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UkkaJ  - Worried...   |2009-04-14 00:11:39
I stumbled upon this site while trying to google some info on Mary Kay. I have recently joined Mary Kay and after reading things on this site I am not sure i made the best decision.

So much that is said,about the directors, the things they say to you, etc. is sooo true...but I just don't want to believe, because this is something that I really want to work for me! I love doing it....I love getting out and meeting new people, and so far love the girls in my unit. But......is it all fake?

After finding this site, I have now decided NOT to buy inventory, and just place orders as they come, Id rather pay the shipping then have tons of stuff stuck in my cupboards. Ive done really well with this so far, and only being in Mary Kay for a month, have made some nice "extra" cash.

But...Im being pushed to work harder, try to get this person and that to sign up also...and right now, Im working at my own pace,and lovingit!

I would really like to sit down with my director and tell her my choice about not having inventory, but what will happen then? Will I be shunned from meetings (which I love...for different reasons, I have 3 kiddos at home, and its a nice break each week Or will it be ok with her??)

I guess Im just asking for some advice....some words of wisdom and some pointers on how to make this work, without all the jazz they want me to do! Thanks so much!
icanbecomesane   |2009-04-14 01:05:37
avatar Hello UkkaJ,
Everyone here at Pink Truth wanted to believe, wanted it to work out. Unfortunately, it only works for 1 out of 100 consultants.
You are very wise not to buy inventory. MK ships fast. I have never waited longer than 3 days to get my order. That's faster than any other party plan. There is also TOP, E-bay and Craig'slist if you don't want or need to put in a minimum $200 wholesale order.
If you recruit anyone, your Director will push them to come in with a HUGE inventory order. Whether they can afford it or not. Whether they can sell it or not.
Work at your own pace and enjoy your MK if you can.
Learn to say "No" to your Director. That will not stop her, but it may slow her down. Be firm.
Say No to Inventory.
Say No to Recruiting. Don't give your friends' names and numbers to your Director.
Continue to order just what you need and you should be alright.
If you haven't already, check out the Discussion Board. You will be amazed at all the strong, smart women who will do their best to help.
Post any questions or comments you have on the Discussion Board.
Good Luck! Look forward to hearing more from you.
Lazy Gardens   |2009-04-14 09:54:39
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.I'm being pushed to work harder, try to get this person and that to sign up also...and right now, I'm working at my own pace,and loving it!


Your recruiter and/or director can't "promote herself" into a higher position, the way the literature claims. She has to persuade people like you to recruit to shove her up the ladder. She can't "write her own paycheck" ... she has to persuade you to order to get her commissions. As much as 26% of the money you send Mary Kay gets distributed to your upline. Yes, your orders are what supports the whole pyramid.

The money in selling is small: it's pin money. If that's all you need and want, tell her to bugger off.

Collect cash for the orders in advance, don't give huge discounts, and don't spend any money on the rah-rah stuff like conferences and such. You'll make pin money.

Say this, "This is MY consultant business, I'll run it to benefit me, not you. And if you keep bugging me, I'll quit and send the product back because it's not worth the harassment I'm getting." (I guarantee she'll back off)

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I would really like to sit down with my director and tell her my choice about not having inventory, but what will happen then? Will I be shunned from meetings


If you aren't helping her paychecks by placing big orders, she may fawn over others who do, and ignore you, giving you the big freeze. 

She may call you on the carpet during the meeting for not "supporting the team". She may call you a "lazy looser", say you are letting your family down ... it might get real nasty, depending on her techniques.

Be prepared for this: using emotional control tactics is a powerful tool.

And ... don't EVER let her know your customers names and addresses. If you haven't recruited them, they are considered fair game by many directors. They justify it by saying you are doing enough for the customer if you don't "share the opportunity".
lortsa  - You'd Better Believe It!   |2009-05-01 07:10:25
May I tell you that the information presented on Pink Truth is valid. The Mary Company is NOT the company it was when Mary Kay lived. In fact, I would strongly advise people to stay away from the false premise of this company. The costs of doing this business are high and most people make little money, in fact I would guess that most lose money. Stay away from Mary Kay!
raisinberry   |2009-05-01 09:54:53
avatar Sounds like you have a story, lortsa. Feel free to share it on the discussion board.
dawhole9  - Thanks Pink Truth   |2009-05-14 14:42:55
I came across this site by accident. However I did take the time to read a lot of the blogs and found it all to be true. I got out and it is the best thing I could have ever done. Guess what? My director didn't try to stop me. I called got the form used the spreadsheet off of this web-site and should be receiving a check soon. I called today and I was told that I am getting back the amount of the spread sheet. I wished I had boxed all the product last year a month after I joined. What pissed me off about MK was my Director called me and asked me for $24 for a event I wasn't able to attend due to a family emergency. She stated you registered for it. I told her I did not register for anything I said I might attend the Master Consultant which is acutally a joke because I can take myself to lunch for less than $24 and eat better. I hated the unit I was in the meetings were boring and all our Director cared about was getting into NIQ. After 17 years with the company I think she would have made it sooner if she would have took the time to get to know the women in her unit. I AM SO HAPPY TO BE OUT OF THAT CULT!
puc4now   |2009-05-14 15:49:48
avatar Congratulations. When your blue check comes, be sure to go to the Home page and add the amount to the inventory returned total - right side of the home page. Feels like a huge weight has been lifted, doesn't it?
kimmeyj7  - Full Retail   |2009-05-26 20:48:06
How can anyone maintain a unit now. I don't know anyone who pays full retail for Mary Kay products. I have been getting mine off EBAY for the longest and have not had a problem with any of it yet. I've gotten most of the items for less than 1/2 of the wholesale cost. So many consultants and directors are on Ebay just letting it go for next to nothing. I have even found some of the brand new stuff on there as soon as it comes out. Why would anybody pay full price?
goodlife67  - Question   |2009-05-28 13:44:28
Yikes! I just signed and received my starter kit, I want to keep the kit because I use the product. I just signed on last week, what do I have to do to quit? I appreciate your advice and am SO glad I found this site before I became an addict!
Rachel   |2009-05-28 13:49:30
avatar You probably don't need to do anything except just don't make any orders. Don't get a website. You'll go inactive soon enough.
Pinkslipping   |2009-05-28 14:09:33
avatar Goodlife-

