You’re Robbing People of an Opportunity
I want to thank you. I found your site searching for information on how to help one of my consultants. I have spent the past days reading it. I commend you for the professional look of the site. It seems that you are uncovering the “truths” that Mary Kay is trying to hide. If I were a new consultant, I would be swayed.
If your goal was to help women by creating a place where women can express their frustrations, I could see the value of that. Mary Kay is not perfect. There are real issues that you have tried to bring to light – but your site has become a place for women grow their disdain and hurt into something far more damaging to them and to those around them. Was that your intent?
Do doctors close wounds, creating a “community” inside for the wound to fester and support itself, or do they open it up (a painful and slow process) and allow healing to take place?
The “truth” is, Tracy, you are robbing people of the opportunity to do this business correctly because of your experience. It is both selfish and incredibly sad. It is not unbiased. It is not fair.
You are throwing the baby out with the bath water.
I am genuinely sorry that you had a bad experience with Mary Kay. And if you knew me, you would know that I really mean that. But think of this – Now, you are truly helping no one. Just like before, when you were almost an NSD and turned a blind eye, by your own admission, to your team members ordering $30,000 to $50,000 in product that she was not selling. You clearly carry guilt in your heart for that or you wouldn’t have shared it. Forgive yourself. Work with the company to create a culture where that kind of practice does not persist. Or, just move on.
Please don’t continue to damage other people by holding onto your pride and rallying around other women who agree with you so you can all attempt to feel better. That solves…nothing.
I appreciate that not everyone in Mary Kay is good, or moral. Your site has become a breeding ground of ex-consultants who would rather hold onto their hurt than make a better choice and move forward. It has strengthened me as a consultant committed to the ideals and morals that I choose to hold on to, and for that, I thank you. I can now confidently move forward building a business using those as my guide.
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Could this be some kind of a you need to come to Jesus moment for these people? Asking for an atheist friend.
PTC, your commitment to ideals and morals is admirable. Prove it by committing to never recruit a downline or sell to family and friends. This is the only way to participate in an MLM ethically.
But if you want the MLM “opportunity”, you have no choice but to create and exploit a downline. Once you’ve made the choice to build a downline, ethics go out the window implicitly. Research shows 99.6% of participants lose money in MLMs like Mary Kay. This means that for every participant that turns a true business profit, 249 others must lose money. There is no way around these loss rates. They are built right into the model.
Rise above and do the right thing. Don’t recruit, and don’t sell to family and friends!
“Do doctors close wounds, creating a “community” inside for the wound to fester and support itself, or do they open it up (a painful and slow process) and allow healing to take place?” Oh honey, we’re ripping those pink bandages OFF and letting the light and air in. When you realize that when your SD told you that you were “special”and “had a real talent” for sales that she was following a script SDs have used for decades … RIP … there goes another pustulent secret.
I’m sure Dr. Nurse Heather can tell our correspondent more than she ever wanted to know about wound care, though preferably not over lunch 😉
We actually leave a LOT of surgical wounds open and do not close them entirely. We use wound vacs, drains, and other devices to close things temporarily, and after time, the patient might go back to the OR for a full closure. I’ve cared for trauma patients who come to the ICU with their abdomens open, and it was several weeks before we closed them completely.
Now, if it’s something that needs an incision and drainage, you better believe we open that shizz up and clear things out. Most of those wounds are also left open to heal from the inside out.
I’ve got GREAT wound stories! Several involve maggots or gun shot wounds. A couple involve, ahem, sensitive body parts. (If you want to know, check out Fourniers gangrene. Then giggle when you find out that Harvey Weinstein supposedly had it.)
Also, if a C-section dehisces (as in the incision comes open), we do NOT suture it back shut. That is a sure-fire way to turn you septic. Many times, we use a wound vac closure device so the incision can heal from the inside out, and you’re going to get several rounds of IV antibiotics.
So we are opening and draining the lies and removing the MLM maggots?
My BEST family friendly gunshot story (as a blood bank tech, we knew what the issue was) was the guy who shoved a pistol into the back of his jeans to hide it from the cops … the trigger caught on a belt loop and the safety was off. He shot himself in the butt, top to bottom, through the gluteus maximus. EVEN BETTER … a couple of week later, ER sends an identical order. I called to verify and the resident was laughing hysterically. The arresting officer, at a beer-loaded BBQ, was demonstrating to his fellow officers what had happened and shot his own butt.
Lazy, I have some good GSW stories, too. (Spent too many years working at a level 1 trauma center. I currently work at a level 2 in the ICU/PCU.)
Like the young lady who emptied her clip in her boyfriend’s groin and butt because he gave her an STD. Somehow, she missed his colon, bladder, and major arteries.
