We know there are plenty of hidden agendas in Mary Kay and plenty of truths that aren’t told until long after you’re sucked into the pink vortex. But this happy Mary Kay consultant wants us to quit saying bad things about the company, because anything that happened to us in Mary Kay is our own fault…

I just feel so sad that there are so many sick people out there…they couldn’t control themselves or discipline themselves, so all they do is blame others and spread slander and libel… talk about Go-Give: how would they feel if they were disparged like that in public?

I have realized that the most important reasons why the people on your site didn’t succeed in MK wasn’t because they didn’t treat their businesses like businesses (or their lives–or they wouldn’t have charged so much on their credit cards with no plan to sell the inventory), but the reasons are that NOTHING good can happen for people who are so evil, mean-spirited, venomous, whiney, hateful, etc.

They complain that a few directors may have misled them…but yet the way they talk about other people is atrocious!!

Most of the “facts” that they talk about are NOT facts…everything in Mary Kay is spelled out if they took the time to read…

Most of the Consultants and Directors DO sell the product…I personally sell about $300/week just on my website…I sold $200 in one day last week…quite a return on my $50/year!! Except for one of my sisters and one of my daughters, NONE of my 500+ customers is family or friends!! I guess all of those people are stupid, too…

But your people don’t believe in learning how to sell to anyone but their families or friends; they don’t believe in investing in sales aids or marketing; if they maxed out their credit cards or did anything else they thought they shouldn’t do because someone “told” them to…they have more problems than MK or anything could fix!!

If they were foolish enough to order, order, order and not sell or develop a customer base, that’s on THEM!!

Anything that is ordered has a shipping charge attached to it (shipping costs are even wrapped into what is bought at a store)…but according to YOUR people, a shipping charge is WRONG when MK does it!! That’s the kind of illogical, childish thinking that your people engage in.

In our unit and area, we have SALES contests…booking rallies, etc. We SELL the product…people I don’t even know wouldn’t order and pay for $150+ on my website if they didn’t like the product… unless, of course, they are as clueless as the people on your site are… that’s what the people on YOUR site would say…

no one put a gun to their heads to do anything, buy anything, attend anything…are they that weak-kneed?

The FDA/US government sued many companies that made false claims about one thing or another…if everything Mary Kay has said has been such lies, why hasn’t the Company been sued?

Well…you talke about us being in the “Pink Fog”…you people are wallowing in self-pity and self-hatred that you then try to blame others for YOUR failings. Most people in MK—like most people in the world, period–are good, hard-working, honest people.

I teach all of my people how to market and sell the product…those who really want to learn, that is. I have some people like some of the people here…they actually think that all they had to do was order the starter kit and then sit down and eat bon-bons and money would fall from the sky.

If people think they got “financially ruined” by Mary Kay…that’s THEIR fault…they should have had more common sense and not spent money they didn’t have with no plan to make money or daily discipline to wiork consistently. If they were too cheap to even invest in business cards and complained about putting their customers on PCP–knowing that there is competition out there no matter what the product–no wonder what ever customers they had didn’t stay.

Like I said before, it’s like spending a lot of money to set up a brick and mortar store, then rarely opening for business, or doing any advertising or marketing (they are NOT the same…); and then wondering why their store failed.

Well, I really feel sorry for people like you who have to build themselves up by pulling others down…I know that what goes around, comes around…and those of you who feel that you have to be so foul-mouthed, hateful, catty, etc….will have all of that come back to you one way or another…no matter how “cheerful” you say you are…

But you all are SO hateful…nothing anyone says to you will ever get through…

God bless you anyway…

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  1. “Well, I really feel sorry for people like you who have to build themselves up by pulling others down…I know that what goes around, comes around…and those of you who feel that you have to be so foul-mouthed, hateful, catty, etc….will have all of that come back to you one way or another…no matter how “cheerful” you say you are…”

    Priceless.

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    • Especially following by the not so passive aggressive as much as the very aggressive aggressive God bless you anyway…

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  2. Oh Joy! A two-parter!🤦‍♀️

    I just feel so sad that there are so many sick people out there…they couldn’t control themselves or discipline themselves, so all they do is blame others and spread slander and libel… talk about Go-Give: how would they feel if they were disparged(sic) like that in public?

