This Is My Last Visit to Pink Truth

This is actually my first visit to this website and most assuredly my  last. I did however have a few things to say. Whether or not they’re posted, that remains to be seen.

I’m intrigued at the rhetoric and anger on this site. In my humble opinion it seems a shame. There is a great deal of passion and excitement expressed here. I hope you will all find peace and solace and can find a way to channel this powerful energy in a more positive way, in some other aspect of your life.

Yes, I am a Mary Kay consultant. I have a college degree and I am a high school social studies teacher. Most of the women I am priviledged to know and work with in my National Area are also college educated and not by any means in a “fog.”

Listen, you all have your individual experiences with Mary Kay that for one reason or another lead you here. I think it’s naive for anyone, whether a MK faithful or otherwise to believe any international company doesn’t suffer it’s abuses. No company, coporation or business for that matter is perfect and free from criticism. In addition, were talking about the sales industry. This type of door-to-door technique has been around for centuries. It’s not a new concept.

Here at Pink Truth It’s all the same, “the evil MLM.” I mean come on with some of this stuff you guys are complaining about. Every company whose main fiscal focus is centered around retail sales, tirelessly trains it’s salesforce to sell the product to make it sound like the best thing to hit the market and to entice the public away from the competitor. You call it misleading, I think that’s really subjetive. If we are to follow the logic of Pink Truth, then turn off your TVs, your radios, don’t read another newspaper or magazine ad! I mean seriously we are a nation of consumerism. The public has to be able to filter out what it does and does not believe.

Every skin care company from Esteé Lauder and Revlon to Mary Kay and Benefit makes various claims about their products. Are they all real? Who knows. If you believe it though and are happy, then ignorance is bliss right? Isn’t that what we really trust in everyday when making a purchase? We’re not little scientists with some at home lab that can break down the moleculer structure of Pine Sol and figure out definatively it’s better or worse than Lysol.

Let’s talk about “recruting.” I served in the US Navy for 6 years. Do you think the US military has ever gone out into the general public and said to the youth of America and their parents, “Hey join the Army we’re so desperate for bodies and I need you to join ASAP so I can make my quota this month and oh yeah, did I mention you’ll probaby die in war.” Be pratical people! Any and every headhunter or talent scout in America is going to give “the pitch” to a potential new hire.

If you open up your own flower delivery service are you going to put yourself out there publically and proclaim, “Well, I really don’t know the business that well, but hey I think I can do a good job for you. I really haven’t made a ton of money yet and really have no staff, but you can count on me.”?Be serious! You’re going to puff up your business and your accomplishments.

I don’t think anyone here is a loser, nor do I believe the fine women who weren’t successful with this venture didn’t work hard enough. My mother always said, “If we knew how to be better we would be, if we knew how to do better we would.”

All I would like to leave you with is this, Mary Kay has it’s flaws and it’s shady people, that’s life. What facet of life isn’t filled with a number of creeps? Jobs, schools, athletics, showbiz, corporations, governments, chrurchs, temples, you name it they’re everywhere. You can’t avoid them. What you can do is rise above it and be an example for others to follow. As a political activist I would love to see all this anger and passion directed toward real issues and real problems. If “busting big business” is your thing aren’t there bigger fish to fry? How about the oil industry? I was intrigued by a posting where this women was bragging about her nice shiny SUV and why would she take that stupid MK car. I drive a really nice car too, but that extra money in my pocket sure sounds nice. If I win and lose it, oh well that’s life baby! You can’t take it with you anyway, so lighten up a little ladies, huh?

To the originator of this webite, take care because you also tread on dangerous ground. You may find you’re not so slick after all! I wouldn’t be shocked to read about the lawsuit confronting you someday soon!


  1. BestDecision

    Since you admit you’re not even a Director, you haven’t led a unit for over a DECADE of MK lying and saying they don’t do animal testing. You haven’t sat in the audience at Leadership Conference and been scolded for how few personal recruits you’ve added in a year. You haven’t produced over half of your Cadillac maintenance production and had to pay the FULL $900 monthly payment. You haven’t felt what it’s like to sell a box of $70 facial masks to unit members who are struggling to even find someone to buy a basic skin care set. You haven’t had to convince unit members who are financially strapped that they need to spend more money to go to a January Jumpstart and then Career Conference with a hotel cost.

    Like you, I’m college educated. The skills I learned getting my degree include critical thinking, which is what far too many still in MK don’t use.

    Just remember this: Directors make up the top 1% of MK (according to NSD Dacia Wiegandt). That means 99% of the sales force aren’t making even $1,000/month net income. Red Jackets are the top 6%, which means 94% of the company has fewer than 3 team members. Exactly how is that oozing success?

  2. MultiLevelMoneylosing

    I’m impressed with the spelling and grammar in this email! Good job! But this “Girl Boss” is turning a blind eye to the differences between MLM and the other businesses she mentions. My mother worked retail for many years, but she never had a to take the risk of purchasing the product up front or placing orders to be an “active consultant.” Neiman Marcus paid her to sell, she didn’t pay them for the privilege.

