Directors, You Are the 2% That Keeps Dreams Alive

I wish I could contact the gym she changed to - so I could tell the other women RUN RUN RUN AWAY FROM THE woman who is now coming there 15 hours a week because believe me she is NOT putting her business on the back burner those hours she will be talking to every human in the building! RUN RUN RUN!

Poor deluded woman........

By the way - You know I own a legitimate business. I do not have to tell my self over and over that what I do has value, that I help people etc. I think you only have to self talk like that when you have serious doubts and perhaps a niggling of insight into what you are doing is WRONG????? :s

[quote]...Do you know how blessed you are that God chose to work through YOU to touch other women’s lives through Mary Kay? ... Not everyone is trusted by God to make a difference through offering the opportunity to women to change their lives- but you ARE![/quote]
Eww

[quote]We sometimes find ourselves questioning ourselves and our position of Director when we start comparing ourselves with other Directors, cars, production. We must work to have the peace on the inside of us that we are on the journey and God is teaching us lessons along the way. I believe God does not want us to throw away what he has trusted us with when he answered our prayer to become a Director.[/quote]
Ugh! No gun to the head, but that is some serious manipulation. I know you're not making money, but if you quit, you're throwing away a gift from God that you asked for.

[quote]The paycheck of the heart in this business is worth so much more than the money. [/quote]
Right, you don't need to make money at the job you're working so hard at. There's a paycheck of the heart. Just think of all the good you're doing for the world by talking others into selling make-up.

[quote]So let me ask you… are you walking by faith or fear today on your journey? Fear does not come from God and it is doubt, discouragement and it makes us think that we are not good enough Directors.[/quote]
Wait a minute... I think it might be the numbers that are making people think they're not good enough directors. And, you know, seeing people they brought into this business not really being successful or happy with it. Having faith in God, against the weight of evidence, is one thing. Having faith in your career pedaling an "opportunity" to sell make-up, against the weight of evidence, is something else entirely. Blind faith is not a good business policy.

[quote]Faith comes from “trust” that God has us exactly where he wants us to be to mold us into the servant we are meant to be for his kingdom.[/quote]
But what if doing Mary Kay isn't really God's first choice for how we should serve his kingdom?

[quote]Sometimes we don’t feel like working- so that is the time we need to sit down and listen to God through His word and message for us.[/quote]
Oh, there it is. If you aren't doing well, it must be because you don't feel like working. You've lost your passion, so you aren't doing enough. That's not manipulative or anything.

[quote]You must be strong on the inside with faith especially when your unit and your business is not what we want it to be. Remember… this is the time God is molding you.[/quote]
So if you quit because your business isn't doing well and you want to try something else, you weren't strong enough. You didn't have enough faith. That's not manipulative, either.

[quote]Some seasons are strong and some seasons may be that personal issues may take a priority. Be ok on the inside about it and stop the comparison game.[/quote]Oh, so we can't have a "strong season" when personal issues take a priority? But I thought we could have it all with Mary Kay. Career third, and all that? Are we supposed to be ok on the inside when we don't make production, and have to make copays on the car? Should we be ok on the inside when the only way we can hang on to the "gift of God" directorship is to buy it with our own orders of things we don't need?

[quote]You ARE successful if you follow your dreams.[/quote]
So maybe you should ask yourself, "What is it I dream of? Is what I'm doing now really on the path of following my dreams? Or has someone else talked me into thinking Mary Kay should be my dream?"

[quote]If today you are beating yourself down for what you are not accomplishing my prayer for you is that you will decide today that you will open your eyes to the wonderful awesome moments God has given you in your Mary Kay business.[/quote]
There you go. You had a moment that looked like success, didn't you? You remember how good that felt? Why can't you do that again? Of course you shouldn't give up. (Not at all manipulative.)

Only a manipulating, evil woman would write this trash. It sounds like she is desperate to keep her offspring churning and has resorted to pimping God to achieve her personal goals. Hell has a special place for this selfish hateful thing.

Do you know how blessed you are that God chose to work through YOU to touch other women’s lives through Mary Kay?
So, the rest of us are Satan spawn because we aren't/weren't directors? What a stupid, thoughtless thing to even suggest.

Not everyone is trusted by God to make a difference through offering the opportunity to women to change their lives- but you ARE!
NOT TRUSTED BY GOD? Holy crap, this woman truly needs to get her head out of her butt if she really thinks that. GOD loves me for me not because of some title I hold or suit I wear. She really doesn't understand that the only person she is fooling is herself.

