Do Not Demotivate Women
If you are the same, hopeless woman that wrote a blog I came across today bashing the Mary Kay company and responding to everyone’s posts that actually stood up for the business…then I pray for your sad, unmotivated soul. It is really saddening to me that you devote your time to producing a website that is revolved around a Mary Kay Hate Club, or CULT for that matter.
You think Mary Kay is a cult…but the numbers should prove to you that after 55 years of being successful and and the growing number of consultants, your opinions are just that…OPINIONS. Not facts. “99% of women who start Mary Kay, fail.” HAHAHAHA….how pathetic. Where is your research and proven facts that make this number relevant? I’d sure love to see them.
Why don’t you find something better to do with your time, like actually going out and MAKING MONEY…because clearly you aren’t making any money by discouraging women who DO have dreams to become better, more enthusiastic and positive people.
Maybe you haven’t learned yet, but Mary Kay obviously isn’t for everyone. However, I have noticed that the women that DO fail, are pushovers who were sucked into the fact that they apparently HAVE to buy a ton of inventory, in which it is not required. Then they realized..”wow, I don’t have the motivation to go out and meet new women to actually sell this $5000 worth of product, maybe I should quit”……that’s where people like you come into play.
DO NOT DEMOTIVATE WOMEN WHO DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THEIR OWN LIVES, ESPECIALLY WOMEN YOU DON’T KNOW. Keep your negative thoughts to yourself and the few close friends that you speak with on a daily basis. LET WOMEN MAKE DECISIONS OF THEIR OWN, you are not their mother and it is not your responsibility to influence a personal decision of theirs!
I sure hope you are truly happy with your life, especially considering your goal is to make other women discouraged into bettering their own lives, or at least TRYING to. I would hate to know that someone with selfish goals like this isn’t experiencing a sad, pathetic life of their own. Karma will come around, lady…
GOOD DAY,
Don’t Be Lazy
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Speaking of PT regulars, have you met Destiny Angel? She lives in Canada, where the law requires even MLM companies to report their participants’ incomes. She’ll be glad to post those numbers, which quite clearly show that more than 99% of Independent Beauty Canadians make a pittance. You can argue that Canada has a smaller population and a different ethnic mix than the USA, but it bears up the numbers gleaned from research and anecdotal data in the US too.
Anyway, the former MK folks here haven’t gathered to piss and moan. They’re here to inform people of the dangers ahead and let them know so they can make informed decisions. Like if an off ramp on the highway got washed out in a flash flood, so there’s a barricade and the police and all kinds of flashing lights. If you’re determined to smash through it and plummet into the flood waters, they can’t stop you.
They’re also here to give advice and support to those who want to leave, the same way emergency services will still do their best to rescue you even after you deliberately put yourself in danger.
Good day yourself.
Popinki, thanks for the shout-out and a chance to show my current favourite imgur pic.
https://imgur.com/a/mary-kay-canadian-income-disclosure-2024-hPNN90o
Isn’t it pretty? Direct from the source. Available to anyone who know how to Google.
Some-one’s upset by the fact Mary Kay has to publish their Income Disclosure Statement. Interestingly, when I checked most of the other MK local websites, then of them had any kind of IDS.
BTW, Tracy or anyone else with admin access to the message board, can you e-mail me the link to restore my password. For some reason my laptop decided to remove it from the wallet and I can’t remember it. I’m not in the habit of writing my PWs down either.
If some-one could also DM Tracy and ask for me, thanks.
PTC, Stacy has included links to research for the FTC that shows exactly how poorly MLMs perform. Her articles with that reference include a hyperlink to that research. Contributors have also shared MKC’s Canadian income disclosures. The burden is on you to prove your assertion.
I challenge you to identify just one profitable downline in MK or any MLM of your choosing. And by profitable, I mean the aggregate income of the entire downline (including all current and former participants) exceeds the aggregate money spent by the same.
Pay-to-play endless-chain recruiting schemes of all types (including MLMs like Mary Kay) are designed to take from the bottom to give to the top. So long as the “pay-to-play” aspect remains, no downline can be profitable as a whole.
And please stop repeating the lie about front-loading being optional in MK. Mary Kay Corp has qualifying minimums just like most other MLM companies. You simply can’t stay active in MK without front-loading.
Please share your findings with us. I for one will be overjoyed to learn how any MLM downline managed to be profitable, given the mathematical certainly of aggregate losses in these schemes.
If you are the same, hopeless woman that wrote a blog I came across today bashing the Mary Kay company and responding to everyone’s posts that actually stood up for the business…
Welcome to the internet where you can find people who talk about things.
then I pray for your sad, unmotivated soul.
