You Are Clueless
We know there are plenty of hidden agendas in Mary Kay and plenty of truths that aren’t told until long after you’re sucked into the pink vortex. But this happy Mary Kay consultant wants us to quit saying bad things about the company, because anything that happened to us in Mary Kay is our own fault…
I just feel so sad that there are so many sick people out there…they couldn’t control themselves or discipline themselves, so all they do is blame others and spread slander and libel… talk about Go-Give: how would they feel if they were disparged like that in public?
I have realized that the most important reasons why the people on your site didn’t succeed in MK wasn’t because they didn’t treat their businesses like businesses (or their lives–or they wouldn’t have charged so much on their credit cards with no plan to sell the inventory), but the reasons are that NOTHING good can happen for people who are so evil, mean-spirited, venomous, whiney, hateful, etc.
They complain that a few directors may have misled them…but yet the way they talk about other people is atrocious!!
Most of the “facts” that they talk about are NOT facts…everything in Mary Kay is spelled out if they took the time to read…
Most of the Consultants and Directors DO sell the product…I personally sell about $300/week just on my website…I sold $200 in one day last week…quite a return on my $50/year!! Except for one of my sisters and one of my daughters, NONE of my 500+ customers is family or friends!! I guess all of those people are stupid, too…
But your people don’t believe in learning how to sell to anyone but their families or friends; they don’t believe in investing in sales aids or marketing; if they maxed out their credit cards or did anything else they thought they shouldn’t do because someone “told” them to…they have more problems than MK or anything could fix!!
If they were foolish enough to order, order, order and not sell or develop a customer base, that’s on THEM!!
Anything that is ordered has a shipping charge attached to it (shipping costs are even wrapped into what is bought at a store)…but according to YOUR people, a shipping charge is WRONG when MK does it!! That’s the kind of illogical, childish thinking that your people engage in.
In our unit and area, we have SALES contests…booking rallies, etc. We SELL the product…people I don’t even know wouldn’t order and pay for $150+ on my website if they didn’t like the product… unless, of course, they are as clueless as the people on your site are… that’s what the people on YOUR site would say…
no one put a gun to their heads to do anything, buy anything, attend anything…are they that weak-kneed?
The FDA/US government sued many companies that made false claims about one thing or another…if everything Mary Kay has said has been such lies, why hasn’t the Company been sued?
Well…you talke about us being in the “Pink Fog”…you people are wallowing in self-pity and self-hatred that you then try to blame others for YOUR failings. Most people in MK—like most people in the world, period–are good, hard-working, honest people.
I teach all of my people how to market and sell the product…those who really want to learn, that is. I have some people like some of the people here…they actually think that all they had to do was order the starter kit and then sit down and eat bon-bons and money would fall from the sky.
If people think they got “financially ruined” by Mary Kay…that’s THEIR fault…they should have had more common sense and not spent money they didn’t have with no plan to make money or daily discipline to wiork consistently. If they were too cheap to even invest in business cards and complained about putting their customers on PCP–knowing that there is competition out there no matter what the product–no wonder what ever customers they had didn’t stay.
Like I said before, it’s like spending a lot of money to set up a brick and mortar store, then rarely opening for business, or doing any advertising or marketing (they are NOT the same…); and then wondering why their store failed.
Well, I really feel sorry for people like you who have to build themselves up by pulling others down…I know that what goes around, comes around…and those of you who feel that you have to be so foul-mouthed, hateful, catty, etc….will have all of that come back to you one way or another…no matter how “cheerful” you say you are…
But you all are SO hateful…nothing anyone says to you will ever get through…
God bless you anyway…
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Popinki, I laughed out loud at your comment (and I’m at the public library!)
“If they were foolish enough to order, order, order and not sell or develop a customer base…”
PTC, no one, and I mean no one would be silly enough to just keep ordering product before selling unless they were somehow pressured into doing so. The real is question is why is this so common in MLMs like Mary Kay? Why does almost every MK rep have an abundance of product on hand that they are unable to sell?
Could it be that the system is set up to encourage front-loading and over-ordering at rates that greatly exceed market demand? If you look at the compensation plan of MLMs like Mary Kay, all the incentives are associated with ordering and recruiting, with no incentives, rewards or recognition for actually selling.
This problem you speak of (ordering more than you sell) is baked right into the system. The compensation plan is the smoking gun. You can’t just wish this away.
If you eliminate upline commissions, and drop the price accordingly, IBCs would have a fighting chance to make money at this just from selling. But no one is making any real money in Mary Kay from selling. All the big money makers in MK have a huge downline. Even you admit to having a downline.
So, if there is no money to be made selling product, that leaves ordering and recruiting. Is there any question, now, why everyone in MK orders way more than they can ever hope to use personally or sell? You can blame this on rogue directors if you want. We will continue to place blame where it really belongs: The underlying MLM system, which encourages participants to order way more product than they can ever hope to use or sell, and to recruit others to do the same.
Anyway, let’s take a look at the numbers here. She SAYS she sells $300 a week on her website (proof?) Assuming she sells it all at full retail (as if) and follows the standard “keep 40%; reinvest 60%” that gets her $120 a week. Times 52 weeks a year gets her a whopping $6240 a year.
And IF she’s selling $300 (proof?) at full retail (as if) to her sooper loyal (alleged) 500 customers that gets her $15,600 gross a year, meaning each spends the bank-busting sum of… $31.20 a year. That’s what, a lipstick and a half?
I wrote a check for $4.2 million last week. Ok, it wasn’t my money and I didn’t get to keep any, but it shows the difference between a business and Gordana Gekko here.
Mary Kay training says that each customer will purchase, on average, $400/year. If today’s PTC has 500 customers, she should be averaging $3,846 per week in sales, just from reorders.
