UPDATE: From July 1, 2011 through January 31, 2012 (7 months), Shelby has ordered less than $11,838 retail ($5,919 wholesale) from Mary Kay. That means her sales per month are less than $1,700 retail, nowhere near what she’d need to sell to make the $5,000 per month her husband claims she makes. For the first half of January, Shelby’s unit production was $1,364, well below what she’d need to be on pace for $4,500 production for the month.
UDPATE #2: Shelby’s unit production in January 2012 was $2,483. This equals a commission check of about $500, which is well below Eric’s claim that Shelby makes $5,000 per month with Mary Kay.
Since Pink Truth came on the scene in 2006, we have had a number of “Mary Kay Husbands” visit the site and tell us how wrong we are. Their wives are “successful” in Mary Kay, and we are liars, losers, bitter, spiteful, and more.
Last week, we were paid a visit by Eric Conklin, the husband of Mary Kay sales director Shelby Sutton Conklin. Shelby Conklin is a Sales Director in the Debi Moore area, and her senior director is Taylor Moore Fehring. These women are going to be so proud of how Eric showed us what a great opportunity Mary Kay is!!!!
Eric had a lot of things to say to us and about us. Below are the pertinent excerpts of his writings, poor grammar and profanities included:
This website is basically dedicated to bashing Mary Kay, but it seems that a lot of the bashing comes from information based on hearsay, a bad personal experience with a consultant or director or with all due respect, ignorance.
My wife worked in restaurant management for years and often put in almost 70 hours a week. She was introduced to Mary Kay when her director and her director’s mom (who is a national director) came into the restaurant my wife managed. This was in April 2011 and within 6 months and 6-7 hours a week on the little free time she had she managed to earn her first free car (a 2012 Chevy Malibu) and become an independent sales director.
About 2 weeks ago she was able to quit her job and focus on Mary Kay full time. She jumped in head first, bought the largest inventory ($3600) and decided right away that this is what she wanted to do……and it was a way out of the restaurant biz where she was underpaid, underappreciated and pissed off all the time.
I still cringe when she puts in an order over $100 but after seeing the potential with the company I am a bit more comfortable with it. Unfortunately there are consultants and directors out there that lie to people, sucker them into buying a massive inventory and then dropping them immediately afterwards just to help themselves get ahead and earn a little more commission for the month. Let me tell everyone right now that these types of folks are the minority in the company and are few and far between…..but yes they are out there just as they are in every other company or business.
My wife got a check from the company for $500 just for making director and a $350 DB purse.
Her highest commission to date was $3200 for the month of November. She only had about $6000 in production, which was roughly $840 based on the 13% (including her own purchases), but with all of the other bonuses (teambuilding, unit volume, directors challenge etc) she earned an additional $2360….not counting what she sold. As far as sales…..her record (this is not common by no means) was $4600 in 48 hours (one large single order was over $3800 for the buyers clients).
Finally,just for the record, everything I’ve stated here is the truth, I put my life on it and I pride myself in being honest and calling it like I see it. I’ve been to several events with my wife and have met several national directors and a few corporate executives at these events and have honestly learned a lot about the company.
Anyone that calls me a liar is full of **** and is a liar themselves, however there may be some on here that truly know about the business more than I do…..but if that is the case then I can’t understand why you would bash the company if you understand it and have seen how they truly operate. In a nutshell, its a multi-billion dollar company that instead of selling stock and having shareholders, they give everything back directly to those who perform well for the company….i.e. earn it.
Also, my intention is not to offend or persuade….only to inform based on my personal experience as the husband of a MK Director. My wife’s director, as well as her national director have become family friends and due to my wife’s motivation and involvement with the company we have been exposed to much more of the “big picture” than some people who remain consultants for years. Please don’t take anything I’ve stated the wrong way, I’m very blunt and direct and have to refrain from swearing the best I can most of the time.
