Confessions of a Miss Go Give

I can so relate to what you just said. The beginning of the end for me was when my director called me the day after I buried my mother and asked me to place a $600 order. I told her I would think about it. I already had a basement full of stuff I couldn't sell. So my real thought process was "Hell no!" I can't believe she knows my mom just passed away, that I already have more inventory than I need and she wants me to buy more.

I realize now how desparate she must have been for me or anybody to order so she could keep her directorship. Next thing I heard was that she had lost her directorship and that my old director was now my director again. How sad! She had won the car. But just like you stated most of her consultants were fake. I thought it was just her but now I know that they all do it. My director told me I could be a director too. Yeah! Right! I had like 5 customers. But I did have really good credit. I guess I could have bought my way to the top. Thank heavens I got smart and decided to quit before I ran my husband and myself into bankruptcy.

These people are just evil. They could care less what happens to the people that they recruit. You continue to be their friend as long as you keep ordering. As soon as you stop that's the end of you. It's like you don't even exist. They totally forget about you and are on the next hot prospect.

Jta says it well. One of the big reasons women at the Director level stay in, drowning, is because to leave would mean that most of what they pretended to believe, and most of what they said to the Unit was bull. Leaving means exposure. Leaving opens you up to the criticism ("didn't work her business" and put downs that you witnessed when others left.

It can not be stressed enough that Mary Kay is indeed a cult, using cult methods and manipulations to exploit women, under the completely heinous disguise of helping them. There are simply no words for how despicable the entire organization is, and how elaborate their techinique to keep you dumb, in denial, brainwashed and broke. You have debt building to levels you have never experienced before, but you will use your Directors check to buy more inventory to keep your "bonus" or top off car production...and you think this is reasonable!?!

Pinktruth is where women of conscience have gathered. You Can Too!

Bravo Jta!! You speak volumes. Speaking of volumes...Raisin, I hope you are still working on that book.

Soon after I joined MK, my sister was diagnosed with a life threatening disease. My new Director was calling me at the hospital, desperately trying to get me to recruit my best friend. I big warning light went off in my head, but I was to upset with other issues to heed the warning. Some of these people...there really are no words for them and their vile behavior.

I know the credit card companies arae currently sticking it to everyone with their new "rules" and high rates, but this will certainly affect the bottom line at MKC.

Wow just had a huge light bulb moment. thanks JTA for putting things so well. You are so right about leaving jobs. I have changed jobs several times in my 20 plus years of being in the work force and most of the time I was taken to lunch, given a card and maintained contact with those I was close to.

But in MK, when I decided I did not want to continue to buy my directorship and I just let it go, I was treated differently by those in MK that I thought were my friends, my sister directors.

When I decided to leave MK for good and to return product, I was completely shut out, ostrasized, ignored or talked about. My former Senior even tried to smear my reputation by spreading all sorts of lies about me via email. It got so bad that my husband made some calls threatening legal action if she did not stop immediately.

That my friends is cult like behavior. Even thought this has been pointed out before, I just never fully realized it until I read JTA's article.

Wonderful article, jta! Thanks for sharing your experience. :hug:

Thanks JTA for sharing your experience because it exposes the fact that even those at the top, the ones I always thought had it all, did some of the same things I did to make it. I always admired the top directors and the Miss Go Gives and I thought that if they could do it, so could I.

That is one reason I tried for so long. I would rationalize placing that large order to make production thinking that big month was just around the corner. I would soon meet that hot shot I needed and things would turn around.

The more I invested the more I thought I could not just let it go. It had cost me and my family so much to get to and maintain directorship, I could not quit. So I was driven by the promise that if I just worked harder, made more sacrifices, recruited more people I would be like those top directors that I admired so much. I was also driven by all I had done to get to directorship and to keep it. Quitting meant that I did all of it for nothing. What if I quit just before that breakthrough month? So I played the game for 2 years.