We must find joy in our business and count our blessings daily and have a heart of gratefulness for all the warm sister Directors, special women, and friends we are so lucky to have in our lives.
Really? When my former SD found out I was returning product she told me that she felt like she was losing a family member. I guess we were distant cousins since I haven't heard from her since that day almost two years ago.

...I could still work daily to bring in the income for my family while always keeping God first, my health second, family third, and then my work.
Wow! This one even changed the motto to suit her. I wonder what else she's changed as well.

You ARE successful if you follow your dreams.
This is the closest thing to honesty in here entire email.

I have to agree with Pink A. With leadership just a few months away she needs to maintain HER status and the heck with anyone else.

The title Director just sounds cultish.

That is just creepy.

I usually do not comment, but this letter really bothers me on so many levels. Pax said it, she needs to get her head out of her butt!

Unfortunately, from the tone of the letter and the words she uses, I don't think this woman is fooling herself or is brainwashed. I think she knows EXACTLY what she is doing and is doing all she can to hold on to her quickly dissolving unit. So very sad.

I don't know when this letter was written, but I sense some fear from the person that wrote this that there are some serious problems going on inside MK. Perhaps they are losing Directors by the carloads as their IBCs lose faith in the opportunity of MK. Perhaps the chargebacks are getting to them and the garages and basements full of product, the co-pays on their cars, and the amount every month they need to put in to make production has finally kicked some sense into a few who have had enough. The only thing left to do is use God as a weapon to keep them inside the bubble spending more money than they make to do God's will. This is so sad.

Dear Director,

You rightly said, "we are on the journey and God is teaching us lessons along the way."

Precisely so. You are being taught how easily you let go of ethics to gain production.

You are being taught how much you want status.

You are being taught how deceptive you can be by omitting the truth.

You are being taught how you forego that still small voice for the sake of the group and "belonging".

You are being taught that you prefer the praise of (wo)men rather than the praise of God.

You are being taught that your fullness is in "things", acquisitions, status, wealth, goods, instead of peace with God.

And, you are being taught that when faced with the lessons, you would rather write a sentimental email to quiet your mind and rationalize your deeds using God's name to justify it.

God has a name for this: you are a blind guide.

[quote]Not everyone makes it to Director- but you have! Not everyone is trusted by God to make a difference through offering the opportunity to women to change their lives- but you ARE![/quote]
Soooo, where does that leave consultants with God? Are they distrusted by God?
[quote]We must find joy in our business and count our blessings daily and have a heart of gratefulness for all the warm sister Directors, special women, and friends we are so lucky to have in our lives.[/quote]
Yeah, keeping looking girl. Look to the sisterhood etc...b/c if you look at your numbers and/or your credit card statement, you will not find joy there! So look, look I say, look everywhere else, except for where you are supposed to be really looking! :s
[quote]The paycheck of the heart in this business is worth so much more than the money. [/quote]
So if you worked 50 hours a week and had a couple charge backs and that monthly check ended up being $400, for all of that hard work and for the whole month, that check was so worth it b/c it was from the heart??? :s
Whose heart? Maybe if they had a heart, they wouldn't hit you with charge backs? I, mean, that was hours spent working , that just got taken away from you. Just a thought....
[quote]So let me ask you… are you walking by faith or fear today on your journey? Fear does not come from God [/quote]
Right, we know that fear comes from the devil. So if you read the last front page post, a Sales Director was putting fear into other women, to never, never read this site. It will hurt you, cause self doubt and prevent you from becoming successful.
Hmmmm...
[quote]always keeping God first, my health second, family third, and then my work.[/quote]
Would you like to know why they've changed it to health 2nd? Because stress is a killer! :s
[quote]you know by now being chosen by God for this position for leadership by being a Mary Kay Director is not for the weak. [/quote]
There you have it!! She saying that, all of you consultants are pathetic. She claims that consultants are not chosen by God b/c he distrusts you and you are weak. Oh Nice! I'll bet you didn't know that this is how your SD really sees you!
[quote]Some seasons are strong and some seasons may be that personal issues may take a priority. Be ok on the inside about it and stop the comparison game.[/quote]
WHAT? Note: she will never say that those down months are just bad business months...for example...October is usually not a great month. A smart business would tell you to compare your months etc...b/c this will prepare you to, either, be aware of it or do something extra that month so you can try to make it better. Every business has it's good months and bad months (they are "usually" the same months every year, too) and it's not b/c you had personal issues. :s

