You Would Rather Complain Than Work

A note from a Mary Kay troll…

It seems that those who created this page simply have an ax to grind and can’t stand the idea of any woman having ambition, a positive and uplifting product, or success. Mary Kay is like any other business in so far as it takes a certain personality type to succeed in its structure and sell its products.

Mary Kay treats women like thinking adults who are the best judge of their own character and personality, and who can decide for their own selves whether they can succeed in the company. The fact that they do not hold extensive personality tests and interviews to see if there is a personality match is smart on their part because they show that they are not judging a woman and her ability to succeed in the business.

Many people want success, but they don’t want to do the leg work it takes to make it. When they don’t make it, they don’t take responsibility for their decisions and actions [or lack of actions], rather they look to the company as the “dog to kick”. After all, it’s easy enough to kick a nameless, faceless company and a lot better on the conscience than examining your own motives, personality, decisions and behavior. That might take WORK too! And it seems this whining crowd is made of life’s losers who are sufficiently content to complain forever about the things they fail to accomplish while blaming everyone around them. How terribly weak and sad.

Before I joined Mary Kay, I asked anyone I knew who had left selling the product why they left. Not one of them told me they didn’t make any money or that it was a pyramid or a scam. In fact, I had two women tell me that the ONLY way to lose with MK was to sit and do nothing! I had two tell me that they left because their husbands had problems with them working. I had one tell me she left because she was overworked at her regular job and her husband would not help her with the baby and she was contemplating divorce. In other words, everyone I knew who ever sold MK and stopped had stopped b/c of personal problems, not b/c of any of the allegations listed in this site.

I started MK with $108 for the basic kit and I have NEVER been given a quota. I have never been told that I wouldn’t make money if I didn’t recruit. I have never been required to spend a lot of money on inventory. And the structure of MK is definitely NOT a pyramid. Your social security is structured in a pyramid and that’s why it is collapsing. But MK is no where near failure.

When the great principles of capitalism, such as laissez faire, are actively in place — such as is practiced in MK, there will always be complainers who simply envy people who have get up and go. I have often told other women, “You want what I have, but are you willing to DO what I have to do to have it?” Sadly, many do not because they simply want something for nothing and would rather complain that work.

Last word: You reap what you sow; don’t blame others or your company if you reap failure while sitting on your wide one.

 

33 Comments

  1. Misscapulet

    ” Kay treats women like thinking adults who are the best judge of their own character and personality, and who can decide for their own selves whether they can succeed in the company.”

    Then why are there scripts specifically created to convince women who say “no” to the “opportunity” that they are wrong about their lack of desire to take part?
    These scripts are designed to tell women that they don’t know themselves.

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    1. Brainwashed no more

      “…Thinking adults?” That’s funny. Not at all treated as equals. Treated like children. Manipulation all the way. Gaslighting, lying, etc. This is not showing respect. Manipulation from the top down to the nsd, then down to the SD, and down to the consultant and down to the customer and recruit.

      “it takes a certain personality type”. To really get ahead you have to put yourself first and recruit and push inventory. I never felt comfortable with the inventory part. Lots of lies by directors to convince others to get lots of inventory. Put your needs ahead of anyone else. Narcissistic personality anyone?

    2. Mountaineer95

      Yes! You nailed it. And your post makes me think that you’re talking from experience. I’m sorry, Misscapulet (love your username, BTW), if you’ve ever experienced MK first-hand. I hope you continue to share here. We embrace you xoxoxo.

  2. Kristen

    Check in with us when you can prove a solid profit from product sales. Women here have worked countless hours trying to make money in MK and have now turned to legitimate business ventures and are successful. That’s not laziness. Every single one realized that to make anything (and it wasn’t much), they had to scam other women and they had a conscience. A sucker is born every minute and apparently, you’re up.

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    1. Mountaineer95

      Right?!?!? (Please excuse my overuse of exclamation punctuation.)