Kindly keep your faux pious prayers to yourself, like Jesus said in Matthew 6.6-16.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/passage/?q=matthew+6:6-16
It is really saddening to me that you devote your time to producing a website that is revolved around a Mary Kay Hate Club,
This website isn’t an anomaly. Google “Disney + criticism”, “Apple + criticism”, “Wal-Mart + criticism” et c. There are plenty out there discussing the downsides of working for any company.
or CULT for that matter.
Mary Kay like most, if not all MLMs operate on a model similar to those found in cults, see Dr Steven Hasan’s BITE model for comparison.
https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model-pdf-download/
You think Mary Kay is a cult…
☝️☝️Points up ☝️☝️
but the numbers should prove to you that after 55 years of being successful and and the growing number of consultants, your opinions are just that…OPINIONS.
Of course we don’t only have opinions, we have the testimonies of women who were successful in Mary Kay. The car-drivers, the ones with rings and blings, the stars and bars, those who walked the stage to thunderous applause.
Not facts.
You want facts, ma’am…cracks knuckles, drinks third cup of tea. Lets see some facts.
“99% of women who start Mary Kay, fail.” HAHAHAHA….how pathetic. Where is your research and proven facts that make this number relevant? I’d sure love to see them.
FTC
https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00008%C2%A0/00008-57281.pdf
Mary Kay Canada
https://www.marykay.ca/-/media/images/mk/united-states/canada/esuite/footer/canadian-statement-of-typical-participant-earnings-2024.pdf
For some reason, I can’t find an income disclosure on ANY other global Mary Kay website…I wonder why?? Is Ryan Rogers withholding that information from us so we can’t see The Facts?
Why don’t you find something better to do with your time, like actually going out and MAKING MONEY…
I’m retired. I don’t need to go out and warm chatter other people in order to attempt to exploit them for my up-line to make a few dollars and me to make a few cents.
because clearly you aren’t making any money by discouraging women who DO have dreams to become better, more enthusiastic and positive people.
If you are making money in Mary Kay, prove it. Send Tracy your 1099 and Schedule C or your countries equivalent. We want to see YOUR FACTS.
“Mary Kay obviously isn’t for everyone”
Mary Kay is for no one who isn’t an upper level NSD. Even regular NSDs are struggling.
“the growing number of consultants”
If the number is growing, why did Pearl division go away? Why did Ruby division go away? Why are seminars being combined and divisions disappearing? The writing is on the wall, numbers are shrinking.
Maybe you haven’t learned yet, but Mary Kay obviously isn’t for everyone.
Then why does the IBC tell me differently? Why does her SD tell her? Or her NSD explain to her that “anyone CAN do it”?
Mary Kay is a multi-national, multi-billion company, it got there by telling women mainly that their fauxpotunity is for everyone.
However, I have noticed that the women that DO fail, are pushovers who were sucked into the fact that they apparently HAVE to buy a ton of inventory, in which it is not required.
💣Victim Blaming 101💣 rather than blaming those who profit by forcing front-loading. Yes! The SDs and NSDs are the ones convincing your so-called “pushovers” into buying inventory they don’t want or need. Blame them. That’s where the Buck Stops!
Then they realized..”wow, I don’t have the motivation to go out and meet new women to actually sell this $5000 worth of product, maybe I should quit”……that’s where people like you come into play.
Yup! We show them how to return what products they can and deprive their SDs and NSDs of those sweet, sweet love cheque dollars. Karma at it’s best.
DO NOT DEMOTIVATE WOMEN WHO DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THEIR OWN LIVES, ESPECIALLY WOMEN YOU DON’T KNOW.
You don’t need to shout, I’m not blind. We are not attempting to demotivate women, just offering a less biased interpretation of the Mary Kay experience based on your own lives.
Keep your negative thoughts to yourself and the few close friends that you speak with on a daily basis.
No, you are not our gate-keeper. The internet has spaces for everyone. This is not the only anti MLM space on the web. Also, not negative thoughts, positive words of encouragement and support.
LET WOMEN MAKE DECISIONS OF THEIR OWN, you are not their mother and it is not your responsibility to influence a personal decision of theirs!
No, we aren’t and neither are you. However, I have a mother whose opinion I value and I hope my adult children feel the same about me. If one of their friends asked me for my unbiased opinion about something, I’d do my best to answer or help them investigate themselves.
I sure hope you are truly happy with your life, especially considering your goal is to make other women discouraged into bettering their own lives, or at least TRYING to.
I happy enough but I’m not trying to discourage other women, I’m pointing out that “all that glisters is not gold”. You can’t TRY when the odds are stacked against you so heavily. Again here is the 2024 Canadian Income Disclosure, Mary Kay Corp’s own facts and figures.
https://imgur.com/a/mary-kay-canadian-income-disclosure-2024-hPNN90o
I would hate to know that someone with selfish goals like this isn’t experiencing a sad, pathetic life of their own.