[quote]Sometimes we don’t feel like working- so that is the time we need to sit down and listen to God through His word and message for us. He will direct you and give you back your passion…. Sometimes it is not immediately but stay in faith and it will return.[/quote]
[quote]If today you are beating yourself down for what you are not accomplishing my prayer for you is that you will decide today that you will open your eyes to the wonderful awesome moments God has given you in your Mary Kay business. Today you can change how you are feeling with action![/quote]
Maybe God is sending you the message that you need to stop and take a good look at your total working hours, wages and expenses. Do not ask your SD. Pray to God and ask him where "He" wants you to be. Your SD is the one telling you that MK is where "God" wants you to be. How does she know that? :s

great morning you incredible women!
omg, omg, omg!!!!

this letter is blatant, emotional abuse of those hurting women she is addressing.

it is total egocentric, arrogance, narcissistic, entitlement of herself using her image of god (which is a false god) to manipulate those she is addressing.

knowing that her god and theirs are not the same but using their trust in her and taking advantage of their faith in god most high........

she is pulling out all her tricks to ensure her DECEMBER PAYCHECK FOR GODS SAKE!

the reason only 2% of women in mk make it to directorship IS BECAUSE THEY DO IT BY DUCKIN AND SLIDIN!
there is no such thing as doing it the mk way and being successful!
only 2 % of the 700,000 women are willing to cheat to make it............and this 2% are directed by other sd that have done the same to make it and keep their units!

when i was a ibc in diq i failed 5 times in my attempt to make sd. dear lurkers and ladies of pt, that is a period of over 2 years!!!
then i finally did it the duckin and slidin way and i made it.

after my 5th failure i gave in and did it "their way"
it worked.
when i got to new sd training rena actuall said she knew how we all got there and to GO HOME AND DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN!

i did.

can anyone verify this????

this is why sold her tapes and videos and now are cds and dvds.

she got tired of duckin and slidin and it was easier to sell tapes and videos and guess what??!!
her style of doin it the mk way was on video!

incredible huh?

her production came from what her videos and tapes did............it motivated the women at her workshops she held all over the usa to order product to have their "parties".............
she is a master!

aight nuff said............

omg omg omg

do what ya can to have a fabulous day!

i am gettin their and it has been cuz of all of YOU!
big hug from san diego,
gotheart

The Great Commission is: "Go make disciples of all men."

Not: "Go make a difference through offering the MK opportunity to women."

Unless the pinkies have a different interpretation of $$great commission$$

yep, Dear Gotheart, you have a witness! I can verify it.
So, if I am a director and circumstances are less than rosy, I am supposed to wander the biblical "forty years" in the pink wilderness because I am "CHOSEN" and God is trying to teach me some lesson??
What is the opposite of "lesson"?

This makes me sick. I actually had a negative spiritual feeling reading this. I don't think God cares one way or another about Mary kay, and it is sick to bring His name into one's business.

Her little bit about going to a gym is funny to me. I am a marathoner and was actually told by my SD and SSD that I needed to give that up if I really wanted to be a director. When I told them marathoning was my life, they shrugged, looked discusted and said I must not be serious about my business. Is that God-like behavior???

About those 15 hours at the gym...what??

She must be like me and gained too many unwanted pounds while "working her business" :s

She must not have a life outside MK...

holycow!!!!!
That was frickin brilliant!!!!!!

You are right Gotheart!
Heck, NSDs and top directors make a boatload of cash selling their CDs and DVDs to the unsuspecting masses. That's the way it is in all MLMs. Money is made on supposed "training materials" to their downlines! Remember the Amway scandal? There you have it. Another proof that Mary Kay Cosmetics is an MLM!

As far as the title of this article, it should be "Directors, you are the top 2% that keeps the LIE alive".

Come out from among them, and be ye separate! Out of context I know, but that is the thought that occured to me. There is no peace, only continual desperation inside Mary Kay for Sales Directors and IBCs alike.

And by the way, if you are looking for a paycheck of the heart, don't scam your consultants, clients and each other with lies and manipulations! Just a thought.....

If this author had not referred to herself as a Director, I would have sworn it came from the poison pen of Ms. Sham Paw! Sounds just like her Christian brand of manipulation!
What a Big Fat Pink Load, if you know what I mean! :s

I'm still stuck on Gotheart going through DIQ 5 times. Gotheart, my heart goes out to you for what you had to endure during those two years. I can't even imagine the stress of it all.

Believe me, those NSDs don't want anything to do with recruiting or selling MK. Yea, the CDs and DVDs have made their life so much easier. Just sell some manipulation on a CD. I still think of Linda Toupin's Choices that I listened to over and over and over again. Kept wondering why she was just so successful and I wasn't!