Thanks JTA for showing all of us, including the lurkers, that even those at the top are not as successful as we thought. Your story is a real eye opener.

chop..what you said is scarey true. They have to "diminish" you because mary kay is too great to want to leave...so it must be YOU, you sorry loser. They are deathly afraid that what you know will be shared to others, so they have to turn you into a leper in order to keep others away. Let's face it-that's why PT is so effective. We verbalize and verify the doubts and suspicions that women ALREADY HAVE. That transparency has to be demonized, or it will spread. Mary Kay's so called "opportunity" can not stand the scrutiny--and they know it.

I just wanted to thank everyone on PT. On this, my fourth anniversary of becoming an MK consultant, I decided to give myself a present. I decided to terminate my agreement! I just got off the phone with corp. and I can't tell you (or maybe I can) how free I feel!! I was going to just slowly fade into the sunset, but one of the many last straws for me was the recnt ruling on TOP posted here. That, combined with stories like the one above make me so angry, I want to send a message to MK. So, I'm looking forward to sending this crap back and posting my "return" on PT! Thank you, Tracy, and everyone here for making this happen!

"Quitters" have to be made to seem to be the exception (lazy, dishonest, etc) and that which must be avoided. For if consultants listened to those who have left MK, their suspicions would all be validated.

It's kind of like how MK Inc. was so quick to tell the NSDs to tell all their areas to NOT VISIT PINK TRUTH. It is horrible discouraging stuff. Don't even peek at it.

Why? Because we expose the truth, and MK knows the vast majority who read here and have ever been consultants know we speak the absolute truth. MK has to make us out to be the devil or their victims have too great a chance of discovering the real truth.

Raisin, I agree. My for SSD freaked when she heard that I run into some of her current unit members. She told an NSD that she works with that I was methodically stalking her unit members with the intent of poisoning their minds against her and MK. Wow! I had no idea they thought of me as a serial stalker of all that is pink, intent on destruction.

Truth is, I ran into them completely by accident and we did not even discuss MK or mention her.

To keep the bubble intact, they have to paint all of those choosing to leave in a negative light. So yes Tracy, I am a bitter loser who never listened to my SSD or MK corp and tried to do things my way and failed.

When PT blew the whistle early on the compact change a couple of years ago, I confronted Corp with the info and you want to know their first response?

"Have you been reading PT?"

Of course they denied the info. and went on to tell me that I should never, ever read on PT again. Unbelievable! An NSD I used to meet with at a director's meeting once said that PT was from the pit of hell and should be avoided at all times. It was a tool of the devil to distract and lead people away from all the success God has for them in MK.

So yes, they must demonize us to keep their little kingdoms in tact and all their subjects in line.

"But somehow, after leaving MK we become “She Who Shall Not Be Named” and are completely ostracized...those same people that loved me now don’t talk to me..."

You know, I've come to the conclusion that Mary Kay culture is very pro-negativity IF it's used in one of these two instances:

- Negativity is okay if you're referring to someone who dared question or turn their back on dear old Mary Kay Ash and her glorious company.

- Negativity is also okay if you're using it as a recruiting tactic.

Case in point: NSD Crisette Ellis is both an NSD and a pastor's wife. She also has a side business in which she sells affirmation-based posters and other mental tools. "May your words speak prosperity into your life!" sings the side-business website. One poster reads "The seeds that I sow are good, therefore, what I reap is blessed!"

Now head on over to the training section of NSD Ellis's MK site. You'll find a section titled, "Handling Objections Like a Champion" and these three recruiting objections and responses:

1. I already have a job.

"It'd be nice to have another option...just in case your company downsizes. You never know what is around the corner, do you?"

2. It wouldn't be for me.

Wouldn't it give you peace of mind to know you have this option available...in case you become a victim of downsizing like so many others?"

3. I'm moving soon and not interested.

Wouldn't it give you peace of mind knowing you have a career opportunity...in case you get discouraged with job hunting in your new home town?

$100,000 Question: How can one sell positive affirmation products, proclaim, "The seeds that I sow are good..." and yet be actively teaching others how to pronounce the fear of downsizing and job discouragement into the lives of potential recruits?

NSD Ellis' recruiting guidance is severely hypocritical at best.

Thank You jta, for sharing your real experience of being in MK and that everything about MK is an illusion. I will be praying for MK and its "Sisterhood Of The Solicitous Suits". May everyone in MK soon see the light and the truth.