Oh, hun, you are desperately hoping we are miserable but we left that behind when we realised that those pretty pink bracelets were not symbols of financial freedom but shackles holding us in bondage to another person’s car, dream house or next rank advancement.
Karma will come around, lady…
When it does, we’ll be here to pick you up, brush you down, help you recoup as much money as you can and we will do that without any condemnation of what you said in the past.
GOOD DAY,
Don’t Be Lazy
I read that in Willy Wonka’s voice ” Good Day!”
Meh, I’m retired and done my chores for the day. I’m gonna sit on my deck on this glorious fall day with a book, a cup of tea watching the birds round the feeder. I have some nuts for the squirrels and raccoons. I’m not spending this weekend “Dialing for Dollars” or attempting “30 faces in a Day”.
“You are not their mother, let them make their own decisions”.
Fair enough..but the dirctor, NSD is not my mother either. They are telling you to spend money you don’t have on product that no one is buying.
MK is a 60 year old business model that no longer works.
“after 55 years of being successful and and the growing number of consultants” …. so the consolidation of 5 divisions into 3, and the steadily shrinking seminar attendance indicates growth?
Bloop. And the nsd’s not in Escalades.. we could do this all day.
“Why don’t you find something better to do with your time, like actually going out and MAKING MONEY…because clearly you aren’t making any money by discouraging women who DO have dreams to become better, more enthusiastic and positive people.”
My dear, I make an incredible income as a clinical nurse specialist/registered nurse. My income is considerably better than most directors and many NSDs. If you don’t believe me, here is the federal pay table. I fall on the GS12 line.
https://wageandsalary.dcpas.osd.mil/Content/AF%20Schedules/special-sch/2025/D315_25.pdf
My role leads to quite a bit of positivity with better outcomes than MK or any other MLM out there. Does yours?
She’s still believing the lie that nsd’s make 6 figures
https://www.marykay.ca/-/media/images/mk/united-states/canada/esuite/footer/canadian-statement-of-typical-participant-earnings-2024.pdf
So very pretty and truthful and from Mary Kay Corp, it’s the unvarnished truth and only an average not the mode nor the median but the mean. The mode is the one we really needs to see.
Some NSDs do make six figures, yet I would guess that most do not.
The Canadian income disclosure shows that the average NSD pay in 2024 was a mere $122,000 CAD/$87,500USD. Eighty-seven thousand! I make almost twice that amount in my current role. AND I get to wear pants!
My husband who had VP level status but not a VP title earned more than $122k CAD when he died in 2016.
What do you do for work ?
What do you do for work ?
Jane B, I’m an adult-geriatric clinical nurse specialist (CNS), which is an advanced practice nurse role. (CNSs and nurse practitioners are both advanced practice nurses, and while our roles have some overlap, my primary focus is not always patient care.) I primarily care for cardiac patients in the hospital, on the progressive care and critical care units, as well as in the internal medicine clinic. I also developed and run a post-hospitalization program for patients with hypertension and heart failure that focuses on lifestyle changes, medication management, and self-care.
I’m currently finishing my nursing doctorate, which is why I was able to negotiate a nice salary.
Something I learned running an actual real business with my spouse goes against everything Mary Kay and other MLMs try to teach us. Here it is:
QUITTING IS ABSOLUTELY AN OPTION.
If you’re putting more money and time and energy into something that consistently isn’t giving those things back to you, QUIT. Stop doing it. Find something else. Stop trying to brainwash women into staying on the endless hamster wheel of Mary Kay. You want us to let them make their own decision? Fine. As long as you do the same.
I read a few sentences and quit. Instead of being negative yourself, you could have spent that time holding a party and selling! Next time, don’t waste time learning anything, SELL, SELL, SELL! Ask your director if she wants you wasting time at this site reading and responding with your negativity. Not very Go Give is it?
Why do I hear that witch from Little Mermaid singing this? “you sad, unmotivated soul”
I got $10 betting this person is trying to finish a car by September 30 and she’s nowhere close so decided to come here to blame us for scaring women (and their credit cards) off.. not the company of course.
Salty… Ding-Ding! It is the end of the month and the MK chicks are scrambling! I remember well that sinking feeling in my stomach as I worked my tail off and tried to keep my team ordering. With school starting, back to school crazy schedules and costs- their orders would be put on hold due to the money was needed elsewhere. MK life this time of year is no fun at all…. the MK well is all dried up from money spent on seminar, year end prizes, etc. I seriously don’t remember a year as a director that I wasn’t scraping bottom in Aug/Sept. Maybe it was just me, but I highly doubt it.
With all the consolidations in divisions and changes to the product line… the beginning of the end of MK as they know it is here. YAY!