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Pink Truth’s Claims Are Not True

My question for you is, have you yourself had an experience with Mary Kay itself? Actually become a Consultant, really read how it all started and why?

Just because some Directors and/or Consultants are not true to the Companies mission because they think their way of doing the business or that making the money fast even if it means taking advantage of people is the way to go does NOT make any of your claims true. Or are you basing this whole website on people who unfortunately had a terrible experience with the Company?

It is not the company’s fault that people are greedy and care more about themselves than for others. Unfortunately, thats true for any company in this world because, unfortunately, that’s what we’re all raised up to do, especially in America, to be successful no matter what the cost even that of innocent people.

Fine, what the people who have shared their stories had to go through is not right, but neither is wasting your time away bashing on the entire Company when some women actually work hard to make a difference in other womens lives… which in many cases means giving their lives away to make sure that the women they’re leading are indeed changing their lives for the better.

This opportunity DOES work if people are willing to actually work. That’s true for this Company and any other. There are still more testimonials of the positive impact this compact has had on women’s lives then there are negative. And there has been billions of dollars sold in the past 6 years compared to the 3 million returned and I’m certain if the people who returned product had better recruiters or took it into their own hands to find out the truth of things instead of being quitters which is such a common thing to do, they would have probably found something positive about the experience.

I really don’t believe a website like this encourages people, ok, so they feel better that there are people out there that can relate to them and then what? What other place in this world gives women the opportunity to dream and values them for who they truly are? So far I haven’t found another. Just because someone else didn’t know how to paint the full picture (the honest to goodness picture) for them because of their selfishness does NOT make ANY of your claims about the Company as a whole true.

And if you haven’t tried the business and truly been emersed in what we do and stand for than you’re not qualified to state any claims at all. Any other day I wouldn’t have taken the time to even read anything on your site but reading websites like these on a bad day just really hit a nerve, because the day that someone from a site like this is talking about how one company is a ‘fraud’ but they’ve come up with something better which is REALLY impacting women’s lives for the better instead of giving them yet another place online for them to feel sorry about themselves and gossiping about others, then maybe I’ll consider it.

22 Comments

  1. Popinki

    “My question for you is, have you yourself had an experience with Mary Kay itself? Actually become a Consultant, really read how it all started and why?” Let me turn that around on you and ask if you’ve actually read this site. The articles, the comments, the messageboard? Or were you just told “Pink Truth is bad and negative and full of people who don’t know what they’re talking about!” and you accepted that as truth?

    Because if you had, you’d see that most people here HAVE been in MK, some for decades. You’d find Cadillac drivers, Red Jackets, Court of Sales women, NSD trackers, who did everything the MK way and yet their pink bubble still popped. Did you ever stop to wonder why?

    “It is not the company’s fault that people are greedy and care more about themselves than for others (snip) especially in America, to be successful no matter what the cost even that of innocent people.”

    I’ve worked with the general public since 1998, and while it’s true there are jerks out there, on the whole the American public is decent and considerate.

    “[S]ome women actually work hard to make a difference in other womens lives… which in many cases means giving their lives away to make sure that the women they’re leading are indeed changing their lives for the better.

    What happened to removing the beam from your own eye before removing the speck from your brother’s? Are these women taking care of themselves, physically and mentally? Being good mothers to their children, good partners to their spouses, good friends? Because a mansion built on a swamp is going to sink regardless of how many
    Rolls Royces are parked in the garage.

    “This opportunity DOES work if people are willing to actually work. That’s true for this Company and any other.”

    No. It’s been proven time and again that the MLM system is doomed to failure because it depends on the constant recruitment of warm bodies, and there isn’t an endless supply of those. And other businesses can fail for a multitude of reasons, many beyond human control, no matter how hard you work.

    “There are still more testimonials of the positive impact this compact has had on women’s lives then there are negative.”

    I’m going to capslock this, not because I’m shouting, but because it’s really important: THIS IS BECAUSE MK ACTIVELY FORBIDS NEGATIVITY AND PUNISHES THOSE WHO EXPRESS IT.

