakes for fun and extra income. I mentioned to my SD that I wasn't interested MK anymore because I found this to me more my liking: crafty, creative and I loved seeing the moms-to-be faces glow when they saw a 3 tier diaper cake with toys and stuffed animals as decorations.

    That's when she said, and I quote- "Well, why not try selling gift baskets of MK products with the diaper cakes? I mean, pregnant women don't always appear to be their prettiest and I think that would be a nice way to bring them up and for you to bring in more money!" :angry:

    I was at work, so I put my phone into my desk drawer and decided you can't reason with an unreasonable person.Fist of all... how dare anyone- ANYONE- say that pregnant women aren't pretty! They are beautiful with that natural glow and bright smiles. Secondly- MK is not about opportunity- it's about money and she proved it that afternoon.

    Thank you for letting me go off on my tangent. But that really cheesed me off.

  • raisinberry

    Well, I think your SD had some class to call and apologize (even tho I also know she is trying to save production). Her desperation is something I really never want to personally experience again. I can remember bringing someone in on the last day, and of course being pushed to go over inventory cause we "never hold production". My goal was not this recruits goal-obviously...and she subsequently became afraid of tenacious persistent attempts to close...

    Casualties. How many mary kay casualties are out there, because SD's stupidly think that one day they will collect a working Unit, and all will be well.

  • waters3738

    hi everyone, i am new to pinktruth and you guys are probably going to kill me but i am considering starting MK, lol i know you guys please dont be mad at me. Later on maybe you can say i told you so, i wanted to ask do you think it would be wise to start off with a small amount of product first? Like 400 dollers worth? Would some of you if you could do it again do it that way? Please let me know

    Thank you Ladies

  • coppermine

    Not a chance in hell!!! find a consultant and ask for a discount like
    25% and you will be so much farther ahead than to sink any money in inventory that will change packages.
    Read deeper into what these wise women
    are saying here. They were successful
    caddie drivers and have seen and done it all. good luck to you! Im hitting
    the hay. nite all PTers!

  • icanbecomesane

    Hi Waters3738,

    If you want to lose money, join MK.
    Any part time job at minimum wage pays MORE than MK.
    Any MK product you could possibly want can be found VERY cheap on E-bay and/or Craigslist.
    If you must learn the hard way, start with the minimum $200.
    You can send back the amount of product you have ordered in the last twelve months for 90% of wholesale. NOT just the first year you are in MK. (That's what your Director will tell you. She will lie right to your face - as many times as you let her.)
    That's the short version.

  • icanbecomesane

    :) Hi Post_it_Note_Dutchess,

    I hope it's o.k., I put a 3-Day Butt Rash Hex on your former SD 'cause she is such a ****. :evil:
    Congratulations on your Diaper Cake business. Can you put a few pictures on the Discussion Board??
    I LOVE hearing what people do AFTER MK.
    Really enjoy your posts as well. :)

  • eyeswideopennow

    Hi Waters,

    Let me save you some time: We told you so!

    No one - NO ONE - makes money on MK except the corporation.

    But hey, if you need to prove it to yourself then go for it. It's not like any of us here have experience with it.

  • eyeswideopennow

    Melrose - welcome.

    Thanks for sharing your story. It's like so many of ours! Pushy sales directors, whining SDs, bitchy SD's.

    When I first started my recruited wanted to talk to me about inventory. We set up a date, we were excited to get together not just to do the inventory, but to get to know each other. When the SD got wind that we were doing this she FREAKED! She called me and said that it was NOT my recruiter's job to go over inventory with me, it was her job. Her tone was rude and she truly hurt my recruiter's feelings, (who in turn called me and blamed me for the change in plans). What a mess!

    Little did I know back then that inventory was critical to my SD's ability to keep her car. Man did she pressure me to buy the $1,800 pack. She tried the $3,600 but I shut her down with the "gimme a break" look, but she really put the thumb screws on for the $1,800. To spite her I only bought the $1,200 pack, but in the end it bit me in the but because I still have most of it. She had me buying things like lip liners, which very few women use, and loose powder that is impossible to demo. Ridiculous. Anyway, I had originally budgeted for the $600 package and wish I had done that or nothing at all. But alas, Pink Truth was something I'd not heard of and here I sit today, a suitcase full of inventory and friends who look at me with pity because I bought into MK.

  • eyeswideopennow

    Oh - forgot to end by saying my nasty, immature, poorest-spelling-person-in-the-world SD lost her directorship shortly after I joined.

    No car for her!

    And that's what you get after 4 years of faithful service to the company. They pull your car when you don't meet quota.

  • raisinberry

    waters! welcome!

    eyeswideopen---you made me laugh out loud!