      Why is it so hard for ANY Kaybot (or, beyond IBCs, ANY Mary Kay persons including Directors, senior directors, executive directors, et al) to JUST PROVIDE PROOF of their sales. WHY?? Why can’t (or won’t) ANY of them quietly provide Tracy with the proof needed to refute any claims made here? Better yet, why aren’t Directors (especially those named here…ie Chelsea Adkins, Jamie Taylor, Taylor McKnight, etc) stepping up to give Tracy the proof she needs to declare any or all of them to be truthful in their sales claims? Are the women in your (Jamie, Chelsea, Taylor) units actually selling enough product, and at a high enough profit margin, to be making a few hundred extra dollars a week, every week, for months?? I doubt it, and WITHOUT PROOF, I suspect that others here at PT doubt it as well.

      As Kristin says, PROVE that you’re making PROFIT. It’s not that hard; just email Tracy some receipts (with pertinent information blacked out) and perhaps a tax form or three to show that you do indeed make profit with your MK ‘business”.

      If you’re going to convince everyone to give up their J.O.B.s, you need to PROVE that MK offers every single thing that our “looser” jobs do. But the joke’s on you…it doesn’t.

      1. Char

        (Footnote for lurkers) She said profit, and to reiterate, that’s net profit from your product sales to non-affiliates. We don’t want to see money made from endless-chain recruiting i.e., convincing other people that THEY will sell products, who then convince others. That’s opportunity selling (illegal) not product re-selling.

  3. MultiLevelMoneyLosing

    It ALWAYS boils down to the same accusation “you didn’t work.” It’s intended to blame the victim and shut down debate. It also uses shame as a tactic, which is despicable.

    It’s also hard to counter because it’s hard to prove that those who were scammed did put in the time and used applied whatever limited training they were given.

    Truly sad, and I hope more MK victims begin to see through this and other “my personal experience” non-fact-based defenses of MLMs.

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  4. ran4fun

    At least she knows how to write without excessive capitalization and exclamation points.

    Other than that, it’s the same old “MK works when you do” and apparently nobody on Pink Truth did the work …… except Best Decision, and Raisinberry, and JTA, and many other car driving directors.

    Also, she says nobody she knows left because they weren’t making money. They left for personal reasons. Notice all three women she cited for leaving for personal reasons blamed their husbands. Interesting…

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  5. Cindylu

    Exactly why does she think this web site was created? It seems extremely naive and irrational to criticize former Consultants and Directors for our personal stories. We worked hard. We did Open Houses, Cold Calls, Warm Chatter, Facials, etc. We accepted the inconsistencies: Costs for training, Costs for Conferences and Seminar. We were concerned that products constantly changed. (That mean’t customers had to adjust and we were stuck with out of date items.) We then had to spend more money on the new products. Shamefully our directors boasted of their highest checks from years ago. How odd that she would blame the consultants and NSD’s for this very flawed concept. Attack us for things we cannot control. She can’t control: Saturated Markets, Cancelled Facials (Including arriving and the customer not being home). Make overs where no one buys anything or just a pity purchase. Open Houses where no one shows up. Good luck in trying to keep up with an mlm whose products no one wants or needs. The bottom line is you are a pawn in an enormous scheme for a few NSD’s, CEO’s and heirs to profit. On this MK hamster wheel, it’s designed for the majority to fail. You don’t have to believe us. You will soon find out just how unfair and what a huge waste of time MK is.

    1. Mountaineer95

      Cindylu, thank you for your candid response. What stood out to me the most was this:

      “…you are a pawn in an enormous scheme for a few NSD’s, CEO’s and heirs to profit.”

      ^^^^This! The bottom line of MK Inc is that the company owners and executives (NSDs and Directors are NOT MK Inc executives) want to succeed and make more money. EVERY SINGLE IBC (and Director, and NSD, and whatever falls between them such as EESD, FESD, I don’t know all of the titles but readers know what I mean) is a pawn and merely a means to generate profit for those few corporate executives and owners.