I’m sure that I can clear up a lot of confusion or misinformation that is out there….probably not all, but at least some. The only reason my wife was initially successful and able to build her MK foundation as well as get to the point where she is now self employed, was her work location. She built it from co-workers, employees, friends, family and others who were interested…..this is basically where everyone starts and each person’s experience will be different depending on a multitude of factors.
She didn’t lie, cheat, misinform, swindle or drug anyone. No one she has recruited has shared her success, but there are some that recognize the possibilities and are trying, most have all but dropped it completely. Out of 45 something recruits there are about 10-12 trying to do something with it. Many are in college and others are working full time but truly wish to break away from their current jobs. Its not for everyone….just like going to law school, or joining the military and being shipped off to a s***hole in the desert is not for everyone.
Just like everything else in life, some will succeed greatly, some will achieve mediocre success, some will fail only to succeed at something else and then some will continually fail at everything they ever do. Reading through some of the comments on here, I see information being posted that is not true and based on who knows what. There seem to be tidbits of fact mixed with a large portion of opinion.
If anyone chooses to respond, please just let me know how you were contacted about the Mary Kay thing, how long you were with it, how much you put into it (time, not money), and what you were told about it. Don’t be put off by the fact that I’m a dude…..I actually found this site searching for info about MK when my wife initially got into it. Considering where my interest lie and the types of things I’m into, I’m surprised at myself for posting so much stuff on a site such as this, but I’m a very rational, logical, and down to earth person and I hate to see BS being spread anywhere, however, if no one wants factual information, and bashing certain things lets everyone vent and feel better, then I’m sure my posts and comments will be deleted and everyone can get back to telling each other a bunch of lies and/or misinformation. No offense.
Pink Truth members were obviously very lucky that Eric Conklin came here to school us on Mary Kay. I was even luckier. When I contacted him privately via email, he came back with plenty of insults and profanities to make me see how smart, rational, and informed he is! Eric’s many missives to me included:
Just what I expected. Complete ignorance. I have no idea what the same tired lines are because I don’t sell the shit and I’ve never heard any of these lines of which you speak. I see my post is deleted…also as I expected. Thats what I get for browsing website blogs, finding overflowing spouts of BS, trying to throw in some facts amongst garbage and calling it like I see it. Due to my own initial skepticism about the company, I stumbled upon pinktruth trying to find information….thankfully your blindly ignorant response solidifies my belief in the legitimacy and credibility of the company.
Im not pro Mary Kay and trying to promote or sell anything. I could give a shit less if people buy it or burn it. My wife does it, is becoming very successful with it and shares it to allow others to become successful as well…..if they choose to do so…….SO…I support her. The earnings are WAY BEYOND minimum wage, but only if you get off your ass and build the business.
Just as I had suspected….pinktruth is a blog completely loaded with bullshit from people that have no idea what they are talking about….you included. It is obvious that you are totally ignorant as to how the company operates and at some point you got royally screwed over by a consultant or director that wanted nothing more than to take advantage of you. Tell me I’m clueless and don’t know what I’m talking about….?…
WE HAVE THE GODAMN CAR IN OUR DRIVEWAY…….and come on….you really try to argue with facts…I can put you in contact with a number of people that can set you straight…I can show printed information…but hey, if you believe what you believe, there is no making you unstupid.
God save YOUR soul for spreading lies and devoting your life to a bullshit website blog where a bunch of disgruntled women have nothing better to do than bitch and lie about something they don’t understand. If you don’t like Mary Kay, thats fine, don’t like it. I don’t like a lot of things. But I don’t start a website to bash and spread misinformation. Unfortunately my curiousity has caused me to lose a few hours of my life that I’ll never get back….but any skepticism and suspicion I have ever had about Mary Kay is now null and void due to your over the top and silly uneducated reply…..and for that I thank you.
