Your Future is Now (But Your Education Comes Much Later): How Mary Kay NSD Lisa Madson Sells the Sizzle, But No Steak

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NSD Lisa Madson Your Future Is NowWritten by Verity Rose

It’s no wonder that Mary Kay recruiters in search of a downline will encourage potential recruits to watch Your Future is Now, in which NSD Lisa Madson tells her I-story to a room full of MK faithful and the guests they hope to bring into the fold.  TopDirectorTapes.com, whose stock in trade is flogging Mary Kay motivational materials, notes that “[t]he Field Force says, ‘when this DVD is shown with guests present, an average of one-half of the guests who are present make a decision, on the spot, to become Mary Kay Beauty Consultants.’”  This is no accident. If Madson is not quite Kryptonite for holdouts and skeptics, she’s pretty close.

If you have spent any time as a Mary Kay consultant from 1992 to now, someone has undoubtedly shared Lisa Madson’s statistics with you.  She became a Sales Director in 1988, two years after signing her IBC agreement, and a National Sales Director in July of 2000.  Her publicity material notes that she built the largest sales unit in the history of MK; her unit was ranked #1 across all five divisions from 1994 to 2000, and reached the $2,000,000 Circle of Excellence three times; her National Area ranked fourth at Seminar 2011; and in 2011, Lisa’s personal sales unit completed over $1,000,000 in unit production for the 20th consecutive year. In YfiN – which was produced in 2000 — she notes that her annual income is over $450,000.

Who wouldn’t be impressed by this? Well, for starters, those of us who know that MK considers the consultant, not her customers, to be the end-user. Those 20 years of million-dollar unit production represent $20 million in sales to women who then must convince reluctant friends, family, neighbors and strangers to buy it. If they can’t sell it, and if they’ve missed the window of opportunity to return it for the company buyback, that’s their loss, not the Madson Unit’s loss.  Of course, we are not the target market for YfiN.  It’s the would-be consultant, the fence-sitter, particularly the fence-sitter surrounded by skeptics, for whom YfiN is tailor-made, and for them, Lisa Madson pulls out all stops.

YfiN’s success lies in Madson’s charm – and at this event, she is very, very charming. (A former consultant in an East Coast unit within Madson’s area told me she had met Madson at an event in 2010 and was “dazzled” by her.) Her delivery is polished (but not rarefied or “speechy”), and her comic timing is snappy.  She evokes the general sunny vibe of the funny soccer mom or member of your book group – who just happened to make half a million dollars last year.  She admits that prior to joining MK, she was “more sarcastic than I am now,” and even made fun of MK. (This revelation made me a little sad; something tells me I would have liked the old, smartalecky Lisa Madson.)  By admitting this, Madson attempts to cut skeptics off at the knees:  see, I was one of you, too! But then I learned about how the company works, and now I believe! To a fence-sitter, such an admission is powerfully persuasive.

If money, specifically not having enough money,  is your “hot button” issue, Madson has a few things to tell you.  Specifically, she got into this business because all she wanted was to make an extra $70/week, to replace her retail job.  She tells of being a young mother, married to a lowly-paid Christian day school teacher, working part-time secretarial and retail work. Her aims were modest. It was only upon signing up as a Mary Kay consultant, and learning about how “great” the company was, that she started to sell. And sell. And sell. Eventually, she was able to quit her secretarial job as well as her retail job. She decided to “work hard,” and her hard work paid off handsomely.

What she doesn’t tell you, at least in YfiN, is what exactly constitutes “hard work.” She notes that during her first week, she held four skin care classes (which ran for three hours each!) and one facial, and “sold $682,” an amount so stunning that her husband, who had warned her “don’t expect any help from me,” started loading her car with product.  She does not clarify, however, whether that $682 is wholesale or retail. If it was retail, her take, assuming she didn’t take the 60/40 split, was $341. She does not mention how much time she actually spent on traveling to and from classes, setting them up, breaking them down, and performing follow-up; nor does she mention how much she had to spend for promotional materials.  That “$682,” like most of the information Madson offers in YfiN, is information in a vacuum.

She also addresses the four “avenues of income” in Mary Kay, the ones that, when combined, bring her those big monthly checks:  classes and facials, sales of a consumable product (she is positively gleeful at the thought of women putting on MK makeup in the morning, only to “wash all that MK product down the drain” at night), recruiting, and directorship.  Of course, she says later, it’s fine if you don’t want to work as hard as she does. If you only want to work a little, you’ll still succeed in Mary Kay…somehow.  Of course, we don’t learn how.  Lisa Madson is not here to sell you on “small” success stories.