    Waters, don't be offended by eyeswideopen's remark. Its just the truth of it. There are definately women making money in Mary Kay. I made money in Mary Kay. The "sales" part with the customer was usually fun and rewarding...because I loved the transformation, and enlarging my friend/acquaintances. The price you pay for this small sampling of fun is enormous!

    Secondly, the career path. You can make money with team commissions, not much, but some. When they quit and return product, you get to pay all those commissions back. How does that sound to you?

    Thirdly, as a Director...you can make 3,000 a month when the Unit Hits 10,ooo production. Over these past few years, looking at one area, about 4 Units out of 30-40 some did that...and not consistently. That means that the "creme de la creme" top 2%er's...are scamming you about their "executive income from home".

    And lastly, to make money, you get to put other women in inventory debt, baiting them with prizes, and attention and recognition, and otherwise exploiting their need to feel significant. You get to be part of a vast sea of deceivers, who, because staying alive is critical to digging out of debt themselves, MUST continue the appearances of success, or you won't follow. They are trapped in their deceit, like a hamster chained to a wheel...and usually unaware that every other Director is exactly in the same boat because NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT.

    Ask to see your Director's schedule C. Watch the dance, as she can't find it, hasn't done her taxes yet, filed an extention, has her hubby do it, yada yada.

    The thing Mary Kay Cosmetics and their national sales Leadership fears most, is a blazing LIGHT of TRUTH on their whole operation, which will reveal that the money makers at the top, sit on a mountain of exploited and financially abused underlings.

  • dupedbypinkfriend

    Welcome, Melrose. Glad to have you here. I have little to add to what others have written except that I think Ican should put the famous 5-dayer on your SD. What a royal selfish, greedy, desperate beotch! I will also offer to construct a voodoo doll complete with 5 inch pokers!

    Sadly, she is not a rare case in Mary Kay. This is what people become once they're in deep waters of the scam that is Mary Kay.

    I have to admit, I got a good chuckle out of her apology email. Don'tcha just know she woke up the next morning with that Uh-Oh feeling in her gut. Not to mention she probably thought about how much time she had wasted on you, trying to figure out how to salvage the situation. But you know, she blew her cover when she said you wouldn't be much help to her. Hmmmmmm....so why was she so bent on you ordering?

    And, okay, I don't usually harp on the poor writing skills of typical Kaybots, but I'm calling out the Grammar Nazis on this one:

    [quote]I guess for me I really feel you could be so good at this and get so much out of it and you have such a huge amount of potential that I took it kinda personally because I believe in you so much and I do get really disappointed when I see someone who does have a ton of potential want to back out and be unsure because I have seen first hand with myself and lots of my consultants how amazing this business is and what it does for people and I have seen people regret their decisions to quit later on.[/quote]

    Ruuuuuun onnnnnnnnn sentence with seven ands! Kaybonics to the hilt! I can almost hear her gulping for breath. :pinch:

  • didpinkawhileago

    [quote] I wanted to talk to her about my feelings and get some more questions answered. For 40 minutes on the phone she pretty much beat me down to try to make me feel stupid for not wanting to do it. As if I was passing up this life changing deal… Yea… life changing in the wrong way! The night she talked to me about inventory (she recommended the 1800$) She was heavily pushing “just put in on your credit card!!!” and “I wouldn’t talking this to anyone, they don’t understand the business, they don’t get having to have inventory!!!” OR “you probably shouldn’t tell your parents, my dad wouldn’t have understand a 3600$ order!” Of course I talked to my mom about this. I mean all of a sudden there were weekly classes @ 5$ a pop, then trying to swindle me into CC purchase… I don’t even use credit cards…. If I don’t have the money to buy then I don’t! So after beating me down for 40 minutes and me just keep repeating “I just want to think about all this” she finally let me off the phone. [/quote]


    Funny, in ANY business or job, you should always always ask questions. Esp since this is your business! DH and I are in the process of going into business with someone. I was at the office just yesterday talking to several of the people. The owner called me later on to recap how it went. She LOL saying one person said- she had lots and lots of questions! The owner said, "well if you're going into business with someone, you should have a lot of questions!" She then told the employee, she as the owner had a lot of questions for us too, which we all answered honestly and forthcoming.

  • Rachel

    Melrose, feel free to share your story anyplace you like :) Welcome.

    Waters, I would never want to do it again. But if I could change something about the first time (well, honestly, it would be NOT doing it), yes it would have been better if I ordered much less product.

  • didpinkawhileago

    [quote]But if I could change something about the first time (well, honestly, it would be NOT doing it), yes it would have been better if I ordered much less product.[/quote]


    ditto or not do it at all.

  • The Scribbler

    "She asked if I have ever heard of your site because some other girl brought it up and she have never heard about. And of course she said was all lies..."