    Also, I’m disturbed that a Social Studies teacher would want for someone to use the law to shut down a website that she disagrees with. Whatever happened to “I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it” as a key value in our country? No wonder our millennials are in such a state.

    Warning women with few skills and even less money off the MLM scam is a noble mission, not “bitterness.” Thanks for doing it, PinkTruth.

    1. Karen S.

      “Also, I’m disturbed that a Social Studies teacher would want for someone to use the law to shut down a website that she disagrees with.”

      Thank you. Extremely disturbing. Maybe she could rephrase her comments.

    1. roo2

      hahaha, amen! also there was a thing called a draft before this girl was born…

      You know I love the critics of Pink Truth… Do you think an actual big business is on, Facebook, or Yelp telling unhappy customers to quit being negative about their business?? Also, the only people Mary Kay HQ has to keep happy is the real customer, this poor unfortunate soul that wrote this email.

  3. Char

    How arrogant and ignorant at the same time. At least she admits she didn’t do her due diligence and thoroughly third-party investigate what she’s now involved with. One visit, Lol.

    To the author: Yes, we activists are very angry. We are sick and tired of the scam known as MLM. We are trying to do something about it and warn unsuspecting marks – like you. I personally like exposing this particular MLM scam because I’m a woman, and that’s who MK targets. That would be you again! Since it’s a con, you just don’t know you’re a mark yet. Funny how confidence tricks work.

    You can thank us later for trying to warn you when you come out of the fog.

  4. NayMKWay

    I want to address a couple of points in this letter, because they come up a lot:

    1. (Paraphrasing) “All companies make exaggerated claims about their products to make sales.” Yes, that’s often true, but that’s not what we’re taking Mary Kay to task for. Mary Kay (and other MLMs) are not in the business of selling products; they are selling hope. They lie about the opportunity to convince people to sign up and spend lots of money, getting as much as they can before the victim washes out, on average in about 6 months. That’s evil, and it needs to stop.

    2. (Paraphrasing again) “Not all MLMs are bad.” This echoes an argument someone named “Scott” had with Tracy on her corporate site, Scott, defending some travel MLM (I think it was World Ventures), said Tracy believed all MLMs were bad, and therefore her confirmation bias prevented her from rendering an objective opinion. (Of course, Scott’s relationship with an MLM had NO effect on his judgement!)

    Scott’s statement got me to thinking: are all MLMs bad? Is it possible to create an MLM that offers a genuine opportunity all of its recruits? After a few minutes of analysis, I concluded the answer is “no.” The reason is simple: endless recruiting.

    Any company can only offer a living wage to a finite number of people. Therefore a legitimate company limits the number of hires to what it can afford. MLMs use endless-chain recruiting, and the only limit is how many people can be talked into it. As the number of recruits grows, the available income per recruit inevitably flattens out; the market can only get so big. As the income per recruit flattens out, people drop out, and soon the recruit rate and dropout rate roughly match. And that’s where the “filling a bathtub with the drain open” model kicks in. This near-steady-state situation can last for decades, making a broken model look legit because it’s been around for so long. Say “hello” to Tupperware, Amway, Mary Kay…

    The settling point where recruiting and dropout rates nearly match seems to average about $1,000 to $2,000 in corporate sales per recruit. If the sales per recruit is greater than that, and sign-up costs are low, the sales force will grow until that point is reached. No one can live on that, but a handful of sales here and there may keep them trying for awhile before they drop out and need to be replaced.

    Anytime you have unlimited recruiting you will have too many mouths munching on the same pie. On average, everyone loses, but the MLM structure is set up so a very few succeed. Those few are touted as models to copy so you can reach the same level, which is nearly impossible; most recruits get screwed.

    Sometimes people on Reddit post a question, “Is this company MLM? So-and-so is trying to get me to join, but I think it may be a scam.” I always tell them to ask one question of their would-be recruiter: “If I join, can I create my own team?” If they say “yes,” it’s a scam. Run the other way.

    1. Char

      Well said. Mind if I elaborate too?

      “2. (Paraphrasing again) “Not all MLMs are bad.” – Multi-level marketing has one practical definition and is not an entity. Similar examples: Is all cheating bad…..robbing, murdering, drowning, lying, etc.? Of course it is. Their statement doesn’t even make grammatical sense. “Not all multi-level marketing’s are bad?” Lol

      “Is it possible to create an MLM that offers a genuine opportunity all of its recruits?” – Not if the MLM company uses MLM. 😝

      “On average, everyone loses, but the MLM structure is set up so a very few succeed.” – Yep, and the part most people miss is that the successful ones can only get there by scamming others. So, it’s not only that the percentage is so small, it’s also how they do it.

      *I feel strongly that these particular explanations have been missing over the years. Thanks for spreading the word.

      1. NayMKWay

        Thank you, Char, and if you’ll indulge me in a little mutual admiration society, your observations and insights are quite keen and on point. Especially your wise counsel to those who only want to dabble in Mary Kay: “I’ll just support my customers,” they’ll say. Hey, here’s an idea, direct your customers elsewhere and do all you can to weaken this company instead of indulging it. Don’t claim you’re not a bank robber just because all you did was drive the getaway car. Evil is evil, and complicity is complicity.

