You Are Clueless

We know there are plenty of hidden agendas in Mary Kay and plenty of truths that aren’t told until long after you’re sucked into the pink vortex. But this happy Mary Kay consultant wants us to quit saying bad things about the company, because anything that happened to us in Mary Kay is our own fault…

I just feel so sad that there are so many sick people out there…they couldn’t control themselves or discipline themselves, so all they do is blame others and spread slander and libel… talk about Go-Give: how would they feel if they were disparged like that in public?

I have realized that the most important reasons why the people on your site didn’t succeed in MK wasn’t because they didn’t treat their businesses like businesses (or their lives–or they wouldn’t have charged so much on their credit cards with no plan to sell the inventory), but the reasons are that NOTHING good can happen for people who are so evil, mean-spirited, venomous, whiney, hateful, etc.

They complain that a few directors may have misled them…but yet the way they talk about other people is atrocious!!

Most of the “facts” that they talk about are NOT facts…everything in Mary Kay is spelled out if they took the time to read…

Most of the Consultants and Directors DO sell the product…I personally sell about $300/week just on my website…I sold $200 in one day last week…quite a return on my $50/year!! Except for one of my sisters and one of my daughters, NONE of my 500+ customers is family or friends!! I guess all of those people are stupid, too…

But your people don’t believe in learning how to sell to anyone but their families or friends; they don’t believe in investing in sales aids or marketing; if they maxed out their credit cards or did anything else they thought they shouldn’t do because someone “told” them to…they have more problems than MK or anything could fix!!

If they were foolish enough to order, order, order and not sell or develop a customer base, that’s on THEM!!

Anything that is ordered has a shipping charge attached to it (shipping costs are even wrapped into what is bought at a store)…but according to YOUR people, a shipping charge is WRONG when MK does it!! That’s the kind of illogical, childish thinking that your people engage in.

In our unit and area, we have SALES contests…booking rallies, etc. We SELL the product…people I don’t even know wouldn’t order and pay for $150+ on my website if they didn’t like the product… unless, of course, they are as clueless as the people on your site are… that’s what the people on YOUR site would say…

no one put a gun to their heads to do anything, buy anything, attend anything…are they that weak-kneed?

The FDA/US government sued many companies that made false claims about one thing or another…if everything Mary Kay has said has been such lies, why hasn’t the Company been sued?

Well…you talke about us being in the “Pink Fog”…you people are wallowing in self-pity and self-hatred that you then try to blame others for YOUR failings. Most people in MK—like most people in the world, period–are good, hard-working, honest people.

I teach all of my people how to market and sell the product…those who really want to learn, that is. I have some people like some of the people here…they actually think that all they had to do was order the starter kit and then sit down and eat bon-bons and money would fall from the sky.

If people think they got “financially ruined” by Mary Kay…that’s THEIR fault…they should have had more common sense and not spent money they didn’t have with no plan to make money or daily discipline to wiork consistently. If they were too cheap to even invest in business cards and complained about putting their customers on PCP–knowing that there is competition out there no matter what the product–no wonder what ever customers they had didn’t stay.

Like I said before, it’s like spending a lot of money to set up a brick and mortar store, then rarely opening for business, or doing any advertising or marketing (they are NOT the same…); and then wondering why their store failed.

Well, I really feel sorry for people like you who have to build themselves up by pulling others down…I know that what goes around, comes around…and those of you who feel that you have to be so foul-mouthed, hateful, catty, etc….will have all of that come back to you one way or another…no matter how “cheerful” you say you are…

But you all are SO hateful…nothing anyone says to you will ever get through…

God bless you anyway…

29 Comments

  1. Destiny Angel

    “I personally sell about $300/week just on my website…I sold $200 in one day last week…quite a return on my $50/year!! Except for one of my sisters and one of my daughters, NONE of my 500+ customers is family or friends!! I guess all of those people are stupid, too…”

    500 customers and yet you only manage to sell $300 a week. That’s a lot of people not actually BUYING your make-up.

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      1. Mountaineer95

        I know this comment is a few weeks late, but wanted to share it anyhow…this woman claims to make money only on sales and not recruiting…but we know full well that if she actually has five hundred customers and isn’t “sharing the opportunity” with them, she is NOT following Mary Kay Ash’s dream and thus her upline, sideline, and whatever lines are not just welcome to, but are ENCOURAGED to, recruit them. And you know that at least some of them are being recruited out from under her…so between that and general turnover, to maintain 500 REGULAR customers (which we all assume is not her actual customer count, nowhere near it) means needing many MORE than that each year.

        I agree that her story is BS, but in the event that any IBC truly has 500 buying customers and doesn’t recruit, those “customers” will be prime targets for recruitment by her upline.