I had no idea that my wife would be able to cover our $5000 a month mortgage and living expenses, could do so with no help from me, all from earning minimum wage….we have somehow been deceiving ourselves as well as our mortgage company and other creditors. I have been deceived. I would love for you to remove the pink curtain and expose the truth behind the lies…..if you were not becoming SPAM……..you are now SPAM. LOL @ yourself and your circle of pinktruth blog friends for not being creative enough to develop half way convincing lies that would be able to withstand the smallest amount scutiny and information searching.
I’m very curious to know what you consider my wife’s numbers to be. Tell me my wife’s name….it shouldn’t be hard to find….I truly doubt that you have put any effort into finding information for your replies and if you have you have entirely too much time on your hands and need to get a life. Tell me about the company…..tell me how commission breaks down….what was your involvement with the company…..tell me anything that could possibly validate your credibility and show that you actually know something besides blabbing the same rhetorical anti mary kay bullshit.
As I said….you have no point to prove. If you are convinced that Mary Kay sales directors make minimum wage and that the earth is flat, then that is what you believe. I know what my wife’s numbers are and I’m not going to throw a random number out there just to do so. Tell me any sort of accurate information…..I will apologize…then shut the fuck up. It is entirely impossible for you to be accurate because you have no clue what her sales are…you have no access to her MK accounts and she has not been successful enough to have her numbers posted in any MK magazines. Where in hell do you come up with this stuff?? If you choose to respond…please do so with some substance. Each response has been the same only worded a little differently.
I have no respect for your intelligence, or lack thereof and no respect for any jibberish that you post…..please prove me wrong. I’m very open minded and if you can prove me wrong I will accept it….although it may prove incredibly difficult because you would have to prove that everything I’ve seen for myself and experienced is all a sham.
You stand strongly behind your convictions…..so there must be some truth or facts for you to do so….. As I said, I’m open to any correct information you bring up so if you’re going to argue or debate, get your shit together. Throw something out there to stop me cold in my tracks and shut me up.
What’s her area? If you were affilitated with the company then obviously you would know that certain things will be posted in her area. Do you still get the magazines? Maintain your status to keep an in touch account? Her personal sales are not posted as I would believe you are aware…maybe wholesale production…but not sales…and it will be nice when commission alone is over $5000 which will be in the very near future.
I’m thankful she got away from the corporate bullshit world and she can be happy in her career and I in mine. As for commission…commission alone ranges from $1200 to $3400 a month with only 6-7 hours a week…. I’m sorry that you were so unsuccessful with the company and due to that lack of success, you now bash and spread lies. Just like I said before…tidbits of facts mixed in with tons of opinion. Are you a former director…national…or a consultant? What level of success did you achieve with the company?
You know what…fuck this. This is a complete waste of time. I simply went on the website to share my perspective as the husband of woman involved with Mary Kay. Do I know everything about the company…hell no…..Do I know a lot more than many of those that actually sell it….absolutely. We’ve been able to have an up close and personal look and attend a lot of different functions.
Regardless of what lies and misinformation you post on your site, there are obviously many, many women who are incredibly successful and enjoy what the company has to offer. I see it for what it is, not what I think it is. If my wife gets fucked over by the company then I’ll have a different opinion of it but that still won’t change the opportunities that are available and what they give to their people. I’m not an expert on Mary Kay and I don’t give 2 shits about make up, cosmetics and skin care.
I do however enjoy to argue, and you never stated anythng that would give you a leg to stand on…..only your opinion. You get information about the company and basically ramble on about how the consultants and directors are evil and set on screwing people over. Based on what I’VE seen, this couldn’t be farther from the truth. Your experiences are obviously much different. I don’t know if you got hooked up with the wrong people, misled, left hanging with a huge inventory or what but something about the company really has you pissed to actually run a website about the evils of Mary Kay….but here’s the thing…it doesn’t fucking matter.