[quote]The paycheck of the heart in this business is worth so much more than the money.[/quote]

She has to use this line because she knows her downline is not making any money...so this is their reward ...a paycheck of the heart.

BTW - I heard directors and IBC's alike say that they would work this business for free because they love this business so much.

Who is dumb enough to work for free? Even in the Bible there is no mention of working for free!

Basically, she's saying "You can't quit because that would make Baby Jesus cry."

God chose to work through YOU to touch other women’s lives through Mary Kay?...

Not everyone is trusted by God to make a difference through offering the opportunity to women to change their lives...

I believe God does not want us to throw away what he has trusted us with when he answered our prayer to become a Director...

The devil of discouragement would have stolen my dreams...

God intends me to mentor through Mary Kay...

...being chosen by God for this position...


Wow! This must be a new idea God had. I don't remember him using women in the Bible (Esther, Mary, etc.) to sell Mary Kay.

I cannot even begin to describe the feeling of nausea I got when I read this. I believe it's what the Bible refers to as "discernment" and "testing the spirits".

The first time I expressed my desire to quit MK to my Director, she told me to think about all of the women I have been able to share my faith with so far. Then she asked me "If you hadn't been in Mary Kay, would you have shared your faith with this many women?" and my response was "no", and she said "Well, there's your answer".

I rationalized staying in by thinking it was the only way I could share my faith with so many people. I was self-deceived. My intention was not to share my faith, it was to make money selling "Christian" women products.

My paycheck of the heart is what I lovingly do for my husband and children. Yes, I get paid over and over again with their love and support for what I do.

And there will be a new award at Seminar:

The Order of the Blessed Martyrs of Mary Kay ... for those who went bankrupt and divorced in the service of Her Holy Company of Cosmetics, those who were most diligent in leading women to fulfillment in the path of the Foundress.

Mary Kay is my Leader, I shall not be in want.
She restores my soul.
She guides me with scripts of recruiting
for profit's sake.
Even though I browse
through the pages of negative Pink Truth,
I will read no evil,
for she is with me;
Her lies and her staff,
they blindeth me.
Surely goodness and love will follow me
all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the house of Mary Kay
forever.

Lazy, that rocks!

Holycow - Raisin was so right- that was brilliant insight on your part! I'm sure the pinkies have a different interpretation of the great commi$$ion - their commi$$ion! That's it in a nutshell - and it's so sad. Freshie - I too thought this was coming from Ms. Shaw's pen. It does sound like her verbage, so maybe from one of her offsprings. (they only repeat what they hear from her!)

As I was reading this - I kept thinking of how in the past I might have written something like this to my unit to keep them moving - to keep them believing - to keep them ordering. I had much to ask forgiveness for - and have, but it still leaves a sick feeling in my stomach any time I read something like this. Wow, I've come a long ways from where I was. Thanks PT!

All I have to say is, this is classic manipulation tactics from high up Directors to their offspring to keep them believing in this pipe-dream. To keep them moving mindlessly along, not ever evaluating their businesses, not ever giving it a critical eye, not ever questioning, not ever doubting - because that is equivalent to sin = unbelief. Good grief - who ever wrote this is in deep, and will use anything to keep those around her blind and believing - even God's word taken out of context and manipulated to perpetuate her selfish purpose.

Lazy - that is so true. That just breaks it down to it's root, and exposes what a nasty weed it is.

"Not everyone is trusted by God to make a difference through offering the opportunity to women to change their lives- but you ARE!"

And how, pray tell, are directors being taught to make this life-changing difference in the lives of others?

"This business is a numbers game! Cream rises to the top! [Dacia] interviews as many as she can, signs as many as she can, motivating her unit by example alone!" ~From the document, "10 Things Dacia Did to Move Up."

So remember, friends, God's trusting you to plow (and teach others to plow) through legions of women in the hopes of finding a handful to shoulder those production quotas.

She uses the word "dreams" at 5 times in this letter.
[quote]I pray that you proactively choose faith today and trust God to lead you on your journey in Mary Kay and that he will show you how you can blend your life and follow your dreams while being a Director.
...
The devil of discouragement would have stolen my dreams and all the years I built in this business.
...
Give yourself permission to follow your dreams while being a Mary Kay Director- that is what Mary Kay intended
...
You ARE successful if you follow your dreams. Be grateful that your Mary Kay business allows you the freedom to adjust your schedule however you want!
...
Know you are meant to be a Director and don’t ever lose your dream! [/quote]
You would think the only thing women dream about is peddling make-up. Yeesh! I have been talking about this over on the discussion boards, but I know not everyone goes there, so I thought I would mention it here, too. There's a blog called [url]http://www.8womendream.com/[/url], that has regular people helping each other to achieve their dreams, and none of them involve MLM.