  2. Kristen

    “Like I said before, it’s like spending a lot of money to set up a brick and mortar store, then rarely opening for business, or doing any advertising or marketing (they are NOT the same…); and then wondering why their store failed.”

    Not an equivalent comparison at all. It’s nothing like a legitimate store where you are allowed to advertise. The directors on this site worked their butts off so don’t say they didn’t open for business.

    Also, could we get some new ways to say, “Nobody put a gun to your head”? How about “Nobody put a knife to your throat”. “Nobody blackmailed you.” “Nobody held your pet for ransom”. If the critics are going to keep using this lame argument to blame the victim, at least be a little creative.

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    1. strix nebulosa

      Nobody dangled you above the pink flames of Mary Kay Mordor! And remember, Gollum only fell in because he was after the Ring, which he only grabbed moments before he plunged into lava…like people in this scam chase fake titles and fall into debt..

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    2. BestDecision

      Yeah, I was open for business weeknights for unit meetings, weekends for business debuts, and anytime someone who could fog a mirror needed a lipstick.

      Being lectured about my lack of work ethic is ridiculous when we can all see commission checks dropping and people leaving by the masses. NSDs quitting?! Never in the history of the company until the last 10 years or so!

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  3. Neverpink

    “I have realized that the most important reasons why the people on your site didn’t succeed in MK wasn’t because they didn’t treat their businesses like businesses (or their lives–or they wouldn’t have charged so much on their credit cards with no plan to sell the inventory)…”

    Hey ma’am, why on earth would anyone charge inventory on a credit card with no further plan for it whatsoever? That doesn’t make any sense. Buying MK just to have it doesn’t make any sense. At the very least, the person would have had plans to use it all.

    However, that’s simply not reality. You know as well as I do that inventory is pushed because that’s how the upper levels of the pyramid make money. Inventory packages are marketed with the phrase, “You can’t sell from an empty wagon”. There is simply no truth in your statement that women bought tons of inventory with no plan for it whatsoever.

    “…but the reasons are that NOTHING good can happen for people who are so evil, mean-spirited, venomous, whiney, hateful, etc.”

    NOTHING good? Ever? I don’t know about that, ma’am. It could be that the people here are good people, who were tricked and lied to by people like you and are now doing their best to deprogram from the pink indoctrination and warn others who might end up in the same position they did. They’re now making more money than they ever did in MK, have real friendships (unlike in MK where everything is transactional) and can sleep at night knowing they aren’t warm stalking some poor woman in Target just to recruit her into the abuse.

    NOTHING good can ever happen to MK scammers. Your diamonds, if you have them, are worthless spit, ma’am. Your MK car, if you have one, isn’t free. You have quotas, ma’am, whether you acknowledge it or not.

    “Most people in MK—like most people in the world, period–are good, hard-working, honest people.”

    Nope. Hard-working? Sure, I’ll give you that. They have to be in order to continue in “the business” because the attrition rate is so high. But MK people are liars, whether they consciously know it or not. So no, they are not honest people.

    If you’re so successful in MK and are “good” and “honest”, why not prove it? Show us your Schedule C. Show us your business records. Prove us wrong.

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  4. NayMKWay

    “Well, I really feel sorry for people like you who have to build themselves up by pulling others down…”

    …says the writer of this diatribe that’s mostly victim-shaming and name-calling.

    God bless her, anyway…

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  5. Shay

    Look ?,
    This site has been here for 15 years and there are hundreds of these “this is sad” diatribes. I didn’t even read the whole thing because they all say the same thing: you didn’t try hard enough bla bla bla. Get over yourself. Get a real job.

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    1. Mountaineer95

      I think that sometimes Tracy can learn the critic’s name by whatever email their comment is originating from; if so, it would be fun to have a “where are they now feature” wherein Tracy can pick a previous PT critic and look them up to see if they’re still in MK and if so, what their current “deserve level” is. It could be done and the results shared with us without Tracy divulging the person’s actual name. But I think it would end up being a broken record of super-savvy #bossbabes who tried their own “Mary Kay business” and, for a variety of reasons (but never the main reason of how it’s a pyramid scheme and almost nobody can succeed in such a structure), “chose” to step down/go back to school/go back to a J.O.B.

      Meanwhile here at PT, those who tried MK and failed are now successful entrepreneurs, nurses, teachers, salespersons, et al. But hey we are just bitter, right?

