This Will Be My Last Visit
This is actually my first visit to this website and most assuredly my last. I did however have a few things to say. Whether or not they’re posted, that remains to be seen.
I’m intrigued at the rhetoric and anger on this site. In my humble opinion it seems a shame. There is a great deal of passion and excitement expressed here. I hope you will all find peace and solace and can find a way to channel this powerful energy in a more positive way, in some other aspect of your life.
Yes, I am a Mary Kay consultant. I have a college degree and I am a high school social studies teacher. Most of the women I am priviledged to know and work with in my National Area are also college educated and not by any means in a “fog.”
Listen, you all have your individual experiences with Mary Kay that for one reason or another lead you here. I think it’s naive for anyone, whether a MK faithful or otherwise to believe any international company doesn’t suffer it’s abuses. No company, coporation or business for that matter is perfect and free from criticism. In addition, were talking about the sales industry. This type of door-to-door technique has been around for centuries. It’s not a new concept.
Here at Pink Truth It’s all the same, “the evil MLM.” I mean come on with some of this stuff you guys are complaining about. Every company whose main fiscal focus is centered around retail sales, tirelessly trains it’s salesforce to sell the product to make it sound like the best thing to hit the market and to entice the public away from the competitor. You call it misleading, I think that’s really subjetive. If we are to follow the logic of Pink Truth, then turn off your TVs, your radios, don’t read another newspaper or magazine ad! I mean seriously we are a nation of consumerism. The public has to be able to filter out what it does and does not believe.
Every skin care company from Esteé Lauder and Revlon to Mary Kay and Benefit makes various claims about their products. Are they all real? Who knows. If you believe it though and are happy, then ignorance is bliss right? Isn’t that what we really trust in everyday when making a purchase? We’re not little scientists with some at home lab that can break down the moleculer structure of Pine Sol and figure out definatively it’s better or worse than Lysol.
Let’s talk about “recruting.” I served in the US Navy for 6 years. Do you think the US military has ever gone out into the general public and said to the youth of America and their parents, “Hey join the Army we’re so desperate for bodies and I need you to join ASAP so I can make my quota this month and oh yeah, did I mention you’ll probaby die in war.” Be pratical people! Any and every headhunter or talent scout in America is going to give “the pitch” to a potential new hire.
If you open up your own flower delivery service are you going to put yourself out there publically and proclaim, “Well, I really don’t know the business that well, but hey I think I can do a good job for you. I really haven’t made a ton of money yet and really have no staff, but you can count on me.”?Be serious! You’re going to puff up your business and your accomplishments.
I don’t think anyone here is a loser, nor do I believe the fine women who weren’t successful with this venture didn’t work hard enough. My mother always said, “If we knew how to be better we would be, if we knew how to do better we would.”
All I would like to leave you with is this, Mary Kay has it’s flaws and it’s shady people, that’s life. What facet of life isn’t filled with a number of creeps? Jobs, schools, athletics, showbiz, corporations, governments, chrurchs, temples, you name it they’re everywhere. You can’t avoid them. What you can do is rise above it and be an example for others to follow. As a political activist I would love to see all this anger and passion directed toward real issues and real problems. If “busting big business” is your thing aren’t there bigger fish to fry? How about the oil industry? I was intrigued by a posting where this women was bragging about her nice shiny SUV and why would she take that stupid MK car. I drive a really nice car too, but that extra money in my pocket sure sounds nice. If I win and lose it, oh well that’s life baby! You can’t take it with you anyway, so lighten up a little ladies, huh?
To the originator of this webite, take care because you also tread on dangerous ground. You may find you’re not so slick after all! I wouldn’t be shocked to read about the lawsuit confronting you someday soon!
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Ha ha ha! She can’t even spell and she’s a high school teacher?!?! Or maybe I shouldn’t focus on the (many!) misspelled words and just point out the ones she spelled right? Or else I’ll be accused of being “too negative”. And maybe even be sued!
“I think it’s naive for anyone, whether a MK faithful or otherwise to believe any international company doesn’t suffer it’s abuses.”
PTC, when working in sales for a traditional company, it is at least possible (and even likely) for everyone involved to make positive income. From the CEO down to every last employee, everyone can be making positive income.
In these pay-to-play, endless-chain recruiting schemes like Mary Kay, the vast majority of participants must lose money. The mathematical constraints of these systems make it impossible for even one downline to be profitable as a whole. Let that sink in.
So while you try to compare Mary Kay to traditional sales/recruiting, the differences remain far greater than the similarities. The fact remains that the big money makers in Mary Kay sell little if any product to outside customers. This should be your red flag. The big money makers in MK are actually profiting almost entirely from the purchases made by their own sales force…not outside customers.
In traditional sales, the profits come from puchases made by outside customers. No one in these traditional sales teams is asked by the company to be a customer. Meanwhile, MLMs like Mary Kay simply can’t survive without purchases made by the sales force. The entire business plan in these systems depends on money spent by their own sales force.