    Isn't it hysterical when you're asked by an MK leader, "Have you ever heard of that site Pink Truth? Personally, I've never heard about it but it's all lies." Reminds me of Amie Gamboian's remark to one of her PT-mentioning IBCs:

    "I have never witnessed the evil of the site you shared..."

    Why does Gamboian assume that the site she's supposedly "never witnessed" is evil? :D

    Also worth mentioning:

    "So I wanted to shoot you a quick email before my day gets too hectic (Allie and I have a play date and then tonight (husband) and I have a date!"

    Note: Peppering "professional MK correspondence" with references to play dates, trips to see bands in concert, and how you saw Mark's mother in Kroger the other day and want to know how she's feeling comes off as a strained effort to prove to all reading (or perhaps to convince yourself) that Mary Kay really does allow you to live the wild, wacky, and wonderful lifestyle that only a Kroger shopper can claim. Just say NO!

    [IMG]http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o183/Stephygal_2006/The_More_You_Know.jpg[/IMG]

  • PinkApostate

    Scrib, Because of what you said, and I quote "Note: Peppering "professional MK correspondence" with references to play dates, trips to see bands in concert, and how you saw Mark's mother in Kroger the other day and want to know how she's feeling comes off as a strained effort to prove to all reading (or perhaps to convince yourself) that Mary Kay really does allow you to live the wild, wacky, and wonderful lifestyle that only a Kroger shopper can claim. Just say NO!" I must now go LMAO and hope I don't pee myself and then I'll be exhausted and have to go to bed. Thank you, good night. :D

  • raisinberry

    Oh Scrib..I agree with PINKA...All of the manipulation that they think is sending the subliminal message (I love my life of flexibility!!!!) is so transparent! Geez Loise, the Pink fog must suck out brain cells and replace them with twinkies.

  • malmis

    " to actually apologize to you because I really felt like I got a little snippy on the phone last night and acted a bit unprofessional. I was so taken by surprise by your change of heart and I was honestly a bit disappointed because we had spent so much time over the past few days talking and going over things. I reacted poorly and for that I'm sorry and it wont happen again. I guess for me I really feel you could be so good at this and get so much out of it and you have such a huge amount of potential that I took it kinda personally because I believe in you so much and I do get really disappointed when I see someone who does have a ton of potential want to back out and be unsure because I have seen first hand with myself and lots of my consultants how amazing this business is and what it does for people and I have seen people regret their decisions to quit later on."

    The thing that stuck out for me with the above comment is how the SD lost it as soon as it became apparent she was losing control of a potential recruit. I found that type of controlling, vindictive personality very common with women in MK. As soon as she wasn't getting her way, she became nasty. My ex-SD was the same way. To me, it shows incredible immaturity along with an inability to allow people to make their own decisions. In other words, controlling. Also, what's with the term "back out"? To me that implies someone going back on their word. This was SUPPOSED to be an "opportuntiy" for the recruit, right? Instead she has to guilt trip her for changing her mind. For me, that says it all right there.

  • TRACY

    HA! A lawsuit between MK and Pink Truth? Hardly!!! I've never even been contacted by them in the 3.5 years this site has been up!

  • Lazy Gardens

    Tracy ... and wouldn't discovery be really, really interesting?

  • raisinberry

    Oh yea Lazy! That would be priceless! Let's find out for sure if those PT'ers are making false claims by interviewing Directors and looking at commission statements. Mary Kay Corp would DIE if actual sales, earnings, turnover figures and chargebacks were made public!It's real hard to sell that "executive income part time from home" when out of 14,000 Directors...maybe 200 make anything near "executive".

  • Thrice Blessed

    As I was pondering and praying about becoming an independent MKC, I also decided to do some research-which brought me here. My dilemma is two fold-I have a sweet friend who has recently started her business (sans inventory), and I do want her to succeeed. Also, I LOVE MK products (but now I feel guilty purchasing them). Any rec's? TIA!

  • pinkpeace

    Welcome Thrice Blessed!

    Oh my. If you want your friend to succeed, please send her to PT for a reality check. It is virtually impossible to be successful in Mary Kay, and the more you chase that elusive mirage, the further in debt you go.

    I understand that you love MK products. I wore Mary Kay exclusively for 13 years. But when I left the business, I found multiple brands and product lines that work much better for much less money.

    Knowing all that I know from my own experience and from what I've learned from my tremendous PT sisters, I would never encourage anyone to begin a Mary Kay business or to use Mary Kay products.

    Good luck!

  • melrose

    I know my post is now old... But thanks for everyone who commented on my first post. I love reading this site and the comments... Gives me a laugh!

  • CWilliams719

    I never purchased an inventory because I didn't have an extra $3000 sitting around my house...if I did, I would not be selling Mary Kay!