No recruiting effort would be complete without objection-overcomers and tales of triumph over skeptics and nonbelievers, and Madson has plenty of both.  Her husband said “Don’t expect any help from me” – and then changed his tune after her first week of sales.  Her parents were horrified: her father asked her “why don’t you do something reputable?” Madson attributes their skepticism to being “uneducated about what the company had to offer,” and notes that when she debuted as NSD, her parents joined her on stage.

A childhood friend who was a “former” consultant – Madson makes air quotes around the “former” — “…gave me a lecture. It was a 20-min lecture…what would make me think I could do this?  I couldn’t even sell band candy in high school…” Six months later, her friend rejoined MK as her first recruit in MK, and eventually earned a highest-month check for $14,000. Not surprisingly, Madson doesn’t say when she earned this highest-month check, or what her other checks looked like.  Instead, she quotes her skeptical friend:  “Had I listened to you, we’d both be broke.”  That’ll show those negative buzzkills!

Her objection overcomers are standard stuff.  You’re shy? We will help you. You can’t sell? We will teach you. You can’t book? We’ll teach you that, too. (What happens if you find what you’re learning to be deeply unpalatable, if not unethical? Madson doesn’t elaborate, short of a discussion of “positive attitude” and reaching goals, no matter what the obstacles.) You have no money? Not even for a starter kit?  Hello, have you been listening? That’s why Lisa Madson became a consultant – she didn’t have any money! Surely someone loves you enough to loan you $100.  Or two someones love you enough to each lend you $50. As for inventory, well, you don’t have to have it, but she was “all-in,” so she wanted it. And she put it on credit. And Dan was nervous about all the product in the house, and about their new debt, until the stuff started selling like hotcakes. So who was buying it? We don’t know. We never learn.

Likewise, we never learn how long it took her to pay off that credit card, or what she would have done if she didn’t have available credit. We don’t know what “we will teach you” entails.  We don’t know what to do if we work our hearts out and just can’t sell anything, or if we worked the business so hard that we don’t have any friends left.  We have no practical business advice, other than to hire a tax professional to help you figure out your taxes. (I do give Madson credit for advising the crowd to let the professional tell them what they can and can’t deduct, rather than making pie-in-the-sky, “everything’s deductible!” assertions.)

Instead, we have directions to imagine ourselves being our own bosses, setting our own schedules, writing out the checks for our own bills.  Unfortunately, imagining that you’re paying the bills does not actually get the bills paid.  Not even when Lisa Madson tells you to imagine it.

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Comments (11)

  • raisinberry

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    Yep. I fell under her spell, too. Nicely written piece. All true.
    See? You Can make it in Mary Kay! Anyone can…

    AS long as you are a natural schmoozer, desperately driven, void of conscience, able to lie by omission, lack personal integrity, can justify the use of manipulation to coerce those who will come through at month end, love the idea of keeping your “blinders on”, are leaning towards narcissism, can employ denial at the drop of the hat, and hunger for significance and acceptance to such a degree that you will do anything your are told, including financially abuse others, to “reach the top”. You Go Girl!

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    • Crystalline

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      And remember, you CAN NOT order a glass of wine!! That is against the rules lol

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  • CaliforniaGal

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    Hi gal friends, Yup! Just sign up on the dotted line & you, too, can be rich and famous. You, too, can live your dream. Mary Kay does teach women to dream big. Unfortunately that BIG dream come with a huge price tag, and your credit card will take a beating as well.

    I think this is mass manipulation at its best. Just get loads of women to listen up and you can be “On Target” for your BIG as well. Ya gotta admit these gals are great at selling the sizzle.

    Once ya sign up, the Cha Chings start adding up. The price of that “free” educational unit meetings, all of the events ya just gotta go to. And then every month, ya just gotta order for the good of the team. Of course there is shipping and taxes on the retail even though ya just ordered at your 50% wholesale rate.

    Ya gotta buy nice clothes to wear, hose, close toed shoes, black skirt and white blouse. Ya gotta pay for the gas to go those those facials with the extra samples ya had to buy. Oh,yeah, then there’s the new stuff coming out and ya still have a ton of the old stuff on hand. Whoops, we forgot to tell ya that women always want the new stuff. What, ya didn’t order any? Well, do it now. The only exceptions are those ladies that LOVE the old stuff, that one lipstick that ya sold out long ago and can’t get. Oh well, just keep adding up the expenses.

    Listen for the RED FLAGS. Did someone mention the great tax deduction that Mary Kay is? It is, too, ya spend a fortune trying to work your business hard. Just check out your profit verses loses and see how ya actually do.
    Good Luck!

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    • MLM Radar

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      Did someone mention the great tax deduction that Mary Kay is? It is, too, ya spend a fortune trying to work your business hard. Just check out your profit verses loses and see how ya actually do.

      Sure it’s a tax deduction… for the first two years only. When you have your third year of losses the IRS says it becomes just an expensive hobby, and your losses aren’t deductable any more. This is the Hobby Loss Rule.