  6. AnonyMouse

    What’s wrong is the lack of disclosure. MLMs are not required by law to disclose a large percentage of details before a person signs up to be a distributor. Prospects are painted a pretty picture and made assurances when the “business plan” is shown to them, and then AFTER they sign the legally binding document, all the caveats are revealed. That’s shady. It’s a criminal offense in the legitimate business world. But the Direct Selling Association lobbied the FTC to not enforce it for MLMs. And not for noble reasons, either. It was for money. It was to keep the owners of the MLMs obscenely wealthy.

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    1. Mountaineer95

      And what makes NO sense outside of the MLM wonderland is that in ANY other type of business, the company incurs costs to hire, onboard, and train new employees including sales reps. Outside of MLM, companies invest significant costs when bringing on new reps. Because of this, non-MLM companies with sales forces do NOT sugarcoat the average earnings their reps might make, don’t suggest that they can achieve success in only part time hours, and certainly don’t promise new reps that they can “promote themselves” whenever they want. AND those companies will NOT just hire anyone with a face or who can fog a mirror; because they have these incurred costs, they want the new rep to have at least some degree of a character/experience combo that suggests the role would be a good fit.

      Of all the types of businesses that SHOULD be required to share the fine details to prospective “employees”, MLMs are atop that list. If an entire genre of businesses will literally “allow” anyone with a pulse to “join” and “start their OWN small business” at a cost to THEM rather than the company itself that is offering the “position”, THAT type of business should be forced to be wide open about their actual stats.

  7. Cat Ballou

    Hey girl!
    Let me tell you about the Mary Kay opportunity. You can make executive income working just a few hours a week! Doesn’t that sound great? ? What’s that you say? People who fail at MK don’t have the “daily discipline to work consistently” and “they didn’t treat their businesses like businesses”? Hmmm.

    Well, let’s move on. As a Mary Kay consultant, you can earn 50% profit on everything you sell. ? Just listen: “I personally sell about $300/week just on my website”? Hold on…$15,600/year doesn’t sound like executive income to me. Then when you consider that half of that money goes to the wholesale cost of the product, you’ve only got $7800/year. Of course, my director told me to plan for another 10% of the total sale to go to business expenses like packaging, samples, and business cards. $156/year for that doesn’t seem too bad…might even be a little low.

    Of course, you want to put your customers on PCP! It’s just pennies per customer. ? How much for your “500+ customers”? Wow, you’ve got a great customer base. You’re a Mary Kay success story! Let’s see, PCP would be another $350 in expenses. I guess that $156 in estimated expenses was really low. Do you have another revenue stream from your Mary Kay business, because $7294 doesn’t sound like that much to me. Of course you don’t, otherwise you would have told me about it.

    And of course you will want to go to Seminar! It’s the most fabulous event of the year! You just have to go! You will be so inspired to take your business to new heights. Yes, it will probably cost you about $1000, but you can’t afford not to go! And don’t forget Career Conference, and your director’s fall retreat! ?

    But I’m so excited that you’ve decided to launch your new Mary Kay business! Let’s talk about inventory. You know, if you want to be successful, you need a full store. As Mary Kay Ash herself said, “you can’t sell from an empty wagon!” You can always apply for a Mary Kay credit card to place that initial order. Oh, don’t be nervous. The products just fly off the shelves! They practically sell themselves!! What’s that? You’re having trouble selling your on-hand inventory? Ulta is in your neighborhood Target store and Sephora in the Kohl’s store across the street? Nobody is interesting in a facial or hosting party? You did get a few orders, but you didn’t have some of the products on hand so you had to place another inventory order? And you had to add some products that you really don’t need to maintain your active status? Well, what are you complaining about? Like you said, “no one put a gun to their heads to do anything, buy anything, attend anything…are they that weak-kneed?”

    Well, hun, let me tell you something. The people posting are not all here to “complain that a few directors may have misled them.” The recruiting scripts are full of false promises. The problem is endemic to Mary Kay.

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    1. NayMKWay

      Good points, Cat Ballou. The lies don’t come from “a few bad Directors”; they come from Corporate.

      “Just because you had a bad director who coerced you into buying inventory….” <– Hey, according to Mary Kay, a good director will encourage large inventory orders for all kinds of plausible reasons. But I guess as long as no gun is placed to anyone’s head, anything goes, right?

      One minor erratum, though:

      “$156/year for that doesn’t seem too bad…might even be a little low.”

      You’re right, it is a little low. 10% of $15,600 is $1,560, not $156.

    2. Mountaineer95

      This ^^^ Cat is SO well written! I feel like this should be an automatic response from PT to those (many…so very many) PT-critical IBCs who 1) have never encountered an upline member who pushed them to buy inventory and/or recruit, and 2) believe that they are so savvy and so smart that, after only a few months in, they know “facts” about aspects of MK that even smart, seasoned previous Cadillac directors did not. Because there are so many! And they ALL know sooo much about the MK “business”!