      I’m still in awe of the IBCs who stumble upon this site every Friday and leave some comment about how they’re making bank and how they’ll pray for us. Do they really not see the scam that’s right before their eyes? SMH.

  6. NayMKWay

    “The fact that they do not hold extensive personality tests and interviews to see if there is a personality match is smart on their part because they show that they are not judging a woman and her ability to succeed in the business.”

    Well, that’s partly true: they don’t screen people with personality tests. But they certainly use personality tests to better manipulate everyone with a pulse into signing up. Have you never seen the pamphlets teaching how to best appeal to people in different quadrants of the DISC profile?

    The reason there is no screening is because there is no risk. A real company hiring an employee is risking salary and overhead money to bring that person on. But with Mary Kay, whoever signs up pays Mary Kay for the privilege of being a consultant. Of course Mary Kay takes on all comers.

    “Many people want success, but they don’t want to do the leg work it takes to make it.”

    Oh, knock it off with that “it’s all their fault” crap. It’s insulting and disgusting. The contributors to this site who are ex-Mary-Kay (which I am not) worked their tails off while they were in the pink fog. Please shut the hell up.

    “After all, it’s easy enough to kick a nameless, faceless company …”

    Hmm, you seem confused. The company name is Mary Kay Corp. The face of the company is the late Mary Kay Ash (surely you’ve seen her portrait?). The company is an organized scam and Mary Kay Ash set it up that way when she founded the company. That’s the name and that’s the face. Glad I could help.

    “I have NEVER been given a quota.”

    No one told you about the minimum quarterly purchases to stay “active”? Are you unaware of the production quotas to qualify for higher echelons like Director, Senior Director, etc.? I guess you haven’t been in the company very long, then, because it’s hardly a secret. Of course you have a quota; if they name it something else, it’s still a quota.

    “I have never been told that I wouldn’t make money if I didn’t recruit.”

    Well, today’s your lucky day; glad you stopped by. Here it is, then: You won’t make more than minimum wage—if that—if you don’t recruit. This is not just my opinion, it’s a mathematical fact. If all you do is try to sell make-up, you’ll be in competition with 33,782 offers on e-bay (as of this writing). There are also some 3.5 million other Consultants, Directors, Senior Directors, car drivers, Nationals, etc., trying to unload inventory at deep discounts to try to recoup their losses on purchases they made to keep their car and their status as Director. Chelsea Clator Adkins offers BOGO and half-off sales one right after another; why? Because she bought her status, her credit cards are maxed out (her words) and is trying to get some of it back. So who is going to buy from you at full price? And by the way, full-price is about enough to cover expenses, so discount = money lost. That is why you have to recruit to make money.

    And I notice you never said you didn’t recruit; only that no one told you you had to. If you’re in the black and have no recruits, you’re a unicorn. A unicorn that can fly. And poops solid gold. Rare, is what I’m trying to say.

    “And the structure of MK is definitely NOT a pyramid.”

    Of course it is. You have an upline, don’t you? And some of your product purchases result in your upline getting a cut, right? That’s a pyramid structure. You might argue it’s not a pyramid scheme, (good luck with that), but it’s definitely a pyramid structure, whether Mary Kay wants to lie and call it “dual marketing” or not.

    “Your social security is structured in a pyramid and that’s why it is collapsing.”

    I think you’re confused. Detractors of the Social Security system often compare it to a Ponzi scheme, because the money going out is coming from new participants. But such arguments are unrelated to the fact that Mary Kay is a product-based pyramid scheme, so let’s leave it at that.

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    1. Mountaineer95

      “The reason there is no screening is because there is no risk. A real company hiring an employee is risking salary and overhead money to bring that person on. But with Mary Kay, whoever signs up pays Mary Kay for the privilege of being a consultant. Of course Mary Kay takes on all comers.”