You do not need to do anything to quit - just never place an order on InTouch otherwise you'll have to wait 12 months to fall out of their system (it takes 12 months from when you ordered your kit or your last $200 wholesale order you'll fall out of the system).

I would make a suggestion though. Go to marykayintouch.com and enter your consultant ID and password. When you get to the home page go up to the 'profile' link and delete your email address & if you can your phone #. If you have to have a phone # in there then enter a fake one. This will keep your director from contacting you - the only way she will be able to do so is by mail.

Good luck!
The Scribbler   |2009-05-28 16:18:38
avatar And Goodlife, if you did place any inventory orders, simply refuse delivery when the UPS guy comes to drops them off.

Return to Sender, baby! And welcome to PT!
goodlife67  - Thank you Ladies!   |2009-05-28 16:38:41
The good news is, I never placed an inventory order though my director really tried to pressure me into it last night on a conference call that lasted WAY too long, after a long day at the office and took time from my teen daughter! Deal breaker! I was supposed to go to a "Success Meeting" tonight to get "Pinned" and will not be attending that either. SO GLAD I found this site and SO glad I can just become inactive. I will definitely go on the site and remove my name and number! Thanks for the warm welcome! Also shopped on Touch of Pink and found everything I needed for so much less! THanks so much! Glad to be part of this community!
puc4now   |2009-05-28 16:40:03
avatar Call MK Corporate and tell them you are cancelling your contract and that you want your consultant number terminated. It has happened that SD's needing recruits re-activate you as a consultant without your knowledge or consent so they can make their recruiting numbers. Get the number cancelled and this can never happen to you. Good luck.
anothersucka  - free gifts?   |2009-06-09 07:35:04
Hello. So I hadn't even unpacked my inventory when my father found this site. Him and my husband were against me signing up but of course I did not listen. Once I read the stories on this site I was convinced this was not a wise choice. I have recieved the form to return my inventory my question is will I get reimbursed for the "free gifts" that I got. Such as 4 mini eye makeup removers and my "personal color kit"?
Also is true now that I opened my 100 dollar kit it's worthless?
sorelieved   |2009-06-14 22:37:11
I have been reading this site for some time now. It has given me such validation. I thought I was going crazy with the thoughts I had about the meetings....the subtle comments made and half truths, which are no truths!

I wonder if Mary Kay herself would be happy with the way things are being done. I think the use of the credit card has been cause of all the heartache. When MKA started this company, orders were mailed or phoned in--no instant internet. Classes were really held. It took a long time for the SDs to become NSDs. They actually worked the business. Not many became NSDs in 3 years.....have to be suspect about those that worked it so quickly. I fell for the hoopla, I really wanted to have my own business, work my own hours, etc. My SD would get so mad at the meetings when several of us would not stand up and committ to wanting to be SDs! I didnt not like the hours I saw the directors putting in to all the meetings, breakfasts, special events, etc,etc. I am SORELIEVED to be FREE!!!
Thank you to all who have writen in...you have brought much affirmation to so many, esp ME!!!
partywithcece  - Mary Kay Discount     |2009-07-13 13:43:45
Hey,

I am a part time MK seller so for those of you who don't want to sell it but still want to use the product I will give you a discount which will help me keep my minimum quarterly order.
baptist1225  - Desperate...Need advice..Oh my!!!   |2009-07-15 07:57:05
Hello. I have inventory to send back..but I am worried about the cost of shipping and how long it will take to get my check. I've put a note in the box along with my inventory list and signed form they sent me BEGGING (literally) for quick turn around of my check as my husband is in a wheelchair and I have four kids at home...
Can anyone tell me how long (on average) it takes to get a check and how much shipping is? I have three boxes to send back..that probably weigh 10 each.
didmkinslc  - I bought a TON of Inventory   |2009-07-15 22:14:36
I actually found this website because I was wondering if there was a blog for people to cope with their friends who are Mary Kay "consultants". I have such a friend and it's annoying that our social functions have turned into MK sales opportunities with at least a mention of MK meetings, distribution of brochures, samples of products, facial opportunities, etc.

I started MK about 11 years ago and quit MK about 8 years ago. Until I threw most of it away last year, I STILL had MK inventory left. WHY? I bought into the guilt/dream/whatever and bought the highest level of inventory purchase (I've been out long enough not to remember, but there was a special name). AND the company kept discontinuing and replacing product lines during my brief tenure, I was left with obsolete inventory. I'm sure they still do the same. In their defense, why not?