  • bambalina

    Cry about it a little bit more and I'll supply you a box of tissues if you want to complain about buying inventory and not being able to sell it because you are lazy. Maybe you shouldn't have jumped head first and bought $3,600 worth or more, thats your own fault for putting your self in credit card debt not MK. no one twists your arm, you have a brain for a reason, use it someday.

    oh...Is this really what people do now when they figure out that they arent successful at some things that other people are. just come on the internet and talk to the other loosers on here about how they just are too lazy to succeed? I'm happy for your circle of hating, and i hope that it makes your day.

    omg, what would we do without the pink truth, who would we talk crap about and where?

    lets meet at starbucks next time!! yay!! hatership!

    :woohoo:

  • freshoutofpink

    :D I can't believe you said "loosers"! :D
    You are nothing more than the traditional Ashbot with nothing meaningful to say.

    I do have to give you credit though for saying "no one twists your arm" because most of your kind say "no one held a gun to your head". I'll give you a 2 for originality!

    Hey, I have a great idea for ya. Why don't you come back in the morning and face the music instead of doing a barf and run in the middle of the night! Maybe that could be your really big "barf bag goal" and you could get credit for it at your next sales meeting!

    We see your kind here often. You are not any kind of big news so get over yourself and we'll see you in the morning, if you dare that is! ;)

  • The Scribbler

    Welcome, Bamba! Glad to see you've found your way here!

    I'll wager you haven't been in Mary Kay for long, as your responses are typical for those who are - shall we say - untried in the business.

    Read on, my friend; you have much to learn and there is much this website will teach you.

  • onelessSD

    Bambo- or is it "bimbo" ?

    okay, I won't slam you for typing with inferior grammer, but listen, I've got a couple of questions for you:

    1. How long have you been in MK? me: 15+ yrs.
    2. How many stars do you have on your ladder (and what color are they?)me: last count- 48 - last 4 yrs= pearl level.
    3. Where are you on the career path? or how high have you gone? me: SD=7 yrs.
    4. How many times have you crossed the stage at seminar on awards night? me: 5 times, consecutively. (that's 5 years in a row for your little brain)

    Before you get all "bad ash" on us, take a deep breath and realize that we are not losers (that's the correct spelling) nor are we lazy. Geez Bambo- it's only the 17th of the month- you've got a lot of month left to go, or are you getting nervous about this so called opportunity? hmmmm?

  • freshoutofpink

    OMGoodness Oneless!!! :woohoo:

    Are you the Bad Cop tonight? :D

  • onelessSD

    got my shades on- B)

  • freshoutofpink

    Let's stop a 7-11 and I'll run in for coffee and donuts while we're in the Grand Prix squad car!! :D

  • onelessSD

    B) roger that!

  • PinkApostate

    It is a bit early in the month for the troll-bots to roll up. But, February is a short month so all the desperate SD's have probably turned up the dasher on the frontloading churn.

    Bring it Bambalina, but please bring something new.

  • raisinberry

    Oneless!! "Bad Ash"???? :woohoo:
    OMG is that ever funny!!!

    PA-I was thinking the same thing...a bit early for the looser,lazy,hater pink trifecta

  • eyeswideopennow

    Okay, I'll go there - she's a Bimbo. One who doesn't spell, doesn't have good grammar and doesn't know how to capitalize the first letter in a sentence.

    Based on other Troll writings she sounds like the same one we've seen here what, three or four times now? Always doing a hit and run then probably coming back to read how she's been bashed. That's one sick woman. Or man, guess it could be a sick man. Regardless, it smacks of someone with a desire for negative attention.

  • pinkpunch

    Babblelina (the Ash kissing follower),

    Since we do speak the truth, here, on PT. Let me point out some of the obvious that comes right from YOUR very own posts. Hi

    We let the public know that MKers cannot think for themselves. They use scripts (the same ones over and over again) that has been downloaded into their brain (even with spelling).
    For example:
    [quote]Cry about it a little bit more and I'll supply you a box of tissues if you want to complain about buying inventory and not being able to sell it because you are lazy.[/quote]
    [quote] thats your own fault for putting your self in credit card debt not MK. [/quote]
    [quote]just come on the internet and talk to the other loosers on here about how they just are too lazy to succeed? [/quote]
    This is all cult talk and spelling, too! :P When a "group" of people obey their leaders words and continually repeat them and have not filtered the words out themselves, they are cult members/followers. We get this EXACT same babble, over and over and over again. :0

    Also, these people claim to be very professional and Christian "like". They also will not allow any negative language whatsoever. So maybe when they are near "their kind" they can't wait to explode, so they come here. :woohoo:
    For example:
    [quote]Cry about it a little bit more and I'll supply you a box of tissues if you want to complain about buying inventory and not being able to sell it because you are lazy.[/quote]
    Christian like? :0 Nope! Professional? :s Nope!
    [quote]you have a brain for a reason, use it someday.[/quote]
    Christian like? :0 Nope! Professional? :s Nope!
    (Actually, I would have to quote her whole post! So, you get my picture, right.)