So, PTC. Is Mary Kay lying? Or are you?
Dos she not read all the comments on the posts that prove we did everything right for a long time and nothing good happened?!
Has she ever googled Mary Kay lawsuits? There are heaps!
I’m sure these PTCs read the screenshots from active MKBots and think it’s us who are complaining. Rather than the call coming from inside the house.
Affiliate-only and retail placement can’t happen soon enough. Get rid of the upline bloat already.
Great, a planned five hour outage that HydroQuebec told us about minutes after it started! I will be severely feeling the lack of tea by the time I get to respond fully to this!
I just feel so sad that there are so many sick people out there…they couldn’t control themselves or discipline themselves, so all they do is blame others and spread slander and libel
The truth and opinion are neither slander or libel.
… talk about Go-Give: how would they feel if they were disparged (sic) like that in public?
(shrugs) My parents divorced in the early 1970s when such things were not as permissible as today. I spent most of my pre-teen years being talked about behind my back to to my face about “immorality” as though it was my fault my parents split up!
I have realized that the most important reasons why the people on your site didn’t succeed in MK wasn’t because they didn’t treat their businesses like businesses
You can’t run Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s fauxpotunity as a business because it isn’t one.
(or their lives–or they wouldn’t have charged so much on their credit cards with no plan to sell the inventory),
Did you ever wonder who stands to gain the most by other people ordering that excessive amount? It’s their up-line, they are the ones who are pressurising these purchases.
but the reasons are that NOTHING good can happen for people who are so evil, mean-spirited, venomous, whiney, hateful, etc.
Ah, yes! this is a fine example of the Miss Go-Give Mary Kay Lady.
They complain that a few directors may have misled them…
Sadly it’s not just “a few directors”, it’s most of them.
but yet the way they talk about other people is atrocious!!
And yet, you did the same in the previous sentence. Irony, much?
Most of the “facts” that they talk about are NOT facts…
Here’s a fact you can’t dispute since it came directly from Mary kay Corporate.
https://imgur.com/a/mary-kay-canadian-income-disclosure-2024-hPNN90o
everything in Mary Kay is spelled out if they took the time to read…
IF those directors tell you where to look.
Most of the Consultants and Directors DO sell the product…
I’ve seen pictures of their inventories, I doubt much selling is going on.
I personally sell about $300/week just on my website…
Other have done the math on this but $300 a week is peanuts.
I sold $200 in one day last week…quite a return on my $50/year!!
What $50 per annum? That for your website because that’s on top of the $250 per quarter you need to order to remain active.
Except for one of my sisters and one of my daughters, NONE of my 500+ customers is family or friends!! I guess all of those people are stupid, too…
Misguided, yes. Stupid? I never said that about any-one buying Mary Kay products. I know that there are better choices out there but if your customers like the products, I have no problems with them buying just the method by which they are sold.
But your people don’t believe in learning how to sell to anyone but their families or friends; they don’t believe in investing in sales aids or marketing;
It’s obvious that you haven’t read a single “I-story” here because if you had you would have realised that these valiant women did invest. Like you they had non friend and family customers.
if they maxed out their credit cards or did anything else they thought they shouldn’t do because someone “told” them to…they have more problems than MK or anything could fix!!
The pressure came indirectly from Mary Kay so it’s a problem for Mary Kay Corp to solve.
If they were foolish enough to order, order, order and not sell or develop a customer base, that’s on THEM!!
No, it’s on a system which encourages over-ordering. The NDSs and SDs get their “love checks” via those orders.
Anything that is ordered has a shipping charge attached to it (shipping costs are even wrapped into what is bought at a store)
I got Amazon Prime for the streaming service. I use Amazon Prime to get free shipping on most of my orders. Of course, not having to carry heavy items like cat litter in the winter helps!
…but according to YOUR people, a shipping charge is WRONG when MK does it!! That’s the kind of illogical, childish thinking that your people engage in.
Huh? I don’t think anyone said that at all.
In our unit and area, we have SALES contests…booking rallies, etc.
Busy work so you don’t stop and think.
We SELL the product…people I don’t even know wouldn’t order and pay for $150+ on my website if they didn’t like the product…
So random strangers use your link to purchase products? I guess they Do like either the product or the connivence.
unless, of course, they are as clueless as the people on your site are… that’s what the people on YOUR site would say…
No, we don’t! Stop putting your spin on what we right.
no one put a gun to their heads to do anything, buy anything, attend anything…
Should have known this one would have dragged out that tired, old cliche.
are they that weak-kneed?
Peer pressure doesn’t stop once you leave school. And Mary Kay has pages of scripts on overcoming objections.
The FDA/US government sued many companies that made false claims about one thing or another…if everything Mary Kay has said has been such lies, why hasn’t the Company been sued?
Just google Mary Kay lawsuits, there’s plenty out there!
Well…you talke (sic) about us being in the “Pink Fog”…you people are wallowing in self-pity and self-hatred that you then try to blame others for YOUR failings.
No, that’s not happening here at all. These women stood up and owned what happened to them and better still took ownership of what they did to other women in the name of Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash.
Most people in MK—like most people in the world, period–are good, hard-working, honest people.
Yes, they are but unfortunately some of those who aren’t rise up the ranks by exploiting people at the lower levels.
I teach all of my people how to market and sell the product…those who really want to learn, that is.
Do you? Or do you repeat the same old boring scripts knowing that you are setting up women under you to fail in order for you to succeed?
I have some people like some of the people here…they actually think that all they had to do was order the starter kit and then sit down and eat bon-bons and money would fall from the sky.
How much of the Flavor Aid did you drink?