My sales manager was always telling me how there was a Harvard MBA grad doing MK instead of getting a job in corporate America. That gal musn't have listened in the classes on inventory management and control (and I forgot I'd these lessons myself til after I was sitting on my office floor one day with all my inventory and then I remembered!). The goal of every business should be to maximize cash and liquidity by minimizing inventory. A best practice is to purchase inventory "as needed" not as storage. In MK, you are encouraged to do just the opposite. If you think about it, MK's cash flow is just the opposite of the consultant's, which is why there are so many stories on this blog about people using their credit cards to buy massive amounts of inventory.
didmkinslc  - How to silence MK friends' constant need for MK d   |2009-07-15 22:16:46
My point of looking on this website was to see if I could find a support group for how to quickly silence MK inquiries ("did you want any MK"? ...) at every social function I attend with this friend and if possible to never have these MK inquiries again. Instead of relaxing with friends, I feel as if I have to be on the defensive. I own a small business and have never pushed my products to my friends especially in social settings. Would something like "Joanie, we appreciate spending time with you, but in all honesty, your pushing MK at our get togethers is making people uncomfortable. If you'd like to show people your products, why don't you set up a sales meeting with them? We just want to have fun." Is there a phrase from the MK handbook to let a consultant know that no means no? and she doesn't need to ask every time? and we don't want her to be selling us stuff while we are trying to eat and drink? and we don't want to be manipulated into contrived demonstrations masquerading as dinner parties?

Any ideas are appreciated! I don't want to hurt my friend but there are better, less expensive products out there than MK and if she needs an extra $10 I'd rather give her that than buy a beauty product that will sit unused.
tlog11098   |2009-07-19 13:44:36
First I want to say thank you to Pink Truth. My wife and I joined MK not to long ago. I have to say from some of the people I talked to,and google, This site is right on.
We are having an easy time make some pin cash though. We only buy 200 dollars wholesale in product at time to keep the most common stuff and the stuff my wife, family, and friends use. The other stuff we need we buy from our heavely stocked upline at a 40% discount to help them with their production quota. Ive been in the marketing field for a long time and consider myself a marketing guru. MK is really an outlet for me to sell and market our own product. That's where we make the real money. With the Tax Write Offs we'll take from MK our profits should even increase. Our director lives in another state and I told her to Buz off and don't bother me. The biggist piece of advice I can give anyone that is interested or just starting is DON'T,DON'T,DONT.
But if you must try it Start Very Small
and Don't Take The Criticism Personal, Get some thick skin, have fun and try to at least brake even each month.
samovi  - Please Help!   |2009-07-31 18:23:22
I just lost my full time job. I sold Mary kay but I'm looking for something dependable. Does anyone know anything about partylite? I might join them. Please help I need to keep my baby fed, and I have an opportunity to join partylite, and I don't want this to happen to me ever again.
raisinberry   |2009-07-31 22:31:46
avatar sam...multi-levels are designed to enhance only the first ones in, and the few late comers that can BS a storm and could care less who gets damaged by the association. Is that you?

If it is not you, then get any job you can, that does not require you to lie to people and use your own money to make a pretend profit. Partylite is NOT it.
1stdibbs  - Rut Ro Reorge!   |2009-08-08 15:36:04
Whoa! What??? I just stunbled upon this website today. I was trying to conduct research before making the decision to join MK. So, I met this woman and she was driving a huge pink SUV. My first thought was ...Oh yea! I am the one who actually did the approaching. I called her and fired off a bunch of questions. She told me she brings in $14,000 in monthly commission each month. She quit her job 3 years ago and never looked back.

She sent me a link (MK application). Geese Louise. My plan was to do my research and then fill out the app. She said once I completed the app she would sit with me and explain how it works. After being on THIS website for 10 minutes, I have made my decision. There is no way in H-E-double toothpicks am I going to throw away my hard earned Benjamins, nor will I join a Cult! There's far too much negative, yet seemingly genuine feedback and advice on this website, in comparison the pipe dream presentation I received from this woman. I had a really good job until the economic downturn hit. I think it would be in my best interest to work even harder at obtaining a REAL job. In the long run it would be a less stressful experience, and I won't lose the little bit of money I currently have. I may be damn near desperate, but I'm not STUPID! Thank you Ladies for all of the intersting and informative feedback you have posted on this site. I look forward to telling this woman to go and fly a kite.
Lazy Gardens   |2009-08-08 20:39:11
avatar 1stdibbs ... Thank you.

It's nice to know it's having an effect.

The $14,000 in commissions the woman claimed was:
1 - Before expenses
2 - Before "chargebacks"
3 - Taken from the savings accounts of women like you who didn't take the time to research.

As for her "not looking back", she's running as fast as she can to stay on her crumbling empire.
dupedbypinkfriend   |2009-08-08 20:50:07
avatar 1st, I am right behind Lazy in thanking you, and I am thrilled that someone (you) avoided the MK pitfall.
jedco712  - Is it worth the 115.85?   |2009-08-09 19:42:29
I became a consultant on April 21, 2009 because a good friend of mine had just joined. I was very leary about it because I was unemployed. My friend was very excited about becoming a consultant and so I went to one of her training classes. I felt amazing right away. Like all of these woman were just too awesome.