Thanks jta for giving us a first hand account of the atrocities that occur in MK. I know a MK SD who is now a MK IBC. They always have lots of empty alcohol (booze) bottles in their recycling bin. The husband drinks to put up with the MK lifestyle. The MK IBC's resume on LinkedIn says one of her hobbies is collecting wines. If you can't face the truth then you have to drink to forget your reality. The husband and wife gossip up others drinking when they are the biggest drunks on the block. They learned how to lie and con from their association with MK Corp. They are losers! LOL

Whoever JTA is, I love you! Is it supposed to be a secret who you are?
I'm curious who you are.

Your experience and decision with MK to quit, is POWERFUL!!!! If anyone can justify being on the hamster wheel in MK after reading your story, I feel sorry for them.

[quote]Are you seeing a pattern here that this is not normal, rational thinking?[/quote]

The awful MK Director I know - a resounding no! she absolutely CANNOT use rational thinking! Nope, not in any relationship or any area of her life.

"Wouldn't it give you peace of mind to know you have this option available in case you become a victim of downsizing like so many others?"

What will happen to these directors monthly "production" when credit card companies start downsizing credit limits and upsize interest rates?

These seeds that they sow are NOT good at all.

Those that have nothing to hide, hide nothing. If the MK "opportunity" were so great, they wouldn't care who or how many came to PT. Telling grown adults not to visit a website is so incredibly juvenile. But then, everything about MK is juvenile. Who ever heard of business owners having a dress code, answering to a "director", having to fill out weekly accomplishment sheets, wearing a stupid sash and crown, getting cheap "prizes", and being shunned if you decide to close the business? A psychiatrist would have a field day with that company.

Powerful article jta!!! I'm really sorry for your incredibly painful experience. I find your courage in this situation to be phenominal. You are a person of great integrity.

Something I find interesting about the whole representation or "misrepresentation" as the case may be of MK Success and their attempt to connect God wanting you to be successful as a MK business women, is that having a relationship with God has absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH SUCCESS! We are not promised a magical life or bed of roses just because we have a faith or spiritual belief system. And most certainly not a financially successful life simply BECAUSE you are in MK! This is an absolute falicy, but this is what the MKer's hawk and preach relentlessly. What woman would not want to reach their "potential?" If you are someone who has a spiritual belief, why would you not want to do God's will? You, too can have it all because God promises you this if you just sell MK!!!! And Lord help anyone who wakes up and smells the Bella Belara! They are just out of the will of God for leaving MK.

I may raise some feathers here, but I have to tell you honestly I absolutely despise the "wealth and prosperity" type doctrines being bantered about by churches and MK AND by those who try to represent BOTH church and MK - aka pastor's wives

MK seems to be one of the most materialistic driven types of companies I know - especially in the NSD's and higher levels. It's always all about what a fantastic house I can/do have, clothes I have, cars I drive, vacations I take, etc. And it always seems to be framed with the "blessings from God" because I'm rising to my call to be all I can be IN MK. As if to say those who are not making their business work are somehow not blessed by God? Those who do find themselves beginning to question these unrealistic and irrational thoughts, are the ones who are finally able to pull themselves away from the trappings - and let's face it, from the stories I've read here and what I experienced in my own personal financial disaster, few ever really get to experience the "wealth" that is promised in MK. When they do, it's always on the backs of their downline or due to dishonesty and buying their way to their positions. It seems I hear more of those in the mid level range of SD's that are drowning in debt, afraid to leave because of the horrible pressure and ostricizing they watch others go through. Many feel the pressure to try to save their own financial future and stay in longer hoping to turn things around.

Excuse me??? How can anyone refer to MK as a BLESSING with a straight face??? Nothing could be further from the truth - just more lies and deception - more trickery and conniving to keep everyone hooked in - come on, you're doing God's will, right???

There's a lot more said in the Bible about money causing and creating distance from God and ungodly behaviors than there ever was about having a financially successful life if we "put God first" - the so called first creed of MK. There is no such guarantee. In my observations, often those who have the closest and strongest relationships with God struggle the most with real and serious hardships in life and they overcome because of their faith, family and friends, not because their NSD convinced them to order more product or create fake recruits to build phony units.

