Facts, opinions, and the real story behind Mary Kay Cosmetics.

You Weren’t Good in Sales

This shit sound made up. What spouse knows about warm chatter etc…. sounds lime somebody mad they werent successful 🤣. Any sales job you have a certain amount to sell or your ass don’t make money. Just like in corporate America. Whoever has time to come up with thus forum is bitter as hell. Get a real job and stop hating that you weren’t good in sales. 9-5 is all over the place. Hell Amazon is a pyramid scheme and I don’t see one bitter heffa complaining about Amazon taking their money. No life heffas!!!!!


  1. Destiny Angel

    Hell Amazon is a pyramid scheme and I don’t see one bitter heffa (sic) complaining about Amazon taking their money. No life heffas!!!!! (sic)

    I wonder how our critic from May 27th (Stephanie) would see these words as not being anything other than degrading or tearing down of women.

    And there are plenty of blogs out there bashing Amazon thay are far worse that what is written here.

    1. Popinki

      I don’t know, a straight up insult is almost refreshing compared to the usual fake blessings and god-bothering. I just reread that article and the last line stuck out to me:

      “P.S. How long since you have read Mary Kay’s autobiography? Read the section about tithing to her church and tell me that isn’t a truly amazing woman.”

      It made me think about a huge local criminal case from the late 80s-early 90s where an out of work minister and his wife decided that god would provide for them and their two children. They had thousands in the bank but that was tithe money and they weren’t going to touch it. If the children begged for food it would be taken away. Long story short, the son starved to death and the daughter was so malnourished she wound up in the hospital.

      “Amazing” is one word for people like that.

        1. Mountaineer95

          Yay! Yes, “earning” a Ridiculous Downvote (trademark pending) means you have arrived on PT! You’ve nowhere to go but down from here! Welcome to the tribe Pop!

  2. Popinki

    I worked in sales (major appliances) for 3 years. I hated it, especially the upselling, but I did it and it paid the bills. We had quotas, sure, but they were spelled out ahead of time and we were paid a set hourly rate in addition to commissions, which were an in incentive to go above and beyond. Plus you got benefits like set working hours, paid time off, and health benefits if you were full time. Our managers didn’t get a dime of our commissions because they had their own pay rates, and if someone returned a defective item we didn’t have to give our commissions back. when the shift ended, the job ended.

    Also, people didn’t run the other way every time they saw me because they were afraid I was going to strongarm them into buying a refrigerator and/or sign them up to sell refrigerators in their spare time with only $100 down plus a bonus if they recruited their own refrigerator salesman.

    And now I’m wondering what a lime sounds like…

    1. Brooke

      My dad owns an appliance store, so this sounds very familiar. But, again, when the shift ends, you don’t take the store home with you (since my dad does own, he will occasionally make house calls outside work but it’s rare and usually when they will be closed the following day).

      1. popinki

        I noticed that when I told people what I did, a lot of times they were curious about do we sell the newest latest model in the TV commercials and is it really as great as they say. Often they’d ask if we had any good deals on such-and-such coming up. I managed to land some good sales that way. There was a definite lack of running away and pretending to be busy for the rest of eternity 😀

        1. Brooke

          Right. It’s universally wanted/needed items. And when they ask you about deals and things, it at least shows genuine interest and you’re not “on” 24/7/365 to shill out useless or underwhelming products.

    2. Mountaineer95

      One major difference about sales in a brick and mortar retail environment vs the whole “warm stalking/chatting” that MLMs do is that when you’re a salesperson in an actual physical store, the customer WILLINGLY comes into your establishment.

      You sold appliances to people who CHOSE to come into your store. You never went to the local Target and badgered shoppers there for baby formula and wet wipes about how they needed a new washer.

      I’m a veteran retail salesperson (mattresses and furniture). I never dragged a person into my stores; they came in because they were interested in what we were selling. It was still hard on customers, because of the fear of being “sold”, the fact that it’s a major purchase, and the hesitation to ask for help. But in the thousands of transactions I completed, not one time was a buyer badgered to buy.