I speak out about MLMs because the whole premise is a lie. Mary Kay’s business plan is NOT to sell beauty products to the public. The MK business model is to fool customers into thinking they are business owners so they purchase way more product than they can ever hope to sell or use personally, then recruit others to do the same, ad infinitum. The MKC business plan has little or no dependency on sales made by folks outside the downline.
PTC, you have been had…and I want you to realize it. Once you are able to see this for yourself, please help us spread the word to protect others.
Exactly – corporate hierarchies may look kinda triangular, but the cashier at CVS doesn’t need to buy the products from the store herself before she sells them to me
With regard to the shape of corporate org charts, a pyramid scheme isn’t a pyramid scheme because of the shape of the org chart; it’s a pyramid scheme because the revenue stream completely overlaps the org chart. In a legitimate company, the revenue ALL comes from outside the pyramidal org chart–no overlap at all, unless one of the employees happens to be in a position to purchase something the company is selling (not a factor in many companies).
What a load of whataboutism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism ) and deflection.
This is actually my first visit to this website and most assuredly my last.
It might be your first but it definably won’t be your last since you are almost certainly desperate to see if and when your tome gets posted.
I did however have a few things to say.
Probably nothing we haven’t seen before.
Whether or not they’re posted, that remains to be seen.
It’s been posted, you can reply to our rebuttals if you like.
I’m intrigued at the rhetoric and anger on this site.
Why?
In my humble opinion it seems a shame.
Fighting against injustice is never a shame.
There is a great deal of passion and excitement expressed here.
You say this like it’s a bad thing.
I hope you will all find peace and solace and can find a way to channel this powerful energy in a more positive way, in some other aspect of your life.
We can do both, it’s not an either/or option.
Yes, I am a Mary Kay consultant.
I would never have guessed that! /S
I have a college degree
🫸Appeal to Authority Fallacy.🫷
and I am a high school social studies teacher.
Now we know what funds your Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash hobby.
Most of the women I am priviledged (sic) to know and work with in my National Area are also college educated and not by any means in a “fog.”
We are not in the 1960’s when women being college-educated were rare. However, I know and worked with people who have PhDs and often they are dumb in some areas outside their speciality.
Listen, you all have your individual experiences with Mary Kay that for one reason or another lead you here.
Gee thanks.
I think it’s naive for anyone, whether a MK faithful or otherwise to believe any international company doesn’t suffer it’s abuses.
Do you ever speak out about the abuses you have seen in Mary Kay?
No company, coporation (sic) or business for that matter is perfect and free from criticism.
There are plenty of websites that confirm your claim and as such Mary Kay corporate shouldn’t be above criticism.
In addition, were talking about the sales industry.
Mary Kay is a numbers game, it’s not tracking sales, it’s tracking orders.
This type of door-to-door technique has been around for centuries. It’s not a new concept.
It’s not but with the rise of the internet, it’s undergone a radical transformation.
It’s not the sales industry. MK is the RECRUITING industry!
Here at Pink Truth It’s all the same, “the evil MLM.”
MLM companies are “evil”. They offer a lot but deliver so little.
I mean come on with some of this stuff you guys are complaining about.
Can we actually point out one of the things and educate us on why we are wrong.
Every company whose main fiscal focus is centered around retail sales,
Mary Kay like most MLMs is focused on ordering and recruiting, sales to external customers is a minor part of their operation.
tirelessly trains it’s salesforce to sell the product to make it sound like the best thing to hit the market and to entice the public away from the competitor.
I’ve seen Zoom calls of SD’s trainings and it’s rarely about the products but more about recruiting.
You call it misleading, I think that’s really subjetive (sic). If we are to follow the logic of Pink Truth, then turn off your TVs, your radios, don’t read another newspaper or magazine ad!
Huh!
I mean seriously we are a nation of consumerism.
Looking at some “influencers” over-consumerism!
The public has to be able to filter out what it does and does not believe.
Here’s something I like to believe.
https://imgur.com/a/mary-kay-canadian-income-disclosure-2024-hPNN90o
Every skin care company from Esteé (sic) Lauder and Revlon to Mary Kay and Benefit makes various claims about their products. Are they all real? Who knows.
Comparing MK to EL is a huge leap in quality. Even Revlon is better.
If you believe it though and are happy, then ignorance is bliss right? Isn’t that what we really trust in everyday when making a purchase?
What does this hahve to do with our main objection to Mary Kay?
We’re not little scientists with some at home lab that can break down the moleculer (sic) structure of Pine Sol and figure out definatively (sic) it’s better or worse than Lysol.
What in the Gish Gallop??
Let’s talk about “recruting *(sic).” I served in the US Navy for 6 years. Do you think the US military has ever gone out into the general public and said to the youth of America and their parents, “Hey join the Army we’re so desperate for bodies and I need you to join ASAP so I can make my quota this month and oh yeah, did I mention you’ll probaby (sic) die in war.”
It was called “the draft” and it ended in the 1970’s.