I'm not saying people with a strong faith or spiritual belief can't have a financially comfortable life. Many do and they usually do so with honesty, integrity and upstanding character.

I'm also not wanting to suggest that anyone who was in leadership positions -Team Leaders, DIQ, SD's, NIQ, etc., is there because they are greedy or purely materialistic.

My point is the idea of MK providing wealth and prosperity because a person is doing God's will by being in MK is a BUNCH OF CRAP.

Sorry if I rambled. Scribs post about Ellis just got me really riled up.

stinkin' -girl you hit the nail on the head! Love your righteous indignation!

I agree whole-heartedly.. Amen and Amen!

(I don't have anything more to add- she truly said it all!)

Wow - Amen to that! In the parable of the sower, Jesus said that the "deceitfulness of wealth" chokes the vine, causing it to become unfruitful.

Thank all of you ladies who share your stories. Keep on writing!!

When I left MK I wrote my director a letter to inform her I was ending my business. I also shared with her my insight and observation of the deceitfulness of MK.

Even though she mocked my words, I know that the words of truth that I wrote will resound in her head till the day she wakes up to reality. Also to anyone who she shared my letter with – they too, will read and the truth will be brought back to their memory as they experience that same frustrations. (that makes me smile!)

So when “lukers, SND’s, SD or ever MKCorp” come here to read – So be it!! We are all responsible for what we know. When you learn the truth - then you are made accountable to that truth…just like JTA. The truth convicted her until she made an active decision to stop the deceitfulness.

You never forget words of truth. They always find their way back into your thought-life!! That is how gracious and merciful God is!! The TRUTH will only set you free when you acknowledge and act on the truth.

Like the Bible verse: RUN from evil!!

See the evil, acknowledge it, and run from it!!!

Blessings to you all.

JTA - thanks for sharing the awful truth
that ALL Sales Directors know about and share. Just want you to know that you are STILL Miss Go Give. A REAL Miss Go Give because you share what's in your heart and you share the TRUTH with all
of us. As we all know one cannot buy,
frontload or manipulate the Miss Go Give Award. It has to be earned by sharing yourself unselfishly and doing for others. Far as I am concerned, I nominate you Miss Go Give of PT. Thanks again for your honesty. Reading you stories has really helped me with recovering emotionally from my awful experience as a SS. You are my Miss Go Give for sure.

SCRIBBLER...once again! You expose the blatant HYPOCRISY of "mary kay training"...using their own words!!

Self serving opportunists, deceitfully changing their teachings when it serves them and their goals.

The reason why you feel that sick knot in your stomach, Miss Anonymous Lurker, is because your own conscience is bearing witness, and you are experiencing that first pang of pink withdrawal.

If I get downsized I can actually collect unemployment while looking for a new job .In MK if I didn't make production I lose my status and don't receive a paycheck. Funny how that works.
I have a new job and it pays me well and I can buy company stock.

I'll never forget the negative experience I had with the Miss Go Give award. I was working with a very large group of Directors...30-40 in number...for an annual retreat. There were two very nasty, self-appointed Directors running the show. When one left the room, all the Directors were handed a nomination form and told to fill it out and return it. I couldn't get myself to do it, but most did. Sure enough, this nasty Director stood on stage the following Seminar as one of the twelve Go Gives for the year. She didn't get the annual award, but I knew from that day on that award was not the coveted, honorable award it was held up to be.

Even funnier to me...a few years later I saw nasty Director in line at the Dallas Convention Center on awards night waiting for the doors to open. Once we were allowed in, she literally used both arms to "toss" women aside (she a big 'un herself) and left her hubby four women back to get her way to the fromt to get to her seat faster.

Oh, and about Nancy Tiejen: Loved her speeches. She was the only entertaining speaker at Seminar because she was so off the wall and didn't follow a script. Toward the end she became more controversial. Remember when she'd throw the water into the air and tell us not to let anyone rain on our parade? She always ran over time and they kept moving the podium to signal her and she'd ignore it or announce it. I'll bet the staff was sweating when she was up there!!