    “And there has been billions of dollars sold in the past 6 years compared to the 3 million returned and I’m certain if the people who returned product had better recruiters or took it into their own hands to find out the truth of things instead of being quitters which is such a common thing to do, they would have probably found something positive about the experience.”

    Ah, yes, the inevitable “you’re just a bunch of lazy loosers and quitters!!!” victim-blaming that is the siren call of the Kbot. Please note, MK does not track retail sales to customers so that 3 billion dollars in annual sales (which I would like a cite for from a reliable source, not an MK one) is stuff being sold to the MK consultants. It has diddly-squat to do with what happens to it afterwards. The amount of returns is so low is because if you return your inventory, you’re blackballed from the company and many people are afraid to make that leap.

    “What other place in this world gives women the opportunity to dream and values them for who they truly are?”

    Lots. Places of worship. Hobby groups. Volunteer groups. Groups of friends. Real jobs that reward merit in tangible ways. If you haven’t found one yet, keep looking.

    “Just because someone else didn’t know how to paint the full picture (the honest to goodness picture) for them because of their selfishness does NOT make ANY of your claims about the Company as a whole true.” Sorry, hun, the numbers don’t lie. The scads of people who have posted here about their very similar experiences aren’t lying. And far from being “selfish” (victim blaming again!) they’re being selfless by putting themselves out there trying to help others who are having the same crisis of doubt that others are.

    “Any other day I wouldn’t have taken the time to even read anything on your site but reading websites like these on a bad day just really hit a nerve…”

    AHA! What made your day bad? What part of MK is getting on your nerves? If you were 100% happy with MK you wouldn’t go seeking out negative sites; they just wouldn’t exist to you. That inner disquiet is your true self trying to tell you something.

    Listen to it. Chances are you won’t like it and will try to deny it, but you’re hardly the first one to have those thoughts and you won’t be the last. When you’re ready to confront those thoughts, there are tons of nice people here who have been there, done that and will help you, too.

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    1. Shay

      English is my second language and her writing
      “ There are still more testimonials of the positive impact this compact has had on women’s lives then there are negative.””
      What the hell does mean?

  2. Coralrose

    This letter writer is so cute: “have you yourself actually had an experience with Mary Kay itself?” lol. It’s hard to take anything she says seriously after that. She has no idea who’s on here… former directors, former Senior Directors, former Cadillac drivers, and former Queens of Sales. I’ve learned a lot from them sharing their experiences. They’ve experienced things that makes the company look even worse than I thought it was based on my experience. Because there was a lot I, as a consultant, didn’t know but the directors and above knew.

    Also, I don’t have to “personally experience” being a victim of fraud or theft to know it’s a bad thing. I can see the numbers and the consequences to know it’s bad. 99% of people losing money in MK tells me it’s bad.

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  3. CarolAnne

    Stuff like this is what really bugs me “And there has been billions of dollars sold….”

    They really truly believe billions (BLLIONS) of dollars of MK is sold. She ends up thinking – “I still have most of that $3600 in inventory in my room piled up that no one wants to buy. I must be doing something wrong because apparently everyone else is selling BILLIONS.”

    And when she eventually quits, she will absorb the “it was all my fault because everyone else was able to do it” (Just like they want her to think )

    1. BraveandFree

      And interestingly enough, my director told me as I was heading to line up for my Court of Sales walk that she had never done Court of Sales in the 20 years she had been with MK. But she always had a full “store” and all the new stuff every season. I still haven’t been able to figure that one out.

  4. Heather

    Ahhh… Fridays. =) Let me play “My Heart Bleeds for You” on the world’s smallest violin.

    (Been working a lot lately and took a mini vacay in there with the hubby, hence not being around.)

  5. Pinkiu

    Clearly, she has not read through the discussion board. Had she taken the time to do a little bit of research here, she would have understood that most of here were actual IBCs under a director who perpetrated the scheme, roping us in with lies of omission and commission.

    This writer must either be a newbie or related to a director. My guess is that there was a front-page post that landed in her google search for someone and she “found” us.

  6. Phoebe's Mom

    And there has been billions of dollars sold in the past 6 years

    Do you have a source for this from somewhere other than MK?