That actually changed. I found that these woman praise Mary Kay like an idol.
"Faith, Family, Career." I am sure she was a lovely lady. But the way they praise her and seriously idolize her freaks me out. My Director is a wonderful woman, but she is all about who is making the most money. She gives out these little "sales ribbons", which I am sure she gets from MK. She also gives her "I" story, and how "Mary Kay has changed her life, as well as her children."

She pushes the inventory order a little much. And her meetings are only about recruiting. My friend who is unemployed now is not doing well with her MK business. She actually spent over $600 on an inventory order and has not really sold anything.

The woman just want the money. I personally joined for the benefit of wearing the cosmetics for cheap and to gain friends.

I would like to say that they treat MK like a religion. They idolize the principals and ideas of this woman. My director has said her highest monthly check was around I think $9,000.00.

So I would like to say this.

She has been with MK for 14 years. Of course if you and I have been with a company for 14 years you may make that same amount. My best friend's dad works for Procter & Gamble. I believe he has been with them for 10 years. He makes over $14,000 a month. I know this because I saw his work check deposit on his bank statement. (My friend and I got a little nosey one night.) Now, he quit school in 8th grade. So this man who doesn't even have a high school education makes over $14,000.00 in 10 years. *Now that is what real hard work is about. From working in the factory to taking trips all over the world for your job and making a $7500 pay check every two weeks.

My director, like I said only make approx. $5,000 a month selling cosmetics for 14 years.

They are perks. If you take "vision" and go with it, you also can make the $9,000 every 6 months.

I don't think Mary Kay would appreciate the way woman are being treated by the others in her business.
It's,
Sell, Sell, Sell, Recruit, Recruit, Recruit.

I myself may not always like working in corporate America, but I can say that some day I will more proud to tell my children to got an education, worked hard to get where I am versus just selling cosmetics without any education.

I am not trying to sound mean. And Mary Kay does give woman and men the chance to change their lives, but it also brainwashes them into thinking that the only way that can succeed is if they make money.

"Success isn't measured by your bank account, but how many accomplishments you have in your life." -JC-

So to conclude this entry, I don't believe becoming a consultant is worth the $115.85. I may not have spent a whole bunch of money on inventory, but I did spend money on supplies.

Also, if you mention this site to anyone in Mary Kay they will tell you to ignore it. That this site is horrible. That is what I did. Until now.
I would also like to point out. That if MK changes woman's lives to become better more positive woman, then why is there a lady in my unit who announced at seminar that she has been cheating on her husband for 13 years???? And yes my director says, "And MK is there for us in tough times." MK does not answer prayer or bring miracles. MK brings more debt then we bargain for.
jedco712  - corrections   |2009-08-09 19:44:44
sorry people i did not reread what i wrote. So forgive me for the mispellings and missed words.
raisinberry   |2009-08-10 07:00:07
avatar 1stdibbs...welcome and glad you avoided the snare. Like Lazy mentions, there are details omitted from the Director's sales pitch. One of them is likely that she ONCE made 14K a month in commissions...a figure she could only reach if her unit did $60,000 in production in one month. Just for fun, off handedly ask her what her Unit's average WHOLESALE production is. She won't expect that and when she throws out 16,000 to 25,000...you will see how easily they spin(lie)about their so called commissions. Its also likely she's paying for her SUV as well, through co-pay deductions removed from her check.
bonkers   |2009-08-26 12:22:03
I just wanted to say that I am happy to have found this site. I was approached by a friend from church about becoming a consultant. It started out with just an invitation to a makeover. I bought some products (which now I feel guilty about because I spent so much - although I do like the products. ) But now I feel horrible because I gave this lady some of my friends' names and numbers and I just wish I could get them back. I don't want to destroy friendships over this. Does anyone know of anything I can do? Is there any way to get her to not call these people and tell them I gave her their names and numbers?
pinkpunch   |2009-08-26 13:12:15
avatar Bonkers
Oh, she will call those people even if you ask her not to. You may want to call them yourself, give them a heads up quickly and also apologize for giving their name and number out.  

If you do not mind me asking.....did you get some kind of discount or something free for giving out those names and numbers? 
NOTE: I just want to point out how easy it is to get caught up in the moment, of all of their hype, meanwhile something you did and thought was so innocent, turned on you in a matter of seconds. That's how the whole entire journey is with MK. Now you feel bad and guilty for what you did. 
I'm not trying to make you feel awful. I just want you to know that's what they do to everyone, all of the time. You just got a very small taste of it. It doesn't feel very good, does it? I'm sorry that you were even subjected to those con artists. Please know that this has happened to many, many people. Now please hurry and prevent this from happening to your friends/family whose numbers you gave out. Okay.
bonkers   |2009-08-26 13:25:42
pinkpunch,

Thanks. Actually we were supposed to get $10 off for giving her 5 names. (There were 2 of us there.) I've already told at least 1 person that I gave her name out and she laughed. I'm hoping it won't be too bad. And we didn't even get the $10 off with this order. She said she'll save it for the next event we go to - we were supposed to go to one Tuesday, but ended up not going. I just feel stupid because I know that just means I have to spend more money to get my $10 off. I feel really stupid. I'm trying to make myself feel better by saying I like the products, which I really do, I just would never have paid that much for that stuff in a store!!!! And now she keeps trying to get me to be a consultant. My last email to her explicitly said I don't want to, so we'll see what happens next.
pinkpunch   |2009-08-26 16:45:25
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I've already told at least 1 person that I gave her name out and she laughed. I'm hoping it won't be too bad.