Good grief!! Again this outrageous notion that somehow God has specially annointed Mary Kay and sanctions it unto himself.

So God only loves and blesses the 2% apparently? :s

[quote]Do you know how blessed you are that God chose to work through YOU to touch other women’s lives through Mary Kay? Not everyone makes it to Director- but you have! Not everyone is trusted by God to make a difference through offering the opportunity to women to change their lives- but you ARE [/quote]

[quote]I believe God does not want us to throw away what he has trusted us with when he answered our prayer to become a Director.[/quote]

[quote]trust God to lead you on your journey in Mary Kay and that he will show you how you can blend your life and follow your dreams while being a Director.[/quote]

[quote]So let me ask you? Are you willing to stay in faith that God blessed you to the position to Director for a reason? [/quote]

[quote]my prayer for you is that you will decide today that you will open your eyes to the wonderful awesome moments God has given you in your Mary Kay business.[/quote]

AUGH!

Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God John 1:12

It doesn't say "to those who signed an MK agreement and become a director" he gave that right - but to all. I have been out of MK several years now. I am just going to say it. I honestly have come to the conclusion that Satan uses just this type spiritual manipulation to distract women and mess up their priorities. A Mary Kay "business" becomes a false idol in many many women's lives and they don't even realize it. It makes them believe they are fulfilling God's purpose for them and doing His work. In reality they become 100% devoted to Mary Kay which means not to God.

A final word:
"Unless the Lord builds the house,
those who build it labor in vain.
Unless the Lord watches over the city,
the watchman stays awake in vain.
It is in vain that you rise up early
and go late to rest, eating the bread of anxious toifor he gives to his beloved sleep."

I am mostly a lurker here but I couldn't help but to be appalled enough by this post to comment. They way this woamn is using the name of God to manipulate other women to continue in Mary Kay isn't just sick, it's sinful. I like to think that God cares more about things other than Mary Kay in the world and whenhe is givng out life missions for people to complete in his name that none of them involve Mary Kay. I think Mary Kay finds every way possible to prey on women and to use thier faith agaisnt them is one of the lowest things they do. I have recently lost a friend of 8 years to Mary Kay. She kept calling me asking me to join, every converstaion we had she brought it up...I finally told her I would never join and hate everything the company stands for and not to ask me again.

I tried to call her a couple times since then and she won't answer or return my calls. I can only assume her director told her to cut out all people who don't support her business (if you can call it that..) I just hopes she doesn't come running back to me once she is burned out and comes out of the pink fog, because I won't be there!

She also informed me last April that she lost $2,000 working for Mary Kay that year. I asked her why she would contiune to work there and she said it's a part of building her business. I just don't understand how she can't do the math. Her biggest month was $2,200 dollars...half of that being $1,100 which is $275 a week and slightly more then I make working 20 hours a week at a job with paid vacation and full benefits. Most months she makes $500 wholesale! I just don't understand it...well, I guess if you pray to God hard enough and prey on women long enough you will build your business enough to afford the gas you put in your car to get from all those "spa parties."

The letter was disgusting. I heard so much arrogance and using God like that irratates me. How do we even think we know what God wants? And how arrogant that this woman keeps cramming it down throats about how she is given the MK crap as a gift from God to touch womans' lives. Give it a break!!!

[quote]We sometimes find ourselves questioning ourselves and our position of Director when we start comparing ourselves with other Directors, cars, production.[/quote]
Sounds to me like Directors are bitching to one another about how hard they are working and still getting nowhere. Nothing will collapse the tottery pyramid faster than open discussions about the problems that face directors every day.

So she's bringing in [color=red]GOD[/color] to tell you to keep on slogging for [color=red]GOD[/color] because otherwise you will fry in hell for ignoring [color=red]GOD[/color]! This GOD is not to be confused with the ordinary Christian deity, because her GOD has an inordinate belief in salvation through frontloading and recruiting.

I just had a mental image of this woman sacrificing small children to some Mary Kay alter while her recruits stand around chanting...

What a manipulative letter. Boy, she's going to have some s'plainin' to do. I'm so glad PT is here to counter this kind of wretched pink-speak.

