Just Let It Go
We’re so negative, but she keeps coming back? Sounds like something here strikes a chord with her!
Every time I look at your site, it feels like all you do is complain. You act like you are helping people by “telling the truth,” but really you are just being negative allthe time.
You forget that lots of women love Mary Kay. If it was as bad as you say, nobody would even stay in it. Some people enjoy it and feel good about what they do.
I don’t get why you can’t just let it go. You keep saying the same things over and over. All you do is blame other people for your problems.
Mabye if you spent less time picking apart everything and more time working on yourselfs, you wouldn’t be so unhappy. All this negative talk doesn’t help you or anyone else. It just keeps you stuck in the same place.
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“I don’t get why you can’t just let it go.”
Let what go exactly? So long as these terrible MLM companies are exploiting their “sales force”, you will have folks like us speaking up for the victims and speaking out against the perps, while steering potential victims clear of the whole mess by exposing the madness within.
“You forget that lots of women love Mary Kay. If it was as bad as you say, nobody would even stay in it.”
Remember Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, one of the Boston Marathon bombers who killed and maimed people? Who went on the run and sent the whole city into lockdown? Who appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone and a legion of fangirls went 😍🥰😍🥰😍🥰😍 because he was cute?
Just because something is loved, that doesn’t make it good.
Same with Luigi Mangione.
Don’t forget even Charles Manson had his share of fawning fangirls.
See also video interviews with the people of Jonestown.
Oh I loved Mary Kay. I loved seminar. I loved being rewarded. I loved achieving. I loved earning cars and driving them around town. Mary Kay gave me a place to let my gifts shine.
It was when I realized the hours I was putting in really didn’t pay me what I felt I should. I should have been super rich. And before girlfriend says “you get out what you put in”, I put in a lot. I was in a constant cortisol spike and was inflamed head to toe from stress for most of my years in MK. I worked a lot mentally.
It was also going back to 0 July 1 and we hustle all over again. Gotta keep up with what corporate expects. Never rest. Never a break. Never vacation days. The top is the only place.
Then there was a season of “ok no more Cadillac and trip push. I’m going to be content in the grand achiever premier level car and stop pushing and find joy here.” Well. You’re looked down on. There’s no celebration for the premiers or directors with no car or hobby consultants who keep the MK world spinning. The only recognition was Cadillac and high achieving. And for someone who thrives off of that, I felt like the greatest failure while driving a “free” car around town.
So we’re not negative. We tried really hard. We sacrificed family time. We did everything. And all we found was that there was a man behind the curtain constantly moving the goal post. I’m just thankful I saw that and hope everyday more see it before it’s too late.
(Approaching from a different perspective. Food for thought.)
“So we’re not negative. We tried really hard. We sacrificed family time. We did everything.”—
Did what? What kind of “work” was it? Weren’t you working really hard to recruit people into a pyramid scheme, so you could profit? Telling fibs and half-truths along the way to climb that ladder.
“It was when I realized the hours I was putting in really didn’t pay me what I felt I should. I should have been super rich.”—
Are you saying you would’ve stayed, doing what you were doing, if it had paid you better and made you rich?
“The only recognition was Cadillac and high achieving. And for someone who thrives off of that, I felt like the greatest failure while driving a “free” car around town.”—
If you had been in Cadillac, you would’ve felt better…….about being a pyramid schemer?
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Just like it doesn’t matter how much one makes, or doesn’t make, when participating in unethical/illegal businesses, it also doesn’t matter how hard one works at it. I am not a fan of people saying, “MLM is a scam because you don’t make any money.” NOPE. It’s a scam because it’s a con game using cult tactics. Don’t play into their narrative defending “you didn’t work hard enough”. At what? Being a pyramid scheming scammer dressed in pink clothing?
Defendant: But Your Honor, I worked really hard at my drug dealing business, and I barely made any money.
Judge: Sir, you were a drug dealer. Guilty as charged.
Being a drug dealer is obvious, but MLM has managed to disguise, conceil, and glorify being a con artist/pyramid schemer. Don’t fall for it. It’s dirty “hard work”.
The most successful con artists don’t present as one, obviously. If they did, they would be your average thief – instead of using manipulation and disguise to steal the money off of you. Looking at you NSDs. Meanwhile, Corporate is the Kingpin collecting the lion’s share.
Well, what I was saying was that those things were the wake up call to make me realize what I was doing was wrong. I hit a downward spiral of repenting.
I’m on the other side now. I spend at least a few seconds of everyday shuddering at my last 10 years. It’s hard to shake. The very last thing I need is for someone to come here and remind me and point out the details of how I hurt people. We’re on the same side over here. There’s no need to dig the knife deeper.
On my Timehop app right now is seminar pictures. I sent one to a couple of old unit members with a message of how I loved my time with them and hope they’re happy where they are today. I live a life trying to get over Mary Kay.