      This is one of my biggest gripes with these IBCs who think they know everything. None of them are willing to admit that perhaps THEY are the unskilled, bad-personality-type, inadequate wannabe business professional that wouldn’t get weeded out by basic personality and aptitude tests. Lol nope, they are EXACTLY the type that MK wants: clueless. Their “kit” covers pretty much all costs that MK incurs to “hire” them.

      And the ones who come here and say things like this one has are EXACTLY the types that MK wants. And that MK doesn’t pay to “hire”.

    2. Mountaineer95

      “it’s a mathematical fact”

      How dare you bring mathematical facts into this! If you only BEE-LIEVE then you can go far in MK! DON’T LISTEN TO THE SO-CALLED FACTS! BUY INVENTORY AND IT WILL FALL OFF YOUR SHELVES (…only if there’s an active earthquake).

  7. Mountaineer95

    While I tried to make something out of this post, all I was able to come up with is “Blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah, blah! Blah blah blah…”

    And the only notable bit, IMO:

    “I started MK with $108 for the basic kit and I have NEVER been given a quota. I have never been told that I wouldn’t make money if I didn’t recruit. I have never been required to spend a lot of money on inventory.”

    So you told us what you paid for your kit…how much have you made in profit?

    No mention of profit means she didn’t make any profit, otherwise she’d have shouted it from the rooftops via CAPSLOCK AND EVERY EXCLAMATION POINT AVAILABLE.

    It’s the same old thing every time: the critic is NEVER someone who is a legit Cadillac Director or ANY director who offers proof of profit.

    Lady, your slight bit of experience in MK is no different than tens of thousands of others; get into DIQ, make Director, or even just move up one or two tiny rungs on the MK ladder to earn the experience needed for us to value your opinion about anything related to MK.

    I’m not saying your overall opinions are worthless; your opinion about all sorts of things is of value and I’d never say otherwise. But YOUR OPINION ABOUT MK has no value in the face of so many ex-MK ladies here who’ve been in way longer, spent way more, and have infinitely more experience than you.

    1. Mountaineer95

      Sorry guys, I knew when I reread this post that I’d find something else I wanted to comment on. I’ll try to keep them short and few. So there’s this:

      “The fact that they do not hold extensive personality tests and interviews to see if there is a personality match is smart on their part because they show that they are not judging a woman and her ability to succeed in the business.”

      This is a good point. MK will “hire” anyone! Right? Except they don’t “hire” anyone (except for corporate employees). Literally ANYONE can “buy” the chance to sell MK…for only the starter kit cost! There’s a reason why most companies screen potential employees…it’s because they incur a multitude of costs for every new hire they bring on. Training, onboarding, paperwork, benefits, so on and so on…every company incurs costs for every person they hire, so if they can utilize tools (personality tests, interviews, etc) to weed out candidates that will be a bad fit, they use them.

      Think about this, PT critic: why is MK unwilling to pay a single penny to try and find out if you or anyone else will or won’t be a good fit for MK? Hint: it’s not because they’re overflowing with altruism or a desire to elevate women. It’s because YOU pay all they need when you buy your “kit”. The only thing MK does is create an IBc number for you (and I’d argue that the cost for them to do that is built in to your “kit” cost). New hire training? Lol, that’s up to your recruiter or director, on her own dime and on her own time. IF Mary Kay had to invest ANY money in their new IBCs, they wouldn’t allow literally anyone with a pulse (and even that’s questionable) to sign up…AND they wouldn’t charge YOU to become a part of MK.

      But yeah, you’re right…they are not picky about whose money they’ll take for the starter kit. They’ll happily take it from anyone, including those who have zero understanding of how businesses work. You’ve proven that with your insights. Thanks for sharing.

      1. Mountaineer95

        One more then I promise to stop:

        “they show that they are not judging a woman and her ability to succeed in the business”

        In what business world is this smart? If I’m a company that needs to hire the right people, why on earth would I hire anyone who demonstrates a lack of ability to succeed?