    Ma’am, our words are backed up by Mary Kay and her directors words. We provide screenshots of their words and links to the information. It isn’t slander since that is spoken nor libel since we are offering our experiences or opinions . The fact that this site has been running without being sued for over 15 years says something.

    I have realized that the most important reasons why the people on your site didn’t succeed in MK wasn’t because they didn’t treat their businesses like businesses (or their lives–or they wouldn’t have charged so much on their credit cards with no plan to sell the inventory), but the reasons are that NOTHING good can happen for people who are so evil, mean-spirited, venomous, whiney, hateful, etc.

    And here starteth the victim blaming. It’s not the business model that’s a problem it’s YOU!!!!!! And of course, a good victim blame needs a lot of spiteful rhetoric being spread. How Go Give is that?

    They complain that a few directors may have misled them…but yet the way they talk about other people is atrocious!!

    Pot meet Kettle.

    Most of the “facts” that they talk about are NOT facts…everything in Mary Kay is spelled out if they took the time to read…

    We have read them. Better than you it seems. But perhaps you could point out a fact, just one where you bee-lie-ve we are wrong.

    Most of the Consultants and Directors DO sell the product…I personally sell about $300/week just on my website…I sold $200 in one day last week…quite a return on my $50/year!! Except for one of my sisters and one of my daughters, NONE of my 500+ customers is family or friends!! I guess all of those people are stupid, too…

    Except it’s not $50 per annum when you have to place a quarterly qualifying order of $225 is it? And $200 is only netting you a presumed gross profit of $100 for how many hours you put in, regardless of your other expenses. It’s not a figure that inspires me at all.
    And $200 a week over a 500+ customer base..not a good look.

    But your people don’t believe in learning how to sell to anyone but their families or friends; they don’t believe in investing in sales aids or marketing; if they maxed out their credit cards or did anything else they thought they shouldn’t do because someone “told” them to…they have more problems than MK or anything could fix!!

    But you’ve just admitted to selling next to nothing despite your large customer base. The math ain’t mathing sis!

    If they were foolish enough to order, order, order and not sell or develop a customer base, that’s on THEM!!

    See yesterday’s page for examples of MKBots trying to get sales fruitlessly.

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  3. “If everything Mary Kay has said has been such lies, why hasn’t the Company been sued?” Because they let the “INDEPENDENT” sales staff do it for them … they can blame a “rogue Sales Director” and keep their hands clean.

    And if Pink Truth is doing all this “disparging”, slandering and libeling … why hasn’t PT been sued? We’re not making shit up, we’re just mining the Mary Kay manure pile. Most of the data here comes from their own NSDs, SDs and IBCs websites and social media. Some comes from Mary Kay’s own publications. And Mary Kay knows that their records would be subject to “discovery” and porobably “depositions”. Both of those legal things have been in the news recently.

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  4. Anything that is ordered has a shipping charge attached to it (shipping costs are even wrapped into what is bought at a store)…but according to YOUR people, a shipping charge is WRONG when MK does it!! That’s the kind of illogical, childish thinking that your people engage in.

    Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s company charges shipping but Sephora doesn’t. I get “free” shipping through Amazon Prime as a side-effect of having the streaming service. I’m seeing a troublesome difference.

    In our unit and area, we have SALES contests…booking rallies, etc. We SELL the product…people I don’t even know wouldn’t order and pay for $150+ on my website if they didn’t like the product… unless, of course, they are as clueless as the people on your site are… that’s what the people on YOUR site would say…

    But you can only manage an order of $200 in a week from a 500+ customer base.. So people are not ordering on a regular basis. Your example isn’t an inspiring one.

    no one put a gun to their heads to do anything, buy anything, attend anything…are they that weak-kneed?

    What number is this pitiful excuse at? It’s such a stupid analogy that they all troop out sooner or later. 🙄

    The FDA/US government sued many companies that made false claims about one thing or another…if everything Mary Kay has said has been such lies, why hasn’t the Company been sued?