You can put out whatever info you want and nothing is going to change. If thats how you want to spend your spare time then so be it. All I can say, is my wife has been and is becoming more successful with it. It has proven to be a positive factor thus far. Its not all about money….she doesn’t lie or con anybody. If people say no then she thanks them and walks away. If people want to sign but not purchase an inventory, she doesn’t badger them. This is how she was trained by her director and how she is as a person. Unfortunatley I let myself get sucked into your narrow minded world and wasted even more time, although I have been thoroughly amused during the process. You have your opinion, so keep it, but trying to tell me that what goes on in our lives is a facade to something sinister in Mary Kay is absurd. Go back to blogging on pinktruth and all of you unhappy folks can sit around and continue to spread rumors and opinions based on nothing.
After all of that I thought I ought to set the record straight on Shelby Conklin and what she is or is not earning in Mary Kay. Eric said that she makes over $5,000 per month with Mary Kay, that her highest production in one month was $6,000, and that her commission checks range from$1,200 to $3,400 per month. Does she really make $5,000 per month? NO. The numbers he cites are impossible.
It is simple to prove Eric is lying. He says that Shelby’s highest unit production was $6,000 in one month. That’s going to give her a commission check of about $1,800, including bonuses. At the very most, her check might be $2,200 if she has a lot of personal recruits ordering. This doesn’t equal the $3,200 of $3,400 per month he claims was Shelby’s highest commission check.
A commission check of $3,200 to $3,400 would only be possible if the unit had over $10,000 wholesale production in a month and most of those ordering were Shelby’s personal recruits. But Eric says her highest production was $6,000, making a $3,200 to $3,400 commission check impossible.
Shelby’s normal production is likely less that $4,500 per month. She is a “Grand Achiever,” which requires $4,500 production per month to avoid a co-pay. Eric says only 10-12 women in the unit are working. I doubt Shelby is even making the $4,500 production every month. More likely, she is hitting the minimum production of $4,000 (required to stay a sales director) one month, and then missing it the next month. Eric says the low end of Shelby’s commission checks is at $1,200. This would suggest production of $4,500 per month. I suspect he has inflated that lower end of the commission checks.
Even supposing that we believe that Shelby’s monthly production ranges from $4,500 to $6,000, and that her commission checks range from $1,200 to $3,400, she is still not making the $5,000 per month that Eric claims.
How do I know? Simple math. In order for Shelby to have a net profit of $5,000 per month available to pay family expenses, she’d have to be selling $4,000 to $9,500 per month at full retail value. AND… she’d have to have no unit expenses, and be able to use her entire commission check for family expenses.
That means Shelby has to consistently sell $1,000 to $2,375 retail per week, at full price, every single week. This is not happening. I know this is not happening because “$1,000 weeks” are the exception in Mary Kay. They are celebrated because they rarely happen. And they certainly don’t happen every week. I also know that Shelby is not selling that much because she’d be celebrated by her area on her way to being Queen of Sales at the next seminar. It’s simply not happening.
Further, if Shelby was selling $1,000 to $2,375 each week, she would need to order products from Mary Kay to replenish what she sold. She’ be ordering anywhere from $2,000 to $4,750 wholesale per month, which would be reflected in her unit production and bump up her commission checks.
It’s obvious that Eric was lying about his wife’s income. I completely understand a husband wanting to support his wife’s venture. I don’t like the lying, however. I hate that women (and husbands0 in Mary Kay are so prone to inflating the earnings. Yes, there are women who will be sucked in when they hear that Shelby is “earning $5,000 per month,” having no idea that this is an absolute lie. It’s not even close to the truth.
Mary Kay is marketed with repeated lies, and Eric is just one example.
As for the “many many” women who are “incredibly successful” in Mary Kay…. In the United States there are about 300 to 500 women making “executive” income in Mary Kay. There are a couple thousand making middle management income. There are another 5,000 to 8,000 making minimum wage. Almost everyone else is losing money. This is out of 600,000 to 700,000 consultants in the United States. So the “many many” women being “incredibly successful” are about 400 out of 600,000 are 0.06% (that’s six one-hundredths of one percent). Wow. Impressive.