      And… what you “save” in taxes only partially offsets what your “business” loses. When you’re in the 15% tax bracket, every $100 you lose only saves you $15 in taxes (but only during your first two years). After you get your refund you’re still behind by $85.

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  • princess lea

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    I just got motivated to do some research and I really want to share something with everybody.
    For several years I was the best IBC in my new Director’s little unit. I was working VERY hard, ALL the time. But in 2012 life ‘got in the way’ so I started slowing down… Here are my numbers:

    2012 gross sales $3,607.00
    Gross income $897.00
    After all my expenses & write offs I took a LOSS of $4,564.00

    2011 gross sales $8,105.00
    Gross income $2,906
    After all my expenses & write offs I took a LOSS of $6,262.00

    2010 gross sales $9,036.00
    Gross income $2,274.00
    After all my expenses & write off I took a LOSS of $5,715.00

    2009 gross sales $11,242.00
    Gross income $5,265.00
    After all my expenses & write offs I had a very small PROFIT of $82!!! YESSS!!! That’s right. I worked my tail off all year long for a profit of $82.00

    And keep in mind that during all this time in MK that I had $0.0 pension, $0.0 401K and $0.0 health insurance, life insurance, etc. ZERO!!! NOTHING. NADA. ZIP. ZILCH. No benefits whatsoever.

    From the numbers it is plain to see that I never ever made 50% of my sales. Not once did I even make half of everything I sold!

    My advice to women who are considering becoming an IBC, or to those consultants who have accidentally ‘stumbled’ upon this website is this; do not let anybody pressure you into signing up, and do not let anybody guilt you for getting out now. Do not invest in inventory. And if you do invest in inventory on credit and you pay it off, it is not embezzling from your business! Do not let anybody tell you otherwise. If you pay off debt, it is smart. That is not embezzling. And, if you are an IBC right now, and ‘life gets in the way’ do not let anybody make you feel guilty for backing off of your business. Your family and yourself should always come first! Your recruiter and director are big girls, they can take care of themselves. Do not let them pressure or guilt you!!! I wish somebody had told me all this before I embezzled from my family! That is ten years and over $20,000.00 that I will never get back from my family!!! :(

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    • MLM Radar

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      So… let’s see how much your GREAT BIG tax savings were from your Mary Kay adventure!

      Let’s assume you are classified Married Filing Jointly with a taxable income less than $70,000. That puts you in the 15% tax bracket.

      Your first year: Net profit $82. Income tax $12. Self-employment tax $13. Net profit after taxes $57.

      Your second year: Net loss $5,715. Tax savings $857. Net loss after taxes $4,858.

      Your third year: Net loss $6,262. Tax savings $939. Net loss after taxes $5,323.

      Your fourth year: Net loss $4,564. Tax savings $0. Hobby Loss rule prohibits you from claiming business losses more than two years out of five. Net loss after taxes $4,564.

      Your final results after four years in Mary Kay (drum roll, please): After-tax LOSS of $14,688. (Gee… I could have bought a nice used car, free and clear, with $14,688.)

      WHAT AN OPPORTUNITY!!! I hope you got a big refund on the 90% buy-back.

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  • raisinberry

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    princess lea, you are registering the numbers of a WORKING consultant…not the hundreds of thousands who started and never got going! IMAGINE!

    If there is a woman alive, reading this blog, who is irate and angry that this blog exists cause it is SO UNFAIR to MARY KAY…You are either too new, or you do not keep your records well, and have fallen for the hype rather than the substance.

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  • PinkPhoenix

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    Lisa was my NSD and there is one thing she said during a guest event that has stuck with me almost 5 years later: “People will disappoint you, numbers never lie”. Looking back I wonder what point she was trying to make by saying that…

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    • Mouse girl

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      My NSD said the same thing. I believe she meant that you have to keep recruiting because people will come and go. Mostly go. :-/.

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  • PinkSixTimes

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    I think it’s also worth mentioning that Lisa Madsen started in the mid 80s AND in an area that was not completely saturated. It’s a completely different world now, almost 30 years later. Yes, the tactics are the same, but there’s no way you can compare how things were in 1986 to the world as it is today.

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  • CaliforniaGal

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    Well, ladies, just remember the gals who get in early climb to the 1% level when it’ possible to make money. Note I said possible and not guaranteed! The vast majority of new IBC or even new directors are just the cash cows that keep the top of they pyramid at the top of the pyramid. Starting an MLM isn’t as profitable as towing a hatful of money into the wind. Probably lose less money with the hat assuming it’s a one time deal and how big your head is.

    LOL, anyone reading out there can check out what we are saying at this link: info@pyramidschemealert.org
    You can sign up for newsletter on MLMs or a free download detailing how you can discern if the business trying to recruit you is really an MLM.
    Lots of great info & a great eyeopener.

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