    Now let's look at the lying....
    [quote]I'm happy for your circle of hating, and i hope that it makes your day.
    [/quote]
    Gee, really? I'd be willing to bet she's not a happy person, at all. I mean, she's in a cult, for crying out loud! I'm very confident that she's not happy for us, too. :woohoo: :P ;)

    Breakdown:
    1. repeats the same things and scripts. (can't think for themselves)

    2. The cult members cannot spell loser correctly. That's proof of brainwashing. They see it written like this -(looser), by their leaders, so it must be right. :0 :s :woohoo:

    3. They are not professionals and they are not Christian like.

    4. They continually lie.

    Basically, she just proved a lot, about what we talk about here. :woohoo:
    These MKers come off as nice, smiley, professional, Christian like woman BUT the REAL Truth comes out on PT! :whistle:

    Thanks for all of your help (proof), Babblelina! ;)

  • Pax

    hatership? What the heck is that? I continually learn new words here - most I wish I didn't but many are interesting.

  • icanbecomesane

    lets meet at starbucks next time!! yay!! hatership!
    bambalina

    Hatership?? Is that anything like Mothership??
    Sounds like she wandered away from hers! :lol: They'll corral her little ash and she'll be alright.

    Dang! Spell check goes crazy when you copy and paste a Trollbot rant. :P :silly:

    I really enjoy it when a Troll comes here all angry. MK makes me angry so turnabout is fair play. It's all good. :evil: :evil: :evil:

  • icanbecomesane

    Can anyone translate Trollese??

    What does hatership mean?? :huh:

  • pinkpeace

    "Hatership" - must be code for "Directorship," because all of us former long-time directors know how much we hated it!

    :lol:

  • icanbecomesane

    :P Thanks PinkPeace! You Rock!! B)

  • dupedbypinkfriend

    Trolls have a thing for Starbucks, eh? I think she's POed because we are allowed in Starbucks, whereas most stalking Kaybots have been kicked out. Dang! Shall we try Denny's next? :pinch:

  • freshoutofpink

    Pinkpeace~ 10 thumps up for that comment! :D

    Directorship is hatership with a total vengeance!

  • raisinberry

    You know, it doesn't start out that way. You really do think you can help new people learn how to do a class, get good at sales, learn to interview. You love recognizing achievement. You love watching shy people open up. The Pink Bubble of having fun while making money seems like perfection...only all the while you are moving up the career path, you trade commissions for paying on debt, and have no idea that everyone else is doing the same thing. All the smiling faces at the guest event, retreat, career conference or Seminar, make you think they have figured it out and you haven't yet. This is what keeps you in the game- the fact that you don't know the vast majority are DROWNING.

    Full disclosure on real earnings, and actual saturation, and accurate retail sales would DEVASTATE the Mary Kay game and bring recruiting to a screaming halt.

    And then some troll comes on here with NO IDEA what she's talking about, and SADLY, with beliefs that some of us probably told her, as we passed down our programming.

    If these consultants actually knew that some of our members spoke to them from teaching positions at Seminar,...that some of them are driving around listening to CD's and tapes that some of our members recorded...they might get a clue and just BE QUIET AND READ!

  • exkaybot

    [quote] I'll supply you a box of tissues[/quote] Can you afford them with all the debt you've racked up ?

    [quote]no one twists your arm[/quote] nope, but MK not so subtly encourages it. I'd call it their fault.

    [quote]you have a brain for a reason, use it someday.[/quote] Use yours and consider that you might be looking at smoke and mirrors courtesy of MK.

  • onelessSD

    Pinkpeace- hatership does equal directorship! I have to say, at first it was so great to have finally "made it"! Then after the 1st couple of months, reality started to sink in- I haven't made it at all, I'm just on a bigger hampster wheel.

    I hope Bimbo does come back and take another look around- I liked playing Bad Cop! B)

  • dupedbypinkfriend

    And you are dang good at it, Oneless! Hooyah! :whistle:

  • onelessSD

    dupie my friend- thank you!

    It's kind of fun to not always be "nice" - it's good for my heart to let my horns get some fresh air once in a while! :evil: heh heh heh heh!

  • SpiesLies

    Thanks very much for this site. I did just sign up to be an IBC, but I'm noticing a lot of "too good to be true" scam talk, even by my very dear friend who signed up 6 months ago. There's too much velvety language, as you all know.