I get it. You made your point. If I can’t move on and forgive myself at Pink Truth, where can I move on?
Char, your point is valid and I try to incorporate it when I can. However, there are many facets to MLM that make it wrong. I am a numbers guy, and chose to combat the “opportunity” claim by challenging MLMers to view the MLM downline from a business perspective. It is impossible to create a profitable downline in MLM due to the nature of MLM, which is to take from the bottom and give to the top.
You are right that we should not legitimize MLM, but using business terminology can be helpful in exposing the underlying scam. It’s one thing to assert that MLMs are a scam. It’s another to nudge participants into looking at the metrics which prove it is a scam.
No MLM downline can be profitable as a whole…and not because people are not trying hard enough, but because the losses are built into the model. If you are okay with ripping off your own downline to make a buck, neither the “scam” message or my business-centric message will resonate. But shedding light on the money-losing reality that is associated with every MLM downline is difficult for MLMers to dance around, and I believe this is useful in steering people clear of it all.
We may disagree on tactics, but I respect your point of view in not giving an inch on legitimizing MLM in any way. I just know for nerds like me, numbers are more likely to drive feelings than the other way around. Others are more likely to be moved by your approach. One size does not fit all here…we need all the tools we can get to fight this finely tuned beast.
Keep up the good fight!
“It was when I realized the hours I was putting in really didn’t pay me what I felt I should.” What you had been TOLD it would, what the NSDs and SDs told you they were getting, what your peers pretended they were getting. Smoke and mirrors, all of it.
” I loved being rewarded.” … Mary Kay has perfected this. Keeping the excitement and stress levels high enough to prevent a thoughtful analysis of the business with business principles. They distract you with the fake sisterhood and the tawdry awards.
Glad you got out. Can you rescue any of your old unit members?
They’re all personal use with the exception of one lady. I couldn’t tell that lady nothing as a director and definitely couldn’t now. She does court of sales so she knows everything. Mary Kay puts on a show and dangles that carrot in front of us so well. I don’t blame anyone for believing in it and hustling. The ounce of truth among the lies makes us believe we can too.
Every time I look at your site, it feels like all you do is complain.
Strange, because all the complaints I see come from Mary Kay Girlies.
IBCs complain because they can’t “Book, Sell, Book, Recruit”.
SDs complain that IBCs want their time and energy.
SSDs complain that they left property in a public space and forgot it, leading to a host of “Whinge-O-Vision” posts over the internet down-playing her negligence and the hotel following it’s own rules.
NSDs send passive-aggressive jabs at their SDs over production.
You act like you are helping people by “telling the truth,” but really you are just being negative allthe (sic) time.
Someone’s “I-Story” has got you concerned. You saw your present and you’ve seen your future and you are worried.
You forget that lots of women love Mary Kay. If it was as bad as you say, nobody would even stay in it. Some people enjoy it and feel good about what they do.
It’s not the product that’s the problem but the MLM business plan. For one woman to succeed, 249 have to fail.
This is Canada’s 2024 Income Disclosure. These re the figures your SSDs and NSDs don’t tell you about.
https://imgur.com/a/mary-kay-canadian-income-disclosure-2024-hPNN90o
I don’t get why you can’t just let it go. You keep saying the same things over and over. All you do is blame other people for your problems.
You claim to see the same things over and over again, have you considered that so many stories are similar because the rigid, restrictive structure of Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s company forces the same ending?
Mabye (sic) if you spent less time picking apart everything and more time working on yourselfs (sic), you wouldn’t be so unhappy.
Who says we are unhappy? No-one here. In fact, most of the women who were in Mary Kay speak fondly of many aspects of their time involved.
Pointing out when SDs are being two-faced in their private groups is eye-opening to those who were never part of an MLM.
All this negative talk doesn’t help you or anyone else.
You haven’t actually pointed out a single post where said negative talk is happening
It just keeps you stuck in the same place.
No, I’m not stuck in the same place because I’m not desperately searching the internet hoping to find that elusive piece of information to make my small She-E-O entrepreneur business a success despite the fact I would not be a CEO, nor an entrepreneur nor a business-owner if I was in Mary Kay.
If your Mary Kay experience was happy, fun, and profitable why do you keep coming back?
Hmmm… if it is so good, why during directors training was I taught 1/3 are working, 1/3 are not working , and 1/3 are on their way out?
Why also do Canadian profit stats show very few are making very little money?
I’ll put it this way, when I calculated the pay grade minus expenses for a Cadillac qualifying director, it was lower class income. Even with bonuses.
Why are Y O U here? Isn’t it a better use of your time to be booking all those parties and recruiting hundreds of women???
I feel that this critic is having a cognitive dissonance. She/ he keeps coming back to look for confirmation bias favoring her/his MK business in order to ease the guilt or that uncomfortable feeling that she/he has been deceived and manipulated by MK.
One way to ease that uncomfortable feeling is to keep coming back to find faults with Pink Truth.