    Even if billions have been sold, that number is coming from how much consultants ordered. MK DOES NOT track retail sales. Once corporate has their money from consultants buying product, they don’t track anything. Most of that product is sitting in boxes in garages or basements.

  7. Destiny Angel

    My question for you is, have you yourself had an experience with Mary Kay itself? Actually become a Consultant, really read how it all started and why?

    I personally haven’t but I suspect I’m in a minority of one. However, I can read and am capable of interpreting facts and figures as well as extrapolating results from
    what information I have been able to access.

    Just because some Directors and/or Consultants are not true to the Companies mission because they think their way of doing the business or that making the money fast even if it means taking advantage of people is the way to go does NOT make any of your claims true.

    So, basically, if some-one scammed you out of your money and time, it’s your own fault. Because it’s not true otherwise.

    I just don’t understand why this critic thinks this way. Our claims are false because other people are abusing the system?
    But it’s just fact-twisty victim blaming, at the end of the day.

    Or are you basing this whole website on people who unfortunately had a terrible experience with the Company?

    If it was just one person, you’d have a point, misguided but still. Yes, it’s based on the lived experiences of many, many people who have had terrible experiences with MK and other MLMs.
    And it’s not unfortunate, the game’s rigged.

    It is not the company’s fault that people are greedy and care more about themselves than for others. Unfortunately, thats true for any company in this world because, unfortunately, that’s what we’re all raised up to do, especially in America, to be successful no matter what the cost even that of innocent people.

    But isn’t MK supposed to be better, God first, not greed. It just sounds like MK is a dream for a psychopath.

    Fine, what the people who have shared their stories had to go through is not right, but neither is wasting your time away bashing on the entire Company when some women actually work hard to make a difference in other womens lives… which in many cases means giving their lives away to make sure that the women they’re leading are indeed changing their lives for the better.

    Wow..such empathy. And victim blaming.
    And thanks for being concerned about how I spend my time. It’s really none of your concern but I estimate that I spend around two hours a week here, Friday being the busiest day. That’s less than I spend reading a day.

    How does Chels and Jaime begging for drinks money make a difference to their down-lines lives? I can’t see how drinking expensive cocktails changes some-one else’s life for the better.

    This opportunity DOES work if people are willing to actually work. That’s true for this Company and any other.

    And yet, the company’s own figures show otherwise. As do those of many other MLMs. And the FTC.

    There are still more testimonials of the positive impact this compact (sic)has had on women’s lives then there are negative.

    Maybe. But I doubt it. We have repeatedly asked for MKbots to prove with their tax documents that they are making bank. But I suppose that you personally can measure success on a different and less tangible scale if you want to.

    And there has been billions of dollars sold in the past 6 years compared to the 3 million returned and I’m certain if the people who returned product had better recruiters or took it into their own hands to find out the truth of things instead of being quitters which is such a common thing to do, they would have probably found something positive about the experience.

    And the victim blaming continues to pour in. Hurray for those brave enough to stand up and say “No More!”. I love an empowered woman, not one being pressurised to hide her own doubts and fears behind a mask of “Being Positive” and “Staying Sweet”.

    I really don’t believe a website like this encourages people, ok, so they feel better that there are people out there that can relate to them and then what?

    I feel differently. We do encourage people, especially women who are feeling lost and confused. They were sold a dream and it turned into a nightmare.
    Yes, they feel better that they are not alone. We can offer them help that their up-line isn’t willingly going to admit. We won’t talk about them behind their backs as “lazy loosers”. Then, we can try to support them as their MK support system forgets about being there for others.

    What other place in this world gives women the opportunity to dream and values them for who they truly are? So far I haven’t found another.

    You must be looking in the wrong places, then. If you are religious, then your place of worship generally has women’s meeting, scriptural studies, volunteering amongst the congregation, helping the older members, those with disabilities, or young mothers with any support. Local charities love new faces. Maybe start your own NGO because you’ve noticed a gap in the network. Take up a hobby or a sport. Get a real job. Attempt to make a friend without trying to sell them anything.

    Just because someone else didn’t know how to paint the full picture (the honest to goodness picture) for them because of their selfishness does NOT make ANY of your claims about the Company as a whole true.