And, another thing...in her letter she states that directors are the top 2% in the MK pyramid....I thought this company was supposed to be where woman can make that "big girl" money...but yet the directors are only the top 2%? If this was really the company for woman making something and being a success...wouldn't that number be higher than a measly 2%? It has already been proven, time and again by real math, that the vast majority of directors are barely making it. $24,000 a year (or whatever the average is)...that is NOT "big girl" pay. And that is the 2% that woman are breaking their banks, lives, families for? Thanks, but no thanks.

If a woman can spend 15 hours a week at the gym, she doesn't have a family. She has to have a cleaning lady and live a totally primadonna lifestyle. I have a family and I can't spend 15 hours a week at gardening or grocery shopping or socializing with friends. The MK SD in the above letter to other MK SDs, doesn't have a life. The letter is just pink propaganda.

BTW - I heard directors and IBC's alike say that they would work this business for free because they love this business so much.

Who is dumb enough to work for free? Even in the Bible there is no mention of working for free!


Well that explains why they all say how wonderful the MK way is, they are doing it for free!!!

I agree with all of you. This is just outrageous manipulation. Its just disgusting to me!

I've been a Christian longer than most of these women have been alive & this is blatant ignorance.

btw - I still haven't posted the story about my harassing MK neighbor. Hubby is still a little uneasy about it being on the internet. we'll see.

She was still doing her cheer leading, prom queen smiling craziness for all to see this weekend & her Mk biz is practically nothing!

"This GOD is not to be confused with the ordinary Christian deity, because [this director's] GOD has an inordinate belief in salvation through frontloading and recruiting."

Always worth a repeat and a big ol' AMEN.

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It occurs to me that if they truly want to represent MK as being sanctioned by God (at least that's how I read them)...

Then they should not allow debt because God tells us the the "borrower is slave to the lender" so that means no orders on credit.

Sort of lets the sail out of the frontloading balloon, doesn't it?

[quote]Do you know how blessed you are that God chose to work through YOU to touch other women’s lives through Mary Kay?[/quote]

More like Satanchose you to do his work.

Oh and this is SHAMEFUL. Way to distort Christianity.

Kirads09 wrote:
[quote]I honestly have come to the conclusion that Satan uses just this type spiritual manipulation to distract women and mess up their priorities. A Mary Kay "business" becomes a false idol in many many women's lives and they don't even realize it. It makes them believe they are fulfilling God's purpose for them and doing His work. In reality they become 100% devoted to Mary Kay which means not to God.[/quote]

I believe you just hit the nail on the head.

Mary Kay reminds me of listening to the Evangelical Christians on TV who have their Praise-a-Thon (Send me Money-a-Thon). They speak in tongues (whatever!) and dance and parade around all the while babbling about sowing a seed and God will bless them, or something like that. I watch it sometimes just for laughs, but I often wonder how people can get so wrapped up in these programs and send in money to these thieves who are living extravagant lifestyles, all the while laughing all the way to the bank. Kind of reminds me of GMB and her "I need $1200 wholesale." Huh!

If you are a Christian, you don't need to send money some TV station to be blessed.

Not only was this director drinking 150-proof pink kool-aid while freebasing pink crack, she was chomping on pink mushrooms while turning pages in the kaybonics dictionary.

But she did go easy on the punctuation for the remaining 98% of us.

This type of writing (the letter from the SD) is what is keeping the cult alive!

this was on my heart

'nuff said.

The number of times she used God in that letter was disgusting--becuase of the WAY she is talking about Him. She's using His Word and making up crap about His character to push people into this garbage more and more. People like her make me embarrassed to be a Christian.

/rant.

Letters like this routinely circulate through the ranks of Directorship. Then we are told to cut and paste and personalize them out to our career path consultants. Gloria said she changes the names, and basicaly copies whatever good message or newsletter comes her way.

The next time somebody says to us "Nobody held a gun to your head"...we need to remember and remind them of this kind of indoctrination. When a woman's life LOOKS blessed, and she APPEARS happy, and successful, and TALKS a good came about what GOD is doing in her life, IT is VERY EASY for a seeking-type person to swallow the indoctrination, and follow in blind trust. Add the "never be negative" component and she will be trapped for a long time, until she catches a lie.

stinkinpinkthinkin wrote:
[quote]This type of writing (the letter from the SD) is what is keeping the cult alive![/quote]

Gosh, this is so true! After I read that, I needed to lay my head, on my desk, for a moment. When I think about all those women, being preyed upon right now, that do not even realize it b/c their being brainwashed, with constant words and letters like the one above, it makes me sick to my stomach.
I also think about all of the unsuspecting women that will soon be tricked, lied to and deceived into MK. The thought that they may have that void in their life, at the moment, and will think that MK is the answer. They will trust this predator that's posing as a great, successful Christian women. ....I need to rest my head, again.