    I realize that most of you will advise me to get out NOW, but I do have a question: If I have no intention of climbing the ladder in MK and just want to sell periodically, with nothing on my shelves, throw some parties, particularly fundraisers for local charities, am I still landing a really bad investment? (also, I'm in a rural area.) If so, I will get out now.


    P.S. My director also pushed me to get a loan/use a credit card for at least an $1,800 inventory investment. I don't do credit cards, nor am I interested in taking out another loan. I said no. She told me to at least put all my earnings from my debut party toward inventory. I don't plan to. Am I going to be harassed continually about this?

  • SpiesLies

    One more question--the director and my recruiter also made it seem like taxes would be really easy to handle, but some comments I'm reading here make me question that. How exactly are the taxes handled? Do they give you a form 1099?

  • The Scribbler

    "My director also pushed me to get a loan/use a credit card for at least an $1,800 inventory investment...she told me to at least put all my earnings from my debut party toward inventory."

    Welcome to you, SpiesLies! Many leaders in MK teach that if you don't start out with $3600 on shelf, you are to reinvest all profits from your sales back into inventory until you reach that magic number. That means no 60/40 split...it's 100% Mary Kay and 0% you until you hit 3600. Only then can you start paying yourself (and paying for the many expenses of MK) out of that 40% cut.

    I like to call this concept "slow frontloading." It takes longer than conventional "Pull inventory as soon as they sign" frontloading, but the end result is the same: get IBCs to order as much as possible when it's not necessary/required to have it in the first place.

    I know that would have me knocking down the MK recruiter in an effort to sign the agreement. "Wow, you mean I get to work my can off and not get paid until there's $3600 worth of boxes in my spare bedroom, while Corporate and the upline get their cuts straightaway? Yay, empowerment!"

    [IMG]http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z227/sportica/stopordering-1.jpg[/IMG]

  • Lazy Gardens

    SpiesLies - IF you got any commissions from recruits, you will get a 1099 (you may have to ask them for one).

    You are on your own for filing taxes, as an "independent" sales rep. Gather up your receipts and mileage tracking journal and find a tax consultant (do NOT use any tax preparer recommended by your director or recruiter).

  • Lazy Gardens

    [quote]If I have no intention of climbing the ladder in MK and just want to sell periodically, with nothing on my shelves, throw some parties, particularly fundraisers for local charities, am I still landing a really bad investment?[/quote]

    You live in farm country. You know she who deals with pigs acquires a really bad smell. You can't hang around an MLM without acquiring the reek of deception. Watch how womern wrinkle up their nose when you mention having a "party".

    If you want to have fundraisers, there are better ways to do it.

  • SpiesLies

    Scribbler--thanks very much for your perspective, that makes perfect sense (from, of course, MK's perspective, not mine as an IBC). To counter MK's emphasis on buying all this product, thankfully I know a consultant in my area who has NEVER had it on stock, and she's been successful for many years. I'm glad I went with my gut and didn't sign up to buy any.

    Lazy Gardens--I've been having a hard time placing my finger on exactly what has made me so uncomfortable about MK. You nailed it right on the head: "the reek of deception." I never feel like I'm getting the whole story, and obviously, I'm not.

    I've already organized my debut, so my plan is to have it and then run with the small cash I do make.

    Thanks for the website. I'll probably check back in periodically. My story? I'm part-time employed waiting to get my legal career off the ground, and I figured, why not sell make-up? Answer: Because I can run a legitimate and successful, small legal business without all these MLM pressures.

  • ozzieozzieozzie  - I regret that day...

    I found out years ago that Mary Kay was using this Inventory Worksheet form. To my dismay and disbelief...I was absolutely shocked. I CREATED THIS FORM ****YEARS**** AGO. LITERALLY...I did. I was a sales director and was trying to make it easier on my consultants who lacked the confidence to tackle the tough conversation of inventory...and to try and help consultants make better decisions about inventory. I had no idea Mary Kay would use this to exploit people. I would love to show you all the original form....because it is 95% word for word, my form. They never asked for my permission to start using it - never a call, nothing! Talk about plagiarism! I regret the day I made that form and I am sorry Mary Kay is now using it to destroy people. :(

  • didpinkawhileago

    [quote]I've already organized my debut, so my plan is to have it and then run with the small cash I do make[/quote]

    The small cash will be enough to run to the 7-11 for a cup of coffee. Any questions?

  • didpinkawhileago

    [quote]To counter MK's emphasis on buying all this product, thankfully I know a consultant in my area who has NEVER had it on stock, and she's been successful for many years. I'm glad I went with my gut and didn't sign up to buy any.
    [/quote]

    Do you know this for fact or what she told you? I would ask this successful IBC if she could show you here paperwork etc to prove how successful she is.