Be pratical (sic)people! Any and every headhunter (sic) or talent scout in America is going to give “the pitch” to a potential new hire.
A head-hunter has a minimum requirement list supplied by their client and a talent scout isn’t hanging around Target on the off-change they are going to hear some-one singing.
If you open up your own flower delivery service are you going to put yourself out there publically (sic)and proclaim, “Well, I really don’t know the business that well, but hey I think I can do a good job for you. I really haven’t made a ton of money yet and really have no staff, but you can count on me.”?Be (sic) serious! You’re going to puff up your business and your accomplishments.
If I was to open up a florist, I would be competing with two local stores, one of which has been open for nearly 30 years, several supermarkets and a greengrocers who all sell bouquets. If I were to drive half an hour, I’d have five more florists, more supermarkets and greengrocers. I’d be a fool to try and compete.
Mary Kay on the other hand has six Mary Kay IBCs in the same area.
I don’t think anyone here is a loser,
Damned by faint praise.
nor do I believe the fine women who weren’t successful with this venture didn’t work hard enough.
If you read any of the stories here, you’d see these women were successful. They were career car drivers, they walked the stage, they had stars and bars, bees on jackets, all the trappings.
My mother always said, “If we knew how to be better we would be, if we knew how to do better we would.”
ok
A high school teacher writes and reasons this poorly. I weep for her students.
I wonder if she’s still going to be singing the praises of MK when it dumps her and moves to affiliate-only in a few years.
All I would like to leave you with is this, Mary Kay has it’s flaws and it’s shady people, that’s life. What facet of life isn’t filled with a number of creeps? Jobs, schools, athletics, showbiz, corporations, governments, chrurchs (sic), temples, you name it they’re everywhere. You can’t avoid them. What you can do is rise above it and be an example for others to follow.
So no calling out “Shady Creeps”? Don’t tell people because they are everywhere. What a pathetic excuse and all the more reason for ordinary people to stand up and put the offenders directly in the limelight regardless of how powerful or famous they are.
Should Weinstein and Diddy be allowed to be forgiven because we “can’t avoid shady people”?
Ma’am you are an enabler! That’s not something to be proud of.
You should take your mother’s words to heart here, “If we knew how to be better we would be, if we knew how to do better we would” .
As a political activist I would love to see all this anger and passion directed toward real issues and real problems.
I don’t think you are any kind of political activist when you think we should “raise above shady people and creeps”.
If “busting big business” is your thing aren’t there bigger fish to fry?
Because this is the one which hurt us and worse, caused us to hurt other women in return.
How about the oil industry?
Here’s a thought, I can be worried about that as well as Mary Kay’s fauxpotunity.
I was intrigued by a posting where this women was bragging about her nice shiny SUV and why would she take that stupid MK car. I drive a really nice car too, but that extra money in my pocket sure sounds nice. If I win and lose it, oh well that’s life baby! You can’t take it with you anyway, so lighten up a little ladies, huh?
She doesn’t get that “nice shiny SUV” on her own, she has to exploit other people in order to do so. You obviously don’t have a problem with that.
To the originator of this webite (sic), take care because you also tread on dangerous ground. You may find you’re not so slick after all! I wouldn’t be shocked to read about the lawsuit confronting you someday soon!
Is this a threat? Because Tracy’s been running this site since 2006 and Mary Kay thought it would go away. Mary Kay Corp doesn’t want to risk discovery so it makes sense for them to ignore us and tell their IBCs the same.
Anyhow since your the CEO of your own small business, why don’t you hire legal representation?
PTC has a nice flow of new blood every year – high school students looking to make money while in school. And their parents looking to make money on the side.
Also… the way she describes “selling to the customer” sure sounds EXACTLY like how the products are marketed to new consultants. It’s almost like the consultants are the real customers /s.
She got SO CLOSE. It’s like Reddit r/SelfAwarewolves.
This sounds like someone entered all the arguments against Mary Kay into a bot and told it to defend Mary Kay and this is what came out. 😂
Oh and if MK was gonna sue, they would have done so a long time ago. You can’t sue someone just because they hurt your fee-fees and made you clutch your fake pearls.
Lastly, my spouse and I own a successful business now and we don’t have to “puff up” anything. We don’t believe in false advertising.
Hey girl we’ll see you here in a few years (if MK is still around) once your director pressures you to directorship and you’re suddenly broke.
Your first and last visit to Pink Truth…?
Yeah, right. You’ll be back, again and again.
Wow, the Ridiculous Downvoters are out today! Methinks OP is actually continuing to visit this awful site.
One note from her post: Mary Kay does NOT “tirelessly train” consultants on selling the product. If anything, they train on recruiting and front loading. The number of consultants who can’t spell, pronounce or describe the benefits of key ingredients and products continues to astound.
I hope she doesn’t stumble upon “Life After MLM” podcast by Roberta Blevins–former die-hard LuLuRoe moneymaker. Every week she has a new person warning about MLM’s and the cult behavior within.
The trickery- and false promises.