hunniebunnie Thanks for sharing with us! It's really great to know that our readers do understand why we are on this site and why we try so hard to warn others. I'm sure you have seen it already, but we do get MKers on here that slam us and defend this behavior. It puts us in a difficult position b/c we know that they are most likely brainwashed. These women come into the company already with a void, they are told to shun others that do not "believe", they listen to no one else but them, they get bombarded with e-mails like that one, they start listening to only MK CDs of the same nature and they end up surrounded by onlywomen with this behavior. Once they've eliminated/shunned all of the others, in their lives, they are left repeatedly subjected to stuff like this, over and over and over again. They quickly become brainwashed. That's how it happens.
Thanks again for sharing!

The saddest part to this is the fact that MK uses anything and everything to brainwash you. Right now we have a case in the headlines of a woman who was kidnapped at a young age and after years of brainwashing was believing that her kidnapper was her savior. The young woman in Utah who was kidnapped and was in public but never called for help because she was thankful she was alive. This is why your director wants to know as much about you as possible so she can prey on you most vulnerable weaknesses. She will bring in the troops to pump you up with false promises and goals to further herself. The only thing she cares about is how much you can do to help her. When you are no longer able to be manipulated she will drop you and then ridicule you for being a loser, not a team player and then will move on to her next victim. It really is sad and criminal what MK is doing to people in the name of womanhood, God, etc.
I will also do my best to educate people to the dangers of MK in everything I do.

Lurkers, if you have ever wondered why the lazy loosers at PT have such disdain for Mary Kay, the company, here is but one prime example. This is not the rantings of one lone bad apple. This is something that goes on constantly is this wacked out company. This overused tactic is vile, disgusting and reprehensible, yet it is condoned and commended by MK Corporate.

Ask yourself if this is something you want to be doing for the rest of your life. Cuz, honey, this is what it takes to be "successful" in Mary Kay Cosmetics.

Lazy, your "The Order of the Blessed Martyrs of Mary Kay" affirmation is perfect. Don't be surprised if it shows up on Intouch one of these days.

stinkinpink...isn't it funny that when faced with an obstacle, Mary Kay's saying is "that you can judge a woman by what it takes to stop her.." and underlying that is that SATAN is the one dealing the obstacle...

"new level new devil"..everybody remember this one?

It never occurs to anyone that the BIG STOP to what you are doing might be a GOD ordained kinda thing...it's ALWAYS the prince of darkness!

So when you are winning your car, and 2 people short, and asking everyone produces no results...Mary Kay training would be find a way or make a way...not

You tried, you learned, begin again and be proud of yourself.

This Director never questions why she isnt getting results, WHY she felt the impact of reading this site, Why "doubts" are occuring...She never even considers it might be GOD whispering to her conscience! No it has to be THE DESTROYER!!!!

I hope everyone lurking is beginning to see that when you have brain washing like this, where anything "negative" to the Corporate goal has to be demonic...YOU ARE IN the middle of DEEP cult manipulation.

Me thinks I smell a rat! :s Why would a suckcessful Drektor need a parttime job? If she is making executive income? Also, if she was making so much money she would not need to use God or other women to reach her monetary goals. It just goes to show what a load of boloney the whole "Quit your job and make executive income is!!!"

"One last thing… you know by now being chosen by God for this position for leadership by being a Mary Kay Director is not for the weak. You must be strong on the inside with faith especially when your unit and your business is not what we want it to be."

I am not into this God stuff, but this seems strange to me. MK is selling makeup.... how could this be a profession where one is doing so much good that "God" has chosen them. MK is shallow in the heart because it teaches womyn (how I spell it) that they are not beautiful unless they have ten pounds of makeup on! Every single MK Director has a mask on and if they wash it off they will find the true person underneath.......what will that look like?

Hmmph. Ever notice how "God" always chooses those with credit cards to be directors?

This is sickening! I went to one Career Conference and was shocked when they'd play video of Mary Kay Ash and EVERYONE would stand up and cheer everytime they'd play her. I remember thinking "This is a cult!" We weren't even allowed to go onstage during breaks to take pictures because we hadn't "earned" it. My hubby noticed a change in me after I started MK, saying I was always stressed and angry and that it was going to consume me. The final straw was when I went to an NSD function where the NSD said I HAD to put my children in DayCare in order to do MK right-I joined to get MORE time with my kids, not less. I got out not long after that. I shredded every bit of Mary Kay profile cards and receipts yesterday, which was the last of it (I hope). My little ones helped me and had so much fun while watching those bits of paper grind into nothing-I enjoyed it even more than they did! Can't wait to shred the credit card that all the debt is on. Glad I got out when I did-I am so much happier.