  • pinkpeace

    Ozzie - that's incredible. I'm sure corporate would justify it with one of Mary Kay's quotes:

    "If I have an idea and you have an idea, and we keep them to ourselves, we just have one idea. But if we share our ideas, we both have two!"

    So doesn't that make you feel all warm and go-give inside? :X

  • pinkpunch

    SpiesLies wrote:
    [quote]I've already organized my debut, so my plan is to have it and then run with the small cash I do make. [/quote]

    Please DO NOT even have your debut! Send back the product. Your recruiter and/or SD already has it on her agenda to recruit people at your debut. You will be allowing this to happen!

    You need to trust me on this. I was an SSD and I've done many debuts and (unfortunately) recruited many women from them.

  • dupedbypinkfriend

    Ozzie. That is unbelievable. But I should not be surprised. :X

  • Lazy Gardens

    [quote]I've already organized my debut, so my plan is to have it and then run with the small cash I do make. [/quote]

    Your recruiter's plan is to use your debut as a hunting ground for new recruits ... do you want to do this to your friends?

    Short of a restraining order, there's not way to keep her from giving every guest the hard sell to join ... and you by example will lead them into it.

  • SpiesLies

    No worries, Lazy and pinkpunch, I talked to my fiance, and we agreed that I should get out ASAP. So, I've canceled that debut and told everyone who was invited that I was really disgusted with the company. I'd love to help make more people aware of this scam!!!

  • SpiesLies

    Of course, unfortunately, I have a very dear friend who's really hooked on the whole MK dream. I told her that I wanted out because I believed the business was based on lies, and she told me that I really need to read Mary Kay Ash's bibliography and get both sides of the story. She's really seeing the "dream" and not the REALITY of how the corporation runs.
    I'm planning on just staying a support for her, but I'd love to encourage her to get out before she's in too deep (she signed up about 5 months ago). Any advice?????

  • Bennynotmk  - wowza

    :whistle: phew!!!

    I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has contributed to this website. I have received a ton of information that would have been really bad to have missed out on. I found you guys in just the nick of time!

    I met with a consultant today, just two days after I bought some makeup from her (believe me, it would have been SOONER if she had her way). I happened to put a 6 on a scale of 1-10 in being interested in becoming a mk consultant... it said no 5s! lol

    Anyhoo.. I never do anything without research, research research (a gift and a curse you might say) and I happened to stumble onto this page.

    You all have surely opened my eyes a bit wider to the "wonder" that is MK. I knew something was off during our meet today when I just kept getting the same words back at me no matter what questions I asked.... and not a word about inventory mind you, that must be for later.

    I was also frightened away by her pushing. Now she said plain as day in her deal that you don't have to a pushy salesperson, but she definitely was, just very very subtle about it.
    I know a nudge when I feel one and she was definitely trying to get me to commit asap. She wanted me to sign up today!! "just 100 bucks". When I said I wanted some time to think about it, she graciously gave me until 130 tomorrow.

    I just kept waiting for the catch the whole time and when nothing came up my spidey sense tingled again. There has to be one! lol


    Little did I know when I marked a 6, I'd be getting such a send up.

    Benni

  • pinkpeace

    Bennynotmk - Thanks for your story!

    No doubt you were getting added pressure, because it's the end of the month, and consultants are hammered to make recruiting quotas every month.

    Be prepared for this girl's sales director to call and harass you. All sales directors are cranky at the end of the month, especially when they need new recruits - and their inventory money - by the 30th.

    Good luck!

  • Bennynotmk

    Lol... she tried to guilt trip my soon to be hubby like it was his fault. The she asked him "the internet?" :P how'd she know?

  • kittykat10  - Inventory

    You are soo right about inventory. My Director prodded me to have a complete store..$3,000. She did all the ordering of product. She chose many things that are now just sitting in my inventory from day one....70+ lipsticks, 30 compacts, all perfumes & colognes..men & women, scented bath washes, scented scrubs,scented lotions,etc. Things which I really need...cleansers, moisturizers, foundations, I have had to reorder & reorder. I have given away a lot of product, sold at cost, and plan to give away more to the Battered Women's Shelter. I have a few good customers, but I let my web site expire and my Pro-Pay. It is not worth the $$. I got only 1 referral from the website with only 1 order. I am now inactive and plan to stay that way until I can gather together enough $$ to reorder. To Heck With This!

  • TigerLily

    KittyKat, that is so awesome that you are donating to a battered womens shelter. Everyone wants to feel pretty- its too bad MKC doesn't have the generous, giving spirit they claim to embody but I seem to only see in the members on this site instead of the actual consultants and directors still in practice :) :)

    PS Wish there was a halo emoticon!