Please make sure that you tell them to just say "No and do not bother me EVER again." You have to be firm and clear with these people.
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And we didn't even get the $10 off with this order. She said she'll save it for the next event we go to - we were supposed to go to one Tuesday, but ended up not going.

Okay good, you didn't go. This was just one more lure and tactic to subject you to the cult. They are trying to get you to drink the pink kool-aide and join. Good for you! Stay far, far away. Just the fact that you express how much you like the product, they are just waiting to jump all over you. I hate to tell you this but they also, probably, already know your hot buttons and are waiting to use them on you the next time they get you in their presents. If they figure out that you will not be returning, then the next step for this consultant is to ask you to "help her out with her business." She will tell you that she's trying to move up in her business and is learning to do interviews. She will ask you to please do a "practice" interview with her and her Sales Director on the phone. It's not a practice interview at all. THEY, will be trying to recruit you, once again. Remember, her Sales Director is trained to get you to say "yes" no matter what obstacle you throw out there. Do not do the interview, just say "No". She will try to guilt you into doing it by saying it would help her out a lot.
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I just would never have paid that much for that stuff in a store!!!!

If you would like, you can ask many gals on here what they have switched to, on the products that you like so much. There's a lot out there that is cheaper and just as good, if not better.
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And now she keeps trying to get me to be a consultant. My last email to her explicitly said I don't want to, so we'll see what happens next.

She will continue to bother you until you demand to be left alone. She is or is being trained to not take "No" for an answer.

Hope this helps. Keep in touch, okay.
bonkers   |2009-08-26 17:19:37
pinkpunch,

Thank you for all of your kind words and advice. I truly enjoy this site. My initial problem was that at the initial makeover we went to, (which was fun) I just casually mentioned that the extra income would be nice. HUGE mistake!!! As I now realize they jumped all over that so that I am where I am now. I honestly have a career that I love and have no intention of leaving. I do have a hectic schedule, which was my initial excuse as to why I didn't want to get involved. So, of course, the plan of attack has evolved to "Let's get together to see how Mary Kay can fit into your schedule." I just feel bad because I know this person from church and outside of this association she seems like a very nice and very Christian woman.

Do current Mary Kay consultants (not looking to get out) visit this site to see what we are saying about them?
pinkpunch   |2009-08-26 18:26:59
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I do have a hectic schedule, which was my initial excuse as to why I didn't want to get involved. So, of course, the plan of attack has evolved to "Let's get together to see how Mary Kay can fit into your schedule."

Bingo! That's tactic #1 to overcoming "your' objection. Next, they would ask you to map out your week, day by day. Then, see how many 2 hour segments you have in your week. They would make it sound soooo easy to fit MK into those slots, meanwhile, leaving out very important info and also using a lot of deception and half truths. For example, they point out 2 hour time slots out of your week, but they leave out that you must have the time to preprofile each guest coming to the skin care class, check and pack your bags properly, drive there (amount of time???), do the class which really takes about 3 sometimes 4 hours, and drive home. Now does that sound like 2 hours of your day to you? They sure made it sound easy, though.  
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I just feel bad because I know this person from church and outside of this association she seems like a very nice and very Christian woman.

bonkers, most of them are nice and they "think" (b/c they are brainwashed) that they are doing something good. If you really feel bad for her you will be doing her a favor by pointing her in the PT website direction. If she treats you differently, after that, then she wasn't as nice and Christian like as you thought that she was.  
You will see for yourself, first hand, how they come off soooo very sweet until you question or disagree with anything that has to do with MK. Then the claws and fangs come out!  
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Do current Mary Kay consultants (not looking to get out) visit this site to see what we are saying about them?

That's a tough question to anwser b/c some do and some don't. The company and their SD's firmly TELL them to never come here or anywhere else that has negative things to say about MK. A lot of the consultants that are already very brainwashed will never disobey that rule. That's part of the "Cult" tactic, called "information control". Some come on here to fight(but they'll never tell their SD b/c they did a very, very bad and naughty thing ) and some come on here b/c their gut has been telling them that something stinks in MK and they want to investigate what we have to say, for themself. Those women usually get their gut feelings anwsered right here. When they post for the first time it usually starts with, basically, something like... "I KNEW IT, I KNEW IT, I JUST KNEW IT ALL ALONG!!"
bonkers   |2009-08-26 18:51:40
LOL!! I really like this site. And thanks for the advice on their next tactic. Forewarned is forearmed!

I was just worried about the consultant I know coming here and seeing what I'm writing about her. Not that I've given any identifying information.