    The picture painted by Chelsea’s selfishness would put Hieronymus Bosch’s works to shame. Her “Garden of Earthly Delights” would truly be a masterpiece.

    And if you haven’t tried the business and truly been emersed (sic) in what we do and stand for than you’re not qualified to state any claims at all.

    You are talking to women who have been active at high levels. Please read some more and then come back and point out everything that Tracy et al have wrong.

    Any other day I wouldn’t have taken the time to even read anything on your site but reading websites like these on a bad day just really hit a nerve, because the day that someone from a site like this is talking about how one company is a ‘fraud’ but they’ve come up with something better which is REALLY impacting women’s lives for the better instead of giving them yet another place online for them to feel sorry about themselves and gossiping about others, then maybe I’ll consider it.

    It hit a nerve because you’re starting to see the dark underbelly. And you’ll keep coming back when you find something else that doesn’t feel right.
    And Pink Truth isn’t the only place which talks about how MK and other MLMs are not all that they pretend to be. One of the oldest, definitely.

    Certainly the one your director warns you about. But, you’ve broken out of her control once. It wil be easier in time.

  8. Mountaineer95

    “ some women actually work hard to make a difference in other womens lives… which in many cases means giving their lives away to make sure that the women they’re leading are indeed changing their lives for the better”

    What the hell does this even mean? Giving their lives away…do you mean taking on tremendous debt in the name of sharing the opportunity? Or putting career first, so far ahead of family that there is no room for family in your life? This just sounds ridiculous. You will not see anyone writing such a thing about a normal J.O.B. Unless maybe it’s about a dangerous job like first responders, law enforcement, military, etc. But those workers get paid for their time spent working.

  9. OnelessSD

    I can honestly say… I’ve experienced the “Full MK treatment” from start to finish. From my MIL recruiting me, being the ‘starry-eyed’ new consultant 2 months later at my 1st seminar, being indoctrinated constantly to become a sales director as fast as I could (including being encouraged to put off starting a family until that goal was reached- thankfully that didn’t happen.) BUT becoming a sales director with small children was equally difficult and maintaining that level was every more difficult. Going to director meetings with my local NSD and experiencing her “tough-love” pep talks which makes you feel like you’re just a few inches tall if you’re not a super star. (and having the privilege of paying for those pep talks on top of it!) I’ve experienced the love-bombing and the shunning.. and I’m very embarrassed to say- I’ve participated in that as well…. it was expected to keep the rank and file in line. When I left MK- to those who were still in…. it was like I didn’t exist. It was hard- because my identity had been sooo wrapped up in all things MK, it was a huge loss to my self esteem. I joined MK in 1993, became a director in 2002. Left directorship in 2009, and finally terminated my consultancy a few years after that…after I had sold off as much of my over inflated inventory and paid off my credit card debt. I should have returned my inventory- but my director/recruiter was my MIL, and if I wanted to try and preserve that relationship as best as I could and I was afraid if I returned inventory- that relationship would have been damaged beyond repair.

    I’ve experienced the “Full MK Treatment” from start to finish- and I have to say… I’m better off today out of MK (in all aspects of life) than while I was in MK. My conclusion- Mary Kay is a product based pyramid scheme- with a lot of cultish tendencies.

      1. Frosty Rose

        No, no, no, Jan. The COMPANY doesn’t pressure women to delay having kids. That was just that one sales director. And she’s a bad apple. Unfortunately, can’t do anything about her. Independent contractor agreements and such. You understand, I’m sure. /s

  10. The Patient Whisperer

    “…unfortunately, that’s what we’re all raised up to do, especially in America, to be successful no matter what the cost even that of innocent people.”

    Really? We “all” are?
    Well, I wasn’t.

  11. Lazy Gardens

    “have you really read how it all started and why”? Yes, I have. It started because Mary Kay felt she had been shafted by the companies she had worked for and wanted a company where she would be at the top. She and her sixth husband, George Arthur Hallenbeck, (usually identified as husband number two) had planned out the business model, then selected a product and were preparing to launch. Hallenbeck dropped dead at the breakfast table in 1963 after a very short marriage, providing a dramatic incident in the founding of Mary Kay’s cosmetics company.

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