NoMKBShere & Stinkinpink

Wow! I love both of your posts! Right on. I too LOVE righteous indignation. Remember - evil prevails when good men do nothing.

BTW - I really think that in the months to come, there is going to be such a downward spiral in sales & pink stalkers like never seen before.

I have heard that in my area, it is unbelievably waaaay down with little to no recruits! What will they do, what will they do Can they find a way to pull any more rabbits out of the hat? Hope not

outsidethepinkbox - recruiting is actually up in my area. New Director in my town. She has already taken two customers of mine and recruited them. Even though she used to come to my meeting as a Red Jacket. Mk does nothing about this. Guess you have to be a SS to count. Guess she's on the hamster wheel. Just doesn't know yet.
Hasn't gone to Leadership yet. Wake-up time. Her family life is over!!!!

stinkinpinkthinkin...that was annointed!
Preach it sista!

[quote]But then, everything about MK is juvenile. [/quote]

All you have to do is visit UnitNet to see more evidence of "juvenile." My 14-year old nephew could build more professional looking websites than what I see there. Do Directors, et al, actually have to PAY for that?? It's an embarrassment, and says a lot about the "business."

Yep, when I was duped I had a Unitnet site.
It costs $40 to set it up and $15 a month to rent the site.
They you have to pay someone anywhere from about $50 to $100 a month to keep it current.
And here's the killer, my unit memebers never looked at it. The only people who use it are other directors looking to scam some info from you or check your scoreboard to see if they are doing better than you.

Just another expense and Not Worth The Money!

Fresh, I so agree. I also had a unitnet site and my unit rarely visited it or signed the guestbook. Boy was I in deep!!! Funny how different it all looks once the pink fog has lifted.

[quote]Something I find interesting about the whole representation or "misrepresentation" as the case may be of MK Success and their attempt to connect God wanting you to be successful as a MK business women, is that having a relationship with God has absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH SUCCESS! We are not promised a magical life or bed of roses just because we have a faith or spiritual belief system. And most certainly not a financially successful life simply BECAUSE you are in MK! This is an absolute falicy, but this is what the MKer's hawk and preach relentlessly. What woman would not want to reach their "potential?" If you are someone who has a spiritual belief, why would you not want to do God's will? You, too can have it all because God promises you this if you just sell MK!!!! And Lord help anyone who wakes up and smells the Bella Belara! They are just out of the will of God for leaving MK...As if to say those who are not making their business work are somehow not blessed by God?...My point is the idea of MK providing wealth and prosperity because a person is doing God's will by being in MK is a BUNCH OF CRAP.[/quote]

A hearty Amen to that! What a great post! I don't want to get off subject here but have to comment on this.

That is why I became so angry when I read a certain NSD's "again" statment. I guess it was supposed to "inspire" IBC's to complete a goal by seminar. It went as far as to imply that God would be disappointed with you and your life, hang his head in shame at you if you didn't make it and walk across stage for something. That is the worse form of spiritual manipulation I have ever seen or heard of. How warped can it get.

I was surrounded by a lot MK people in my life. My BFF from high school. Several women at church. For a while I attended a certain church and the pastors wife was a NSD! I definitely started to become convinced it was God's will and plan for my life that I become a consultant and of course, destined to be successful at it since that were the case. How devestating it was when things didn't transpire like that. When I decided to leave MK, I honestly felt I had let down God for a very long time. So this entaglement of spiritual and MK is a personal hot button issue with me.

Your relationship with God has nothing to do with Mary Kay. His pleasure with you and your life has nothing to do with being a "success" or any material possessions. God wants your whole heart and life fully devoted to Him, not anything else.

Yes, Christians need to remember: Christ died on the cross BEFORE Mary Kay existed! Who knew?! As a matter of fact, he died for us before ANY of us existed. Therefore, we are saved by his grace and his love. There is NOTHING we can do to "earn" his approval. We have it. He valued us with is own life--we don't get to claim any of it as a gold star. He loves us. Period. End of story. We are just fine the way we are. There is no disappointment because he already counts us worthy.

Amen - exactly! Black Nova

blacknova - amen and amen!