And when I was just lurking on this site I actually toyed with the idea of giving her this website. I think she said she's been with MK 20+ years, though - not sure if it would make a difference.
dupedbypinkfriend   |2009-08-26 20:01:51
avatar You never know, bonkers (good name, btw - I think we all did that when we were in MK!), many of our members had 20+ years into the madness before finding their way here. And they are really valuable members.
backtoreality  - Feel like I just woke up   |2009-10-01 22:05:59
I was so close to getting into DIQ and it's like out of no where I woke up and decide that this is not a real career. There is no stability and I've been brainwashed for 4 years and for 4 years I wasn't satisfied with any of my JOBS because I was wishing I could be working my MK business full time... I was sooo blind but now I feel free.. free to be normal and free to think for myself. Now I realize that it's okay to work for someone else! I don't have to feel mediocre or like a total loser. And I don't have to confuse God with Mary Kay Corp. which is something that happened to me often. Career is always gonna be first when someone mixes the company with God because according to them, God wants us to recruit and sell makeup. Just b/c Mary Kay was a Christian, the company is annointed or something?? Give me a break! I can finally focus on a real career now instead of thinking about how the "pink bubble" is better. Has anyone here had the same feelings?
pinkinthered   |2009-10-05 14:50:24
Hi back. Yes, I had the same feelings as well. Looking back over my 4+ years in MK, I had SO MANY red flags. I consider myself pretty "street wise", but for some reason couldn't see through the B.S. I am so thankful for this site for so many reasons, but mostly because I don't feel so alone. Reading stories from others, I know my situation, unfortunately, is not unique. If we can help just one person at a time, it's worth it!
nosucker   |2009-10-06 14:30:35
i joined mk 6 months ago, thankfully i had no extra money and could not place an inventory order. my sd suggested having parties and raising the money. in 2 months i sold over $1200 but never saw a profit because I felt pressured into ordering more. i was a star consultant my first quarter and loved it! the second quarter t and even i worked my behind off with parties and facials and phone calls and fair booths but i did not make star and was made to feel terrible about it. i loved mary kay in the beginning but i am feeling down now. when i talked to my sd about it she talks to me like she is reading a script she has an answer for everything and i am sick of it.
smileyeyes   |2009-10-26 11:35:15
I was a consultant for 18 years and a SSD for 8 of those, resigning my unit 8 years ago. Are there sites like this for other direct sales companies like candles or kitchenware? Or is this site unique to MK because of the ability to stock inventory?
The Scribbler   |2009-10-26 13:17:18
avatar "I was approached by a friend from church about becoming a consultant."

"I just feel bad because I know this person from church and outside of this association she seems like a very nice and very Christian woman."

Given what Mary Kay career path climbers have to do each and every day in order to get promoted, I am quite cemented in the view that Christian women cannot walk the Mary Kay career path without damaging their walk with Christ on some level.

In the November 2007 issue of Applause magazine, there's an article which introduces us to an ESSD Harrison, who also happens to be a pastor's wife. Check out this quote:

"...this pastor's wife stepped into a pink world, and once exposed to Mary Kay's positive philosophies, she saw herself in a whole new light."

STOP.

This is a pastor's wife. And as a pastor's wife, she undoubtedly counsels and teaches many seekers (especially women) about the Light that is Jesus Christ.  She would also teach others to how see themselves as Christ sees them, per the Bible's guidance.

How frightening is it to read this account where Harrison gushes that she now sees herself in a whole new light thanks to Mary Kay? It's as if Harrison is saying that the Light of Christ just wasn't positive enough, and that Mary Kay did so much more for her than God ever could.

Friends (and especially any Christians reading here today), this should trouble you right down to your socks.

Harrison bubbles on about the importance of "abundance mentality" and stresses the importance of listening to the CDs of top leaders each day. So let's fast-forward two years later. Has the light of Mary Kay taken Harrison to NSD heights?

Harrison's website lists her as an SSD, which is down TWO ranks from ESSD.

I pray that this fall has helped Harrison draw closer to the Son; the Light that ever trumps the cheap and harsh glare of Mary Kay Cosmetics.
Sylvia  - What a bunch of whiners.   |2009-11-12 10:15:10
I'll be honest. In my searches for Mary Kay, this site always comes up. And I think your are all the saddest group I can imagine.

I am sorry on behalf of the Mary Kay consultant or director who must have really hurt you somehow.

It seems your mission is "support one another in leaving Mary Kay and living their lives outside of Mary Kay." But really, after years of coming across this site....I have observed your mission is to blame others for your unwillingness to run your own businesses, to take responsibility for your own lives. Instead, you come here to join the blame game and make Mary Kay out to be some evil conspiracy out to get you. What don't you understand? You buy something for $1 you sell it for $2. How is that a scam? If you don't learn to manage your money and take a profit, that is your failure, not the company's...not your directors...not your NSD's. If you're not meant to be an entrepreneur...or not willing to grow into one..that is fine.

Also...I find it interesting that if someone you know is doing Mary Kay and offers you a facial...that you're so incredibly offended. If you don't want a facial, you don't have to get one. If you don't want to purchase Mary Kay products, feel free to purchase other products. There's nothing scam like about it...if I tell you I'm in a challenge to complete 30 faces, you're right...because this is my business and I always have a goal to introduce the product to 30 new people every month. It's not a scam, it's a genuine offer you can choose to take advantage of or not.

I find it fascinating that one has to register here to participate...and in fact, I'll be amazed if my post isn't moderated and then shut out because I am on the "other side".Your mission to "help people leave MK"...is weird. How is that a mission? Wouldn't your time be better suited actually helping people who need help, like women in domestic violence shelters or orphans or something? If I wanted to leave Mary Kay and go back to my previous career, I could easily do that. I am an adult who can make my own choices. I'm not in a cult that gives me some kind of ultimatum. My Mary Kay sisters (and brothers) would support my decision of whatever I thought was best for my life. Either way, I'm a better person, stronger and more solid, for having been in Mary Kay. I've learned self discipline, money management and how to over come personal challenges.