    So Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s company skates by being barely legal, not much flexing going on. Rather “cringe” as my younglings would say.

    Well…you talke(sic) about us being in the “Pink Fog”…you people are wallowing in self-pity and self-hatred that you then try to blame others for YOUR failings. Most people in MK—like most people in the world, period–are good, hard-working, honest people.

    No ma’am. We are not wallowing, we have taken ownership of the problem and grown. But the problem is that those good, hard-working, honest people are being abused by a system designed to wring money and time out of them aided by other less scrupulous people scrabbling for a larger piece of the pie.

    I teach all of my people how to market and sell the product…those who really want to learn, that is. I have some people like some of the people here…they actually think that all they had to do was order the starter kit and then sit down and eat bon-bons and money would fall from the sky.

    Oh Lord! Another of those pitiful catchphrases. And if your using a $200 a week as an example of your marketing, then you need to rethink your approach. It’s not impressive.

    If people think they got “financially ruined” by Mary Kay…that’s THEIR fault…they should have had more common sense and not spent money they didn’t have with no plan to make money or daily discipline to wiork (sic)consistently.

    Do I have to remind you of your epic success? or would the Income Disclosure statement help?

    https://www.marykay.ca/-/media/images/mk/united-states/canada/esuite/footer/earnings-representation-bilingual-0223.pdf

    If they were too cheap to even invest in business cards and complained about putting their customers on PCP–knowing that there is competition out there no matter what the product–no wonder what ever customers they had didn’t stay.

    Could you be more smug?

    Like I said before, it’s like spending a lot of money to set up a brick and mortar store, then rarely opening for business, or doing any advertising or marketing (they are NOT the same…); and then wondering why their store failed.

    Ma’am you can’t even do your own advertising or marketing without falling foul of the company. But go off I guess.

    Well, I really feel sorry for people like you who have to build themselves up by pulling others down…I know that what goes around, comes around…and those of you who feel that you have to be so foul-mouthed, hateful, catty, etc….will have all of that come back to you one way or another…no matter how “cheerful” you say you are…

    The foul-mouthed, hateful and catty is coming from inside the MK House not here. See Ellen Bowman Cox as a prime example. But sure, make assumptions about people you don’t know.

    But you all are SO hateful…nothing anyone says to you will ever get through…

    🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

    God bless you anyway…

    Ah yes, the barely polite way of being hateful!

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  5. Awww…. bless your heart! The typical Friday consultomer critic and their catchphrases! Lather, rinse, repeat.

    “I know that what goes around, comes around…and those of you who feel that you have to be so foul-mouthed, hateful, catty, etc….will have all of that come back to you one way or another…no matter how “cheerful” you say you are…”

    By the way, this is a two-way street, and Karma has a very long memory. So before you start preaching from your high horse, you should heed your words.

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  6. So over 500 customers…selling $300 a week…for a $150 profit…basically you sell three Timewise sets a week and you allegedly sell to over five hundred customers? Ma’am. That’s not a flex.

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    • I missed that $300 per week because I was concentrating on the 🎇🎇”Massive $200 Day”🎆🎆.
      $300 a week is $60 a day. At 50% profit that’s a $150 return or $30/day. or $3.75 per hour before expenses. .

      Three Dollars and seventy five cents an hour.

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      • She’s gonna need some blessings from God (or an employed spouse) when she doesn’t even make US’s minimum wage.

        How many times are we going to see “hold a gun to your head”? I propose we start either a bingo card of frequent things seen in Pink Truth critics’ letters or a drinking game.

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      • That is also assuming she sold everything at 100% markup and that is BEFORE any overhead/non-inventory expenses. Also assuming she actually sold $300 every week of the year, that comes out to $7800 a year BEFORE overhead/non-inventory expenses. We don’t know how many hours a week she puts into this but after subtracting the other overhead expenses, $3.75 per hour is probably a generous assumption. Woohoo! Sign me up.

        At least, unlike other critics, she actually had the courage to give out some numbers. Nobody else in MLM ever does, and the silence is just deafening.

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