Black Nova - So say we all.

But to hear some NSDs tell it,
God only cares about Mary Kay.
He has specially ordained and blessed it and those in it. It is His undeniable will that all women be in Mary Kay.

I have come to the personal conclusion that the exact opposite is true. How could he be pleased with some of the stuff that goes on and His name is used to justify it?

I should also state a disclaimer that I realize and respect that not all hold to the Christian belief and I mean no offense.

It took me YEARS to figure out that God was NOT dissapointed in me because of my lack of "success" in Mary Kay. That had been preached to me so often I totally believed it. Then I eventually went to feeling that I could not understand how God seemed to BLESS those Mary Kay people I had seen that were driving Pink caddys and had huge houses and big "diamond" rings etc. How could He bless them when I knew of the dishonesty that helped them "succeed". Then I reached stage THREE- knowing He DIDN"T bless them - they scammed and hurt people, were dishonest and it was all an illusion. In fact He must be sickened at His daughters who, in His name, were hurting so many people. And I came to understand that His arms were there for me and every other former Mary Kay drop out - loving us and wanting us to know that no amount of pink bottles would ever make Him love me more than He already did, does and always will!

I am going on a limb here and saying what I think - no offense to anyone - but I believe that Satan uses some good principles to wrap his ugliness and evil in seemingly nice packages to entice people to do wickedness. When you read the heartache, the duplicity and the destruction that this company has brought to so many lives - who do YOU think is rejoicing in the pink fog that has so many blinded? It sure isn't God in my book.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15: For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

I know the Bible is not specifically talking about Mary Kay ladies, but pinkflew made me think of those verses.

Right on the money Black Nova...

Anybody remember me?? It's been a long time. Don't feel bad about being "hated". I too am very hated in this small town I live in. I was a director and my senior director had me "fired" from MK. I received my letter telling me I had 30 days and I was done. My ex-director took all of my customers (she had my SS# so could access my account). She told people I stole from her website and came to her house and stole her products, anything you can imagine. My town is only 3,000 people. I still run into her once in a while, but I have a big smile on my face because I know what her and her only offspring director do to keep their cars and their nose in the air, everything you described and more. I have to smile and hold my head high, she doesn't fool me and whenever anyone says they think she does well, I tell them a few basics of the company and they respons, " really, i thought the car was free". I just laugh. It has taken me a long time to get here, I have been out almost 4 years and belive me, I loved what i did. I loved the women and the friendships. I still have quite a few that still talk, but I also have alot that give me dirty looks and talk bad. Oh well, what do you do? Come here and talk with real friends and you then feel better!!

I also wrote an apology letter to my customers when I quit. I felt I had done something wrong, even before I found this site. Doing something you enjoy shouldn't feel wrong! I enjoyed making women happy. I often discounted and gave away product because my customers could not afford it.(THAT should have sent me packing the starter kit back to the company) I really thought I was doing a good thing though. I mean, it seemed like I was helping women gain some self esteem and to feel better about their appearance. In the 4 years I "worked" MK I never made enough ($400) in a year to file taxes. I could not get a class to hold to save my life! People that knew me started to AVOID me! My own sister stopped talking to me for trying to sell her product. I seriously thought I was damaged and stupid for not being able to make it work. Surely it was something in my personality that was repelling people! I started to think it was me that was all wrong when in reality it's a stacked deck. I realized when I left that I'm just as smart, funny, talented, pretty, etc. as I thought those directors and NSD's to be. I know that I just got caught up in the pink bubble hoping it was real. I wanted so much to be able to pay for my parent's medication like my NSD did for her mom. I wanted to drive the car(red grand am at the time) I use to see red grand ams with the little black mary kay emblem on them and seethe because I couldn't make it happen! Guess what? I didn't and still don't need to drive that car to validate who I am as a person, and I can help my parents in other ways. Money was tight then, and it's tighter now, but it's so much clearer on the outside of that bubble. It's like being an ex smoker who can breathe so much easier after quitting! I'm grateful for what I do have today, and I'm not coveting what someone else thinks I should have.

"I should also state a disclaimer that I realize and respect that not all hold to the Christian belief and I mean no offense."