But seriously, folks. If you don't want to do Mary Kay...that's just fine, go live your lives. No one cares. It's your life. Why do you come here and just bash on others? Go get a job. Go do something new. It wasn't for you. And that's OK. But for some of us, it is for us. We're doing it! We're making it! We love our customers, our products, our company. Go make a name for yourself, rather than try to tear down the Mary Kay name. I'm disgusted at those of you who are still consultants who come on this site and bash the company you are a part. I'm disgusted at you former directors who come to this site and are now making a new career out of being anti-Mary Kay. Wouldn't your time be better spent helping address the issue of human trafficking of women and children in this country? Or homelessness or something actually worth while?
Sylvia  - To the Scribbler   |2009-11-12 10:29:53
Ouch..."cheap and harsh glare of Mary Kay cosmetics...."

This pastor's wife is not saying that her business is better than Jesus. Wow. No...she's saying that God is using this business as a tool to refine her. Motherhood helped me "see things in a new light"...but it doesn't make motherhood better than being a Christian, it's just another way God is giving me opportunities to be transformed. Marriage is another one. My teaching career was another one. My career as a journalist was another one. And now my Mary Kay career is another way God is transforming me...and be because the company's philosophies of God first, famiy second and career third...along with living according to the Golden Rule...is helping me to become more of a Godly woman. Because of Mary Kay, I'm remembering to value others the way God values them, to be others-focused instead of focusing on my self, to be of service to others,instead of thinking how others (or this company) can serve me. I am learning to remember that I can do all things, even the scary things, through Christ. Again...Mary Kay is not a whole new religion. It's not a replacement for Christianity. It's not a cult. I would say that it is a biblicaly based way of life that teaches women to be the Deborah's, the Esters and the Ruths of the Bible - strong Proverbs 31 women who know how to make money and be a blessing to others.
The Scribbler   |2009-11-12 11:59:54
avatar "Mary Kay...is a biblicaly-based way of life that teaches women to be the Deborah's, the Esters and the Ruths of the Bible - strong Proverbs 31 women who know how to make money and be a blessing to others."

Doubtful.  Observe:

Deborah was a judge who bravely went into battle because Barak feared General Sisera.

Esther was put into her position by God to intervene on behalf of her people, knowing full well that the King could have her executed for coming to him when she wasn't summoned.

Ruth demonstrated amazing faithfulness by refusing to leave her mother-in-law Naomi's side and stay in a land that wasn't her own.

The Word doesn't seem to reveal how Deborah made her money, but both Esther and Ruth married into theirs, much like some of your NSDs.

As far as the woman in Proverbs 31, here's how she made her moolah:

"She considers a field and buys it;
out of her earnings she plants a vineyard...she makes linen garments and sells them, and supplies the merchants with sashes"

To buy a field and sell clothing you have crafted is VERY different from pimping a recruiting racket through the use of manipulation and emotional hot-button pushing.

Putting honest work like weaving clothing or tilling the ground on par with only discussing the top three levels of inventory with potential prospects (taught by NSD Stacy James), working scripts with titles like "Get The Recruits You Need!" or suggesting that women sign up without telling their husband (taught by several MK leaders) is absolute folly.

So to bring this around full circle, friend, Mary Kay is about as biblically-based as Playboy magazine.

Welcome to Pink Truth.
vintagegold   |2009-11-12 12:24:45
Sylvia - doesn't the fact that LESS THAN 2% of people make a profit in this company tell you something? You come on here ready to badmouth everyone without hearing the whole truth. These are not just a few wounded women. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of women here who have earned pink caddies, rings, courts, pins, trips. Some have been in for more than 30 years! There are a lot of things Directors are not allowed to share with their underlings, and PinkTruth helps expose the corruption. If more women quit Mary Kay, you should be glad...More customers for you and less competition!
nomoremlm4me   |2009-11-12 12:30:26
avatar Let's break this down, Sylvia, dear.

I'll be honest. In my searches for Mary Kay, this site always comes up. And I think your are all the saddest group I can imagine.

Actually, we are happy because we are MK-free!

I am sorry on behalf of the Mary Kay consultant or director who must have really hurt you somehow.

There are so very many who hurt those on this site, it can only be a company-wide accepted practice.


It seems your mission is "support one another in leaving Mary Kay and living their lives outside of Mary Kay." But really, after years of coming across this site....I have observed your mission is to blame others for your unwillingness to run your own businesses, to take responsibility for your own lives.

Oh, here you are very, very wrong. We HAVE taken responsibility...apologizing to those women we hoodwinked while in MK, apologizing to our husbands for all the debt, and fighting to take back our faith.

Instead, you come here to join the blame game and make Mary Kay out to be some evil conspiracy out to get you. What don't you understand? You buy something for $1 you sell it for $2.

If only, if only...it's more like buy it for $1, have it sit on your shelves for years, then discount it to pennies on the dollar just to get it out of the house.

How is that a scam? If you don't learn to manage your money and take a profit, that is your failure, not the company's...not your directors...not your NSD's. If you're not meant to be an entrepreneur...or not willing to grow into one..that is fine.

Oh, please, it is the directors and NSD's that push you to toss any money-management out the window. Otherwise, you wouldn't order and they wouldn't get their "love checks"

Also...I find it interesting that if someone you know is doing Mary Kay and offers you a facial...that you're so incredibly offended. If you don't want a facial, you don't have to get one.