      Rest assured Pop that you never forced anyone to buy something they didn’t want or need; your customers needed an appliance, and while the process isn’t fun for anyone, you helped them get what they needed and for that you should feel proud and not badly in any way.

      When MLM shills describe what they do as “sales” I cringe. It’s NOT the same. If the vast majority of their actual sales came from strangers, I’d feel better about it. But when they’re only selling to friends/family/people they beg and badger on social media etc, i find it unlikely the purchases are made because the consumer truly needs/wants the product, but rather because they are “helping” Megan/Chelsea/Jamie/fillintheblankwithanyKaybot reach some “goal”.

    1. Mountaineer95

      Lol love you PG!

      I can’t wait to see what you dig up about how many directors (of all levels) fell ridiculously short of their yearly goals now that the June 30th dust is settling and the social media posts start rolling out about how they either: crushed their goal and hit whatever unit level/trip/ring with REAL STONES…or…hee hee..totally missed their goal and why 1) it’s okay because it’s Gods plan; 2) it’s my fault because I didn’t do XYZ…ad infinitum. Knowing your top level infiltration skills I know you’ll get the goods…

      …Who lost directors? Who is in NSD time out? What loud mouth directors fell back to IBC status? Who’s paying out the wazoo for their Caddy copay? WHO IS ANNOUNCING THEIR NEW AND UNIQUE COACHING BIZ/OVERPRICED RETREAT/LOGO CLOTHING LINE ALA LINDA TOUPIN?

      Can’t wait!

  3. Oink

    It does not matter how good anyone is in sales. Real consumers simply do NOT want this overpriced, outdated and chalky grandma-makeup. It’s crusty and just lame.

    How “successful” is this person who posted this comment? How much of this crap have they sold to real customers? Oh please. We know women RUN when they hear you mentioning “Mary Kay”.

    1. Destiny Angel

      Honestly Oink, MK was my granny’s make-up back in the 1970’s. That and Avon. Us young-uns used Boots No7, Max Factor and dipped our toes into Oriflame.

      Oriflame had the cutest pale green, light enough so my high school didn’t ban it, but pigmented enough to high-lit those green flecks in my eyes and make them look stunning.

      1. Oink

        I guess grannys in the 70s had a lot less variety to choose from and didn’t know better.

        Today, MK’s target group of “mature women” has moved on to Estee Lauder, Charlotte Tilbury, Shiseido, Chanel, Dior, Guerlain, Lancome, Natasha Denona, Tom Ford etc. Since MK claims to be “prestige”, THESE brands would be their direct competitors. MK sits at the same price point as actual prestige brands, while offering: Lame pink or black packaging, below drugstore quality, and color stories that generally range from pink chalk to dusty mauve and nothing much else.

        Younger people are into trendy brands like Huda, Fenty, Nars, Rare Beauty, Colourpop etc. They wouldn’t touch MK’s grandma makeup even if it was offered for free.

        I’m a regular consumer who loves makeup and skincare. I just think MK products are beyond lame and booooring. No one wants this pink crap nowadays.

  4. Data Junkie

    “Any sales job you have a certain amount to sell or your ass don’t make money.”

    But in Mary Kay, you can’t make money selling product, which is overpriced, and supply significantly everwhelms demand.

    Instead, the tiny few making money are actually selling the dream…which is more accurately called a nightmare for over 99% of those involved.

    Selling an opportunity that is guaranteed to create a financial loss for over 99% of those who “buy in” does not fall under the definition of “sales”. Better words to describe this might be scam, fraud, theft…

  5. Frosty Rose

    This literate Heffa is laughing all the way to her six-figure sales job. With health insurance, 401K contributions, PTO, defined hours, and expenses paid by the company.

    Honestly, Fridays have to make more of an impact on our message than anything we can do M-Th.