This is sickening! I went to one Career Conference and was shocked when they'd play video of Mary Kay Ash and EVERYONE would stand up and cheer everytime they'd play her. I remember thinking "This is a cult!" We weren't even allowed to go onstage during breaks to take pictures because we hadn't "earned" it.

ewwwwwwwwwwww

I was grossed out reading this letter. My Southern Baptist upbringing kicked in and I knew exactly what this director would be called: a false prophet. I no longer subscribe to my old religion because many of the preachers, pastors, and ministers lead bigoted campaigns against entire groups of people: non-heterosexuals, unmarried young adults, and progressive politicians. The same rhetoric from this director smacks of the same hate- and fear-filled motives. She is no better than a greedy televangelist!

I signed my MK agreement on September 16, 2009. Now I wish I hadn't. I feel silly for listening to so many CDs and DVDs already, but I had the dream of quitting my part-time job front and center. I am so thankful for Pink Truth. Thank you so much for helping me realize the serious inconsistencies within the MK World.

Wow, congrats, GretchenM! So glad you found PT. And a bellydance instructor to boot. That sounds way more fun than selling makeup.

"Sometimes we don’t feel like working- so that is the time we need to sit down and listen to God through His word and message for us. He will direct you and give you back your passion…. Sometimes it is not immediately but stay in faith and it will return."

Oh, barf, there was a time that I would have agreed with this through my tears,
but now I think that we lost our passion for our directorship because we KNEW WE WERE NOT ENRICHING WOMEN'S LIVES.

This type of statement is manipulation at it's best, to tell disappointed MK women that it is definately God's will for them to be in the business, no matter if they want to be or not.

This is wrong on so many levels that I'm appalled and ashamed that years ago I would have agreed to this nonsense.

"you know by now being chosen by God for this position for leadership by being a Mary Kay Director is not for the weak."
OMG! It has nothing to do with "being chosen by God" but everything to do with getting your life completely out of balance while going through DIQ, and it's how many women you can get to signup and put large unneeded inventory orders on their credit card!!!!

Hey, "Mypuddin" don't shred the credit card statement yet, have you looked into returning all the inventory you've ordered in the past 12 months? You'd get 90% back to pay onto your credit card.

For all you ladies that pray, let's pray for the poor women at this director's gym, that they won't have to
endure her warm chatting and begging to "be a model at my meeting" BS.

Most women go to a gym to get away from distractions and just work out, not be bugged by Miss MK.

saucylady-yes, I've returned everything and got my blue check (thank the good Lord). I used the money to pay the credit card. I sold everything I could to pay off the debt (section 2 products went on eBay) but I still owe about $800.00 on it which should be paid off by the end of the year (I got a no interest for one year card). I feel foolish, but this will always be a reminder to beware.

I didn't know Joel Osteen was a Mary Kay Director

Welcome, GretchenM! And I am so thankful you did your research and found out so quickly about this scam! I wish I would have taken my time and gone with my gut! It's never too late to get out-thankfully you realized before the credit cards, loans, etc. creep up on you!

My SD was such a MASTER manipulator. her hubby was a youth pastor and she'd use this to gain trust and even when he was no longer employed as such, she'd continue to call herself a "pastor's wife" as if this gave her some credibility that she would not have otherwise. She was the MASTER at making the unit feel bad if we didn't support her quest for the cadillac or place orders when she was going for a unit club or whatever. She'd talk about EVERYONE behind their backs, spewing all of the details of their personal lives that they'd shared in private. And she had the NERVE to call herself a Christian. Practically forcing people to go to those ridiculous seminars and conferences so she'd look good with a brood behind her. What an ass I was for allowing someone to control me and my emotions like this . I am so embarrased.

welcome to PT, nolongeraheart

We know exactly how you feel. Try not to feel embarrassed. You just trusted someone that you shouldn't have, that was very good at taking advantage of people. When you realize how well trained they are at it and you realize how many others this has happened to, you will not feel so foolish b/c it's happened to so many. It's not about how smart you are but more about how well trained and evil they are.

Hope you stick around. There's a lot to learn here. It will also help to make you feel better. The more you understand the better you will feel.

My God is eternal and does not have a shelf life.