        It was only while I was commenting earlier that it occurred to me why most of the older MLM companies have about the same annual sales per consultant: $1k-2k (note: that is corporate sales, not necessarily sales to customers). It has to be non-zero to entice people in; there are some sales, after all, and early recruits get encouraged by pity sales to stay in for awhile longer. But if it gets much higher that $1-2k per person per year, more people are going to get greedy and sign up. The MLM opportunity always looks better than it is, and it seems to take that $1-2k to make it look just good enough.

        Average sales are never enough to earn a living, but just enough to look like maybe you could earn a living if you just worked hard enough. The reality is: hard work is no guarantee of success in MLM; it only increases your odds a trifle. The main ingredient is luck, as Tracy has pointed out in other articles. You have to be lucky enough to recruit a few strong people, and they have to have equal good fortune. So it’s really more like a lottery, where hard work is the equivalent of buying more tickets. Work as hard as humanly possible, but you’ll still have a better chance of dying in a canoe accident than making it big in MLM.

      2. SW

        Indeed, even if we leave market saturation for products alone, as long as there is recruiting as a source of profit for people joining the company, there are people who haven’t recovered their investment, because that’s what it takes for someone to recover theirs: add more new people. There’s always someone on the bottom level, no matter how many move up from it. Even if The number of people available for recruiting had been infinite, it would have been an infinite “you pay the company, the company pays me”.

    2. SpaceMonkeyMafia

      Very Well said. This young lady seems to be one of the nicer critics, out of all of the letters I’ve read. I do hope she eventually sees the light.

      The only other things I would like to add are….
      1) She keeps suggesting that those on Pinktruth use the platform for what she views as more ‘worthwhile’ endeavours. Like another poster stated, not only is the site here to help prevent financial abuses/scamming targeted at women, but Mary Kay was not just arbitrarily selected as the target for this site. It’s a personal passion for the creators and many members, since they were personally harmed and witnessed the injustices within that company. No one starts a protest project against something just chosen at random.

      2) Also as another poster stated, I find it personally disgusting that anyone suggest that someone consider censoring their opinions on something, or fear a lawsuit. Pinktruth is a very concise, well researched, and fair open platform. They collect and make availible any documentation, evidence, and records that they can obtain. And negative information that is posted is all pretty much personal accounts and opinions. In the interest of unbiased fairness, they also allow critics, and those who disagree with the sites purpose to post as well. I do not see how any of the content on here could be viewed as legal Slander or Libel. We are heading tword a generation that thinks they should be able to force anyone who says something they don’t like to be silenced. The 1st Ammendment Right is sacred and grants us much greater protectons than many people realize. We must always uphold it, even when it means hearing things that we don’t like. As soon as we start allowing ANY censorship, it will be the start of a dangerous slide down a very slippery slope.

  5. Neverpink

    “To the originator of this webite [sic], take care because you also tread on dangerous ground. You may find you’re not so slick after all! I wouldn’t be shocked to read about the lawsuit confronting you someday soon!”

    Tracy, is she making threats against you?

  6. Lazy Gardens

    It’s not sales we object to, it’s the MLM business model that ensures failure.

    Unlimited recruiting chains ensure too many sellers for the buyer numbers.

    Required “activity” (purchases) to get commissions ensures too much inventory.

    Multiple levels of payouts increase the price with no benefit to the user. Yes, you may have replaced the “middleman” on the distribution side, but there are layers upon layers collecting their cut of the purchase price.


    A) spelling
    B) Revlon employee isn’t trying to recruit me. The opposite actually. She wants me as a customer
    C) Shady tactics like not telling people what the “opportunity” actually is or putting out blind ads like “who are my Dec birthday ladies” mean you realize your business is too shameful to promote.

  8. MLM Radar

    She’s a Social Studies teacher. Did she learn nothing about probability/statistics or psychology or economics?

    Her main claim seems to be that “all” businesses take advantage of people, and “all” sales businesses lie to their customers. Mary Kay is a business, so, hey, their lies and abuses are just like “all” other businesses.

    Reality: That’s just pink camouflage. MLMs are not “all” businesses. They’re a unique class of businesses which are set up to bleed the sales force dry to benefit the very few at the tippy-top. In MLMs the real customer is the consultant, not the party guests.

    Newsflash: Diversity exists, and it’s not always good. There is a difference between ethical people and unethical people, and both kinds exist. Businesses are the same way, because they’re run by people. Many businesses are socially responsible, but some are social parasites. There is such a thing as unethical businesses which are run by unethical people. It’s naive to think otherwise.

  9. KeepinitReal

    I am also a MK consultant, but realise that MK is not going to make me much money at all. Especially if I buy Inventory (Which I have not). Tester are a better way to go. The first year, of signing up with MK, I will make nothing, will all of my expenses, testers, hotel rooms, conferences, travel, etc. Honestly…How much money have you really made?? After all the expenses? Please and thank you.

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