They offer a facial, but it is NOT a facial. In a real facial, you don't have to do everything yourself. What they offer is a recruiting session masked with makeup.

If you don't want to purchase Mary Kay products, feel free to purchase other products. There's nothing scam like about it...if I tell you I'm in a challenge to complete 30 faces, you're right...because this is my business and I always have a goal to introduce the product to 30 new people every month. It's not a scam, it's a genuine offer you can choose to take advantage of or not.

All I can say to that is  

I find it fascinating that one has to register here to participate...and in fact, I'll be amazed if my post isn't moderated and then shut out because I am on the "other side".

We have had many ladies who started on this site as somewhat pro-MK. The difference between them and you is that they came here with an open mind, not to insult those on here.

Your mission to "help people leave MK"...is weird. How is that a mission? Wouldn't your time be better suited actually helping people who need help, like women in domestic violence shelters or orphans or something?

We do all that and more. How about you?

If I wanted to leave Mary Kay and go back to my previous career, I could easily do that. I am an adult who can make my own choices. I'm not in a cult that gives me some kind of ultimatum.

One question about the cult thing - do you keep in touch with ANY of the ladies who have left MK? Hmmmm? Thought not; those who leave a cult are shunned.

My Mary Kay sisters (and brothers) would support my decision of whatever I thought was best for my life. Either way, I'm a better person, stronger and more solid, for having been in Mary Kay. I've learned self discipline, money management and how to over come personal challenges.

 

But seriously, folks. If you don't want to do Mary Kay...that's just fine, go live your lives. No one cares. It's your life. Why do you come here and just bash on others?

There is healing on this site.  We only bash those who treat women poorly; namely MKCorpse, NSD's, and most SD's.

Go get a job. Go do something new.

Did that; love what I'm doing! AND I actually get paid for every hour I work!

It wasn't for you. And that's OK.

Gee, thanks.

But for some of us, it is for us. We're doing it! We're making it! We love our customers, our products, our company.

Continue to read on this site; your love of the products and company will be tested with the truth.

Go make a name for yourself, rather than try to tear down the Mary Kay name. I'm disgusted at those of you who are still consultants who come on this site and bash the company you are a part. I'm disgusted at you former directors who come to this site and are now making a new career out of being anti-Mary Kay. Wouldn't your time be better spent helping address the issue of human trafficking of women and children in this country? Or homelessness or something actually worth while?

As I said, we're doing that.  I have MORE time to volunteer since I don't have to warm-chat everyone I meet.


Ta ta, Sylvia.
The Scribbler   |2009-11-12 13:07:36
Sylvia, I would like to encourage you to read a few of my past articles which explain why the god of Mary Kay and the God of the Bible are not one the same:

http://www.pinktruth. com/index.php?option=com_conte nt&task=view&id=494&Itemid=58
 

http://www.pinktruth.com/in dex.php?option=com_content&tas k=view&id=495&Itemid=58

Now I'm not going to deny that women can and do learn life lessons in MK, but they often come at a very high moral (and often financial) price.  

For example, a director may claim in her I-Story, "My Mary Kay career has made me more self-confident!" Well, how? What sort of work does she do that might make one more self-confident?  

Our director may have gained confidence through the practice of warm-chatting others for bookings and/or interviews, as in "I'm in this contest, see...would you mind being a practice face for me? (insert "sincere" compliment here)!" It's ulterior motive-soaked patter that's peppered with very subtle fibs in the hopes of hooking a booking. But you're gaining confidence, by thunder - confidence at someone else's expense! Hail Mary Kay!

That director may have gained her confidence in SCCs, too; by overcoming selling objections with garbage NSD guidance like, "I promise it’s easier to ask forgiveness than it is permission. Why not go ahead and get what you need now and then you can get the rest later if [your husband]agrees!" THAT one certainly falls in line with Proverbs 31, doesn't it, Sylvia? "Her husband has full confidence in her...she brings him good, and not harm, all the days of her life." It's like the Bible totally copied NSD Rena Tarbet's New Consultant Guide; Selah!

What about gaining confidence through recruiting objections? It's always a possibility when you're telling potentials "Will you help me with my training? I'm just going to share information with you - I'm not going to try and recruit you!" Oh sure, the recruiting interview is supposedly just for "practice," but signing that Agreement will certainly NOT be seen as such! 

Sylvia, hear my heart. Do you think that if God wants to foster growth in you, He will require you to do things contrary to what the Word teaches? Or is He more of a "Find a way, make a way" kind of guy?
onelessSD   |2009-11-12 13:47:32
avatar Sylvia, oh Sylvia! Welcome to the Excellence in Education, otherwise known as Pink Truth University! We are happy you are attending today. Let me introduce myself, I'm Professor OnelessSD (as in no longer a Sales Director) - I held that title for 7 yrs, earned 5 Court of Sales Rings, etc.

So let's hear a little about you:
1. How long have you been in MK?
2. What title do you currently hold?
3. What is your $ average per face?
4. What is your goal? (other than coming on here and trying to slam all of us)

Let's start with those 4 simple questions. I think these are valid questions because it helps us to know what kind of student we have here. We're all about helping you, you know.

Oh, 1 more question, if you are so appalled by us, why do you keep coming back? Just curious.
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