    1. Mountaineer95

      For funsies I looked up what I made at two previous sales jobs by 2022 numbers. My second full working year out of college in the mid 90s I worked my tail off in a furniture retail store (and loved it). By today’s money, I made $64,000. Nice. Then as a salaried plus bonus sales rep for a major mattress manufacturer, I looked up what I made in 2006…$92,000 in 2022 money. Not too bad for a heffa working a loser J.O.B. for a “pyramid- shaped” legit corporation.

  6. Kristen

    This is the kind of person that just needs to learn the hard way because they can’t think logically.

    Us: Wait! Stop! You’re going to drive right off that bridge because your brakes are out, the road is slick and there’s no guard rail! 99% of drivers plummet to their deaths under these conditions!

    Critic (laughing, calls out the car window): You bitter as hell! Get a life and stop complaining that you drove off this bridge cause you were a bad driver.

    Us: shrugging, waving goodbye

  7. Wasrings90

    ““Any sales job you have a certain amount to sell or your ass don’t make money”. –

    umm yeah that’s a FALSE statement…

    I’ve worked in sales jobs in one capacity or another since I was 19yrs old. Most companies that have sales people or account executives as they are now called, pay their staff in what’s described as a Base + Commission basis. Which means there’s a minimum payment each pay period and anything you sell is considered commission pay and added onto your paychecks.

    Straight commission based sales isn’t a thing in today’s business world anymore due to a lot of the labor laws… Commission only seems to be a common MLM payment approach when you think about it….

    Right now I work in an insurance office I get an hourly rate, and commission based on if I sell a policy to a new customer. I am not a sales person I am terrible at it, I am a person who believes that if you want it you will buy it, and if not you won’t. Even tho I have zero sales drive I average a fair amount in commission every month.

    1. Ana Hata

      I worked on straight commission for years (I had an agency contract) and I loved that aspect of the job. But it was a great gig all around, I was selling a product that I knew well, I had a reputation in my industry as an expert and I had a prime PROTECTED territory (New York City metro).

      But it’s not for everyone, it’s not for most people, and there are too many companies that oversaturate the market with salespeople they aren’t invested in, just to pick up a little extra friends and family business,

  8. MSgtK

    To the pro MK crowd:
    If you want your post to be read, you must:
    1.) Spell correctly and use proper English.
    2.) Be professional. Name calling does not impress anyone nor will it win anyone to your side.
    3.) Prove you are right by submitting your schedule C. I bet you lost money in your “business”….again.
    4.) Show how intelligent you really are and support your claims with original thoughts, not simply repeating what you heard. Any uneducated person can do that.

    1. Char

      Addendum to #3: If you submit a Schedule C, please be sure to show your profit from retail sales to non-affiliate customers. We are not interested in seeing proof that you’re a successful pyramid scheming recruiter.

  9. Gina Romano

    A heffa kbot already stuck in the Pink Fog. Give her sometime, she will be back here complaining about her bankruptcy, divorce, or loss of MK friends. She is in for a rude Pink awakening.

  10. Ana Hata

    I was in sales for 30+ years and I loved it and it paid well – I averaged around 150K a year. I sold luxury goods (expensive custom electronics) to a wealthy clientele who could easily afford everything they purchased.

    And, to be honest, once I was established (for the last 20 years or so of my career) I didn’t work that hard. I had a good base of steady long term clients that were mostly fairly low maintenance.

    At one point my neighbor started pitching me on how she was earning an extra 500 -600 bucks a month working evening and weekends selling May Kay and didn’t it sound great and didn’t I want to do what she did and I almost laughed in her face and told her whenever I needed an extra 600 bucks I could do a 4 hour side gig for a client on a Saturday morning.

    The truth was I chose my field partly because I’d never be in a position to work with friends and family, because that’s a recipe for disaster.

    And I never understood how my neighbor the Mary Kay rep tracked her income and made sure see was getting paid properly.
    When I was doing real sales, every time I was due a commission on a sale I got a copy of the invoice and I knew exactly how much commission I was due on that invoice, the invoices went in a folder, and when I got my commission check (which also included copies of the invoices) – I would check them against each other, and chase down errors and omissions.
    But my MK neighbor just seemed to take it on faith that her paychecks were correct.

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