        Again, THEY WILL “TAKE” ANYONE REGARDLESS OF THEIR ABILITY TO SUCCEED BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PAYING A SINGLE DIME BY “LETTING” ANYONE TRY. Fork over whatever they want for the starter kit. Even if you’re someone that any other company would pass on because you don’t demonstrate an ability to succeed, Mary Kay will take your money. It doesn’t matter if you succeed; they’ve covered their costs in “hiring” you because they HAVE no costs in “hiring” you. You already paid it yourself. Enjoy your starter kit.

            1. NayMKWay

              “Old enough”? I was past the target age group when “Weekend at Bernie’s” came out. I never got around to watching it, but I know it’s about two idiots trying to convince people at a party that their dead boss is not, in fact, dead. Hilarity ensues. So you’re right: I got the reference.

              I’m so old I call rocks “Sonny.”

              Not rock musicians; actual ROCKs.

  8. Not a Bot

    “The fact that they do not hold extensive personality tests and interviews to see if there is a personality match is smart on their part because they show that they are not judging a woman and her ability to succeed in the business.”

    “It takes a certain type of personality to succeed in its structure and sell its products”

    These statements directly contradict each other. She said a certain type of personality is needed to succeed in the business, yet goes on to say MK not assessing if a woman’s personality is good for business shows they are not judging a woman’s ability to succeed in the business. So they are purposely recruiting people who will not succeed (or at least turning a blind eye to it). Would a legitimate company recruit people they know will be unlikely to succeed at a job? MK doesn’t do personality tests and even have scripts to persuade women they don’t need to be the ‘sales type’ because they want to wring money out of whoever they can. They don’t care whether they can sell it or not. When somebody contradicts themselves this blatantly, you can’t take anything they say seriously.

    I also wonder if the women whose husbands ‘didn’t want them working’ really just didn’t want their wives spending a bunch of time and making no money in MK.

    1. NayMKWay

      Off the top of my head, I can think of two reasons why their scripts say they are not looking for “sales types”:

      1. Most people do not consider themselves to be “sales types,” and MK wants to cast the widest net they can.

      2. People who do consider themselves sales types are probably already working in sales, and know a bad deal when they see one. “50% margin? that won’t pay the bills,” they’ll say to themselves, before laughing and walking away.

      1. Mountaineer95

        “People who do consider themselves sales types are probably already working in sales, and know a bad deal when they see one. “50% margin? that won’t pay the bills,” they’ll say to themselves, before laughing and walking away.”

        I am a sales type who has over twenty years of sales experience, and the first thing that turns me off about the MK “slopportunity” is the lack of protected territories, and the inability of MK and its recruiters to tell me how many other MK salespersons currently exist in any given area. MKC has that info, but they refuse to share it (of course). There are many other aspects of MK (and other MLM “opportunities”) that turn me off, but the whole territory thing is the first to rankle my feathers.

    1. Mountaineer95

      Well, if you’re earning a regular wage/salary, and have the audacity to accept benefits from your J.O.B., then you most definitely fit the description of a “lazy looser”. How dare you complain about work (while you are AT work, even!) when you could be living the MK dream! /s

  9. Amy Walton

    I have to say, this was a refreshing read. While the themes are so familiar, we didn’t have the misspellings, horrible grammar, “lazy looser”, random capitalizations, and excess punctuation. I even learned something – I wasn’t aware that laissez faire was a principle of capitalism. (no sarcasm there, I really did learn something!)

    So – in keeping with the capitalism idea – the point of working is to make money, right? So, letter writer, you must be making gobs of money. Hey, other women want what you have, right? Then you certainly wouldn’t mind *proving it*, would you? As I like to say – Schedule C or it didn’t happen! Of course, you should redact all personally identifiable information. You could even send it directly to Tracy rather than posting here.

    But without proof, I just call BS.

    Sent from my comfy spot sitting here on my wide one. 😉

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