  • nadia2000

    Ladies - I'm new to the Pink Truth but I can't tell you how much I appreciate all of your comments. I signed up for Mary Kay June 2009. I got dupped. I blame myself because I could feel something wasn't right but I did it anyway. I wish I would have did my homework then. I think this site is VERY IMPORTANT to help others from avoiding the same traps.

    I still remember the 1st conversation with my director regarding inventory - I told her I could not afford it - plain and simple. I wish I could, I told her, but we were broke at the time.

    Can you get a loan? I heard. Do you have a credit card? I heard. Of course my director told me that I should do whatever I need to do - just that it was her experience that successful consultants have inventory - women don't want to wait for product. She tell you how worried she was when she ordered inventory and how surprised she was when IT ALL SOLD!!! She will tell you that she will help you! etc., etc., etc.

    Then of course th

  • nadia2000

    Ladies - I'm new to the Pink Truth but I can't tell you how much I appreciate all of your comments. I signed up for Mary Kay June 2009. I got duped. I blame myself because I could feel something wasn't right but I did it anyway. All the right alarms were going off in my head, I wish I would have done my homework then. I think this site is VERY IMPORTANT to help others from avoiding the same traps.
    I still remember the 1st conversation with my director regarding inventory - I told her I could not afford it - plain and simple. I wish I could, I told her, but we were FLAT BROKE at the time.
    Well let me ask you, can you get a loan? Do you have a credit card? Do you have family members you can borrow from? Of course my director told me that I should do whatever I need to do – she would never want to force me, never talk me into something that is not right for me. But she would be remiss if she did not tell me that successful consultants started with inventory. The truth she will tell you is that women don't want to wait for product. If you have inventory, your customers will see that you are professional and take your business seriously. She tell you how worried she was when she ordered inventory and how surprised she was when IT ALL SOLD!!! She will tell you that she will help you – that is what she is there for after all.
    When I think back on it now all I have to say is that these directors are VERY good at what they do – It took my director about two weeks.
    Then you will find out that if you want to attend the best events, workshops, etc., basically take full advantage of all of the wonderful things that MK has to offer you need to be a STAR…..
    Being a STAR after all only means $600.00 a month…..when you think about it that’s one good skin care class!!! If you were running any other business you would be spending much more than that!
    Well the reality of what you sell and what it takes to sell, get reorders and recruit is much different – so for anyone out there who is taking the time to do the homework I didn’t – Please read all of the comments on this site carefully and if you still want to sign up for Mary Kay - DON’T BUY ANY INVENTORY BEFORE YOU HAVE CUSTOMERS – PERIOD.

  • c4eva

    When I signed up for Mary Kay I explained that I have a student loan and a car loan and could not take out a loan for Mary Kay and I did not want to put it on a credit card because I could not afford it. I told my director I would think about ordering inventory after a week of using the product. She called me every single day convincing me I couldn't sell products without inventory. I finally placed a $600 order and spent my entire extra money for the month on Mary Kay. I sold some products to my friends. 3 weeks later they switched over to mineral foundation. I was very upset because the director knew this when I ordered my starter kit and placed my inventory order. I now realize that she only wanted it to help herself out. I still have a box of crap in my room that has not sold. Plus I had to buy more products since some of the people that ordered stuff wanted makeup that I did not have inventory. I called my director to ask if she had extra I could buy from her and she said she didn't. She just wanted me to order more. I really wish I had found this website in January then I never would have joined Mary Kay. I have spent over $1000 on Mary Kay products to make $150, oh wait I'm still at negative money.

  • Lazy Gardens

    c$eva ... If you only joined in January you can send it all back for a 90% refund.

    1 - Tell everyone you know that you are having a going out of business sale on Mary Kay products: 40% off, CASH ONLY, they pick up when the order comes, and that you will place one order on __Date__. Post ads on community bulletin boards, Craigslist, etc.

    2 - Take the orders, save up the cash, and place the order.

    3 - After that last order comes, call MK and find our how much you are eligible to return ... your SD will have a cat-fit because she will have seen a big order to make her happy, then hear of an equally huge return.

    4 - Fill out the product return spreadsheet - where there is obsolete or reduced price product, highlight it and include a copy of the sales slip showing what price you paid ... they should honor the proven price.

    5 - Pack it up and send it back.

  • c4eva

    that's a good idea thanks

  • outofthepinktrap

    so, the deal is you can send back for a 90% return of everything you purchased in ths past 12 months.....is that right?


  • gettingoutofdebt

    You can send back the RETAIL amount you have purchased in the last 12 months. The products do NOT have to be the same products you ordered in the last 12 months. The products can be older than 12 months, so call corporate the get the total retail amount you qualify for, and then send back older products too. Lazy Gardens has a great strategy to get the most out of your return. Look up her posts.

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