  8. Mountaineer95

    “everything in Mary Kay is spelled out if they took the time to read…”

    SHOULD say: “everything in Mary Kay is spelled out if they took the time to read Pink Truth”

    It’s all spelled out here. How million dollar units don’t actually sell a million dollars; how so many directors seem unable or unwilling to “promote themselves”; how Cadillac directors maybe make minimum wage…yep, all spelled out here, if they just took the time to read about it.

  9. BestDecision

    MK Inc. ABSOLUTELY is at fault and encourages bad choices. “Prepare your inventory” is their advice in the new Holiday Strategy book. They hit inventory heavily on Day 1 when a new girl is tempted with better and bigger prizes the more she buys. Right now, they just kicked off an “Initial Order Credit” where they give a new Consultant money back off her minimum or qualified first order. No order—no prizes or credits.

    How about when they deduct commissions from someone almost a year after that person worked their tail off for a unit member or team member only to have them quit and send inventory back? You don’t get to keep your money, and you NEVER get that time back. Right now, I can picture a few of the people that caused me a chargeback, and I devoted HOURS helping and encouraging them, going into strangers’ homes for them, dressed in skirts & heels to look professional for them, counseling them on so many calls and complaints, and PAYING FOR their ribbons, sashes, and prizes.

    That is all on MK Inc.

    I’m going to stop right here because I just can’t handle the disregard you have of us. My career took a hit because of the lies I was told for over a decade and the faith I had in a company flaunting the Golden Rule. Of course I’m bitter! But, my life is BETTER now that I’m out of that toxic crowd and daily life.

    Just stop it.

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  10. Minicourt

    You don’t have 500+ customers… You’ve had 500+ attendees to your classes. I was selling MK for 2 years and I got a database of 200+ people but my customers were… 20 maybe? and just a few of them purchased daily use products (My top 10 sales were makeup products)

    Selling “about $300/week” is not a big deal at all if your 500+ customers database were ALL active.

      1. While it would be a radical change (and not one that they’d willingly set in play), there ARE ways in which MK Inc could only pay upline commissions on downline “sold” products. It would require significant transparency and record-keeping within all levels of MK Independent Contracters, and could go something like this:

        …when the wholesale purchase is made by a downline IBC, the commission that the upline person (for simplicity’s sake am using only one “level”, but hey it’s a “dual marketing” system so none of the upline pyramid layers matter anyhow, amirite?) would receive will, instead of being payed to the upline #bossbabe at the time of the wholesale purchase is made, instead be set aside in a file/account of the upline person, and ONLY when the downline IBC purchaser provides sales receipts that the product was truly “sold” at retail to their customers is when the upline person receives their commission from MK Inc. Perhaps to make the upline folks more invested in this, they should incur some type of commission penalty when their downline person (in this scenario) has, say, inventory for over a year that hasn’t been sold to an end customer.

        I could go on for days about specific ways to make such a system work, but MKI will NEVER, EVER implement anything even in the ballpark of this. Because it will cause the sales force to see how much they are NOT selling, AND it takes away the “magic” of a director generating tons of production during a push to a higher “promotion”…because the VERY real possibility of underlings who order big to help the “unit” or “area” having to send back their “last minute, gotta make the XYZ goal, thanks MK fam” looms heavily here. (A great example would be Ali Zornes…she ordered big to support her own forged Cadillac unit and support her upline’s goal simultaneously) and likely #PrincessChelss (gag) would be an example here too.

        At the very, VERY least, MKI should require retail sales receipts (from EVERYONE who has ordered wholesale product from them) so MKI is required to refund the amount that they overcharged on sales tax (for newbies, when an IBC orders product from MK, the IBC is charged the FULL amount of sales tax that the IBC would have collected IF the products were sold at full “double” price. But we know that literally tons of product is either NOT sold at all, or sold at substantially lower prices. So why is it that Texas (I’m unsure if taxes there are collected at all government levels or just a few, ie city and state and federal) is happy to keep what is likely MILLIONS of sales tax collected from MKI “on behalf” of all of these independent contractors, when it’s likely that very little of the products were ever sold at all, let alone at full suggested retail? I can’t help but think that the jurisdiction MKI falls under just turns a huge blind eye to the likelytax fraud that’s happening inder their watch.

        Okie doke, dismounting my little soapbox for the day. I love you guys, thanks for reading!

        1. BestDecision

          The use of “require” is where MK gets off. The sales force would no longer be independent contractors and be employees instead if they required anything.

          Believe me, everything is stacked in MK’s favor. Absolutely nothing benefits the Consultant or Director.

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