Personally, I like to handle that concern by stating that while I realize not everyone in MK may practice Christianity, when God is mentioned in Mary Kay culture, it is specifically the God of the Bible that is being referred to, in accordance with the faith that Mary Kay Ash practiced. If the drones are going to blurt scripture in an effort to justify frontloading and manipulation, then they best be prepared to be challenged with the very Word of God they claim is approving of their vile practices.

"I believe that Satan uses some good principles to wrap his ugliness and evil in seemingly nice packages to entice people to do wickedness/"

Absolutely. Make the sin fun and/or profitable and it'll be easier to entice someone into doing it.

pinkbubblepopper - you my dear have found the secret to a happy life! To be grateful for what you have, and have joy in helping others as you can. Good for you!

In my book, you are a rare beauty!

pinkbubblepopper, you raise a good point. When you run out of "business" and things are not working as easily as they say, and the scripts and activity do not produce the anecdotal story lines of $1,000 weeks, you start into that "going to anything and everything, listening to tapes and CD's" to find out what "you need to hear". This business which is termed "simple but not easy" has changed from what they said at the guest event..."All you need to do is squirt and smile"...and..."we aren't looking for sales types".

In fact you definitely have to be a persuasive go getter, with self esteem issues so that you chase the prizes and recognition. Ironically what the Mk experience does for you, is leave you with worse esteem issues than before because now, this "simple" thing that everyone else appears to be so successful at, has left you in debt broke and ticking off your friends. And since you cant talk about that, you have no idea that everybody else is in the same boat! So many comparing-comparing themselves to phoney stories and pumped up acolades that have absolutely no bearing on the truth! The "QUEEN" of SALES is a woman with wholesale inventory doubled and the largest portion of it still sitting in her basement...or even worse, a new recruit, excited about ordering and winning prizes who has zoomed to the top of the sales leaders list. Since you dont know that, you walk away a LOSER!! You couldn't even smile and SQUIRT.

[quote]BTW - I really think that in the months to come, there is going to be such a downward spiral in sales & pink stalkers like never seen before.

I have heard that in my area, it is unbelievably waaaay down with little to no recruits! What will they do, what will they do Can they find a way to pull any more rabbits out of the hat? Hope not[/quote]

I wish this were true in my area. Sad to say that this month my old unit recruited 22 new IBC's. I'm sure they lured them in with the Oct $50 hoax. I can only hope that these newbies find out soon what a scam MKC is and get out right away. I'll be watching to see in our next newsletter how many actually place an order and become active.

fantasygirl, I too was disheartened when I saw my old SDs online newsletter and they had recruited a lot of new IBCs last month, and now also had two new DIQs. Then I remembered the $50 deal.

However, we know that it won't be sustained. They'll have production for a few months, get to toot their horns about how the company is growing, they had the quarter in four years, you're in the "right place at the right time", but it will eventually all fall by the wayside.

Of course, they'll leave debt and destruction in their pathway but they've never been too concerned about that, have they?

raw joy

[quote]Of course, they'll leave debt and destruction in their pathway but they've never been too concerned about that, have they?[/quote]

This is the part that concerns me the most - it makes me angry that so many women will go into debt over this. My ex-unit also has two DIQ's and one getting very close. I agree they won't be able to sustain this, however ruining others lives why they try is really sad

My Director spread vicious lies and rummors about me too. I guess that is why she is a team leader and no longer a Director.
Raisenberry I want to nominate you for the Pink Truth Miss Go Give

Thank you jta and Tracy. Every word you have written is true, and every current Director who sneaks over to Pink Truth to see what is being said KNOWS it's true.

This site should be a required read for any woman considering signing an agreement. Believe me, when I was a Director, I would have done anything In my power to keep recruit prospects from seeing Pink Truth.

If only the truth had been available to me many, many years ago when I signed my own agreement!

The most freeing feeling of my entire life was the day I admitted the truth to myself and left the cult for good. Of course, there are no best friend sister Directors left. That's just the way it is in a cult. But I have a deep appreciation for my new, normal friends outside of Mary Kay, and rarely admit to anyone the wasted years I spent keeping up the charade of success.