Or the wanna-be teen gang banger who was trying to be big and bad, showing off his new pistol by posing with it in the front of his pants….with the safety off.
My favorite is the farmer who was cleaning his pistol and managed to shoot off part of his thumb. “I’m a dumb a$$,” is what he told me. This man was 70-something and had been around firearms all his life. There was one round in the chamber that took out his thumb. Guy just laughed about it the entire time.
Doctors really do close wounds. Skin, our largest organ, protects our innards from nasty things like bacteria and fungi, so if it’s broken to the point that our innards are exposed, doctors absolutely do close it back up! Has this person never had a wound?!
“Just like before, when you [Tracy] were almost an NSD and turned a blind eye, by your own admission, to your team members ordering $30,000 to $50,000 in product that she was not selling.”
Gee golly whillikers, Tracy, and here I thought you were just a bitter former director who was salty about getting fired /(heavy sarcasm).
More proof, as if it were needed, that none of these Friday critics actually read a darn thing on here and instead just respond to the pink strawmen that live in their brains.
There is NO OPPORTUNITY!!
I want to thank you. I found your site searching for information on how to help one of my consultants.
At least this one didn’t “stumble” onto the site.
I have spent the past days reading it. I commend you for the professional look of the site.
I somehow suspect that you didn’t fully understand what you read here. But thanks for the “damning with faint praise”.
It seems that you are uncovering the “truths” that Mary Kay is trying to hide. If I were a new consultant, I would be swayed.
Here’s one of the “truths” Mary Kay is trying to hide, an Income Disclosure Statement. Out of all the markets MKI is involved in, it only releases this statement where they are forced to by federal law. It illustrates just how few of the tippy-top actually make the oft-promised “executive pay” .
https://www.marykay.ca/-/media/images/mk/united-states/canada/esuite/footer/canadian-statement-of-typical-participant-earnings-2025.pdf
If your goal was to help women by creating a place where women can express their frustrations, I could see the value of that.
Except a lot of the women expressing their frustrations are the women currently in Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s company as directors. We post screenshots of their discussions in their director’s groups.
Mary Kay is not perfect. There are real issues that you have tried to bring to light – but your site has become a place for women grow their disdain and hurt into something far more damaging to them and to those around them.
How is Ellen calling some-one a “heffer” not being disdainful? Or the husband worrying about how his wife has changed under the aegis of her Mary Kay uplines not being hurt? Or the directors talking in circles about how hard it is to “book, sell, book, recruit” not being damaged? It starts at the feet on Mary Kay, not us.
Was that your intent?
Allowing people to share their personal “I-Stories” is a good thing. Showing the struggles that directors are talking about behind the scenes or how little money is actually being made is our intent. Exposing the Pretty Pink Lies.
Do doctors close wounds, creating a “community” inside for the wound to fester and support itself, or do they open it up (a painful and slow process) and allow healing to take place?
Your analogy sucks, if I had a C-section, I’d hope it wasn’t left to heal openly and risking disease. Exposing dishonest practices to the light, to be discussed openly is curing the disease.
The “truth” is, Tracy, you are robbing people of the opportunity to do this business correctly because of your experience.
It’s not JUST Tracy’s experience, it’s the collective experience of many people, women and men involved in Mary Kay. Or even just had a brush with the often overly pushy practices employed by many consultomers.
It is both selfish and incredibly sad.
Getting some-one to spend $3,600 on a starter kit is selfish, especially if (general) you are a career car director. Not telling (general) your downline all the facts they need in order to make a truly informed decision isn’t sad.
It is not unbiased.
Mary Kay sponsored sites or groups run by directors would not allow one fifth of their posts to be critical of the company or people in it. Tracy does so she is unbiased. If (general) you need a “safe space” to bask in the pink glow of of your personal biases, there’s a whole internet out there for you to create that space.
It is not fair.
Welcome to Life 101.I’m surprised your parents never told you that.
You are throwing the baby out with the bath water.
More thought terminating cliches.
Translation: How dare you point out my bad behavior and hold me accountable for it!
Typical abuser that blames the victim when called out on their abuse.
“Work with the company to create a culture where that kind of practice does not persist.”
Did this PTC not read all of the posts where consultants and directors emailed the company about one problem or another and their complaints were ignored? The company doesn’t care.
The company does not care is so right!
Work with the company to create a culture where that kind of practice does not persist.
The whole business model of Mary Kay (and all MLMs) is built on this “culture” and “practice”! The company is not going to work with anyone to put itself out of business.
Just as the navigation in my car warns me of any wrecks or road hazards ahead, Pink Truth warns the public of the hazards of joining Mary Kay.
There is no way to “succeed” without exploiting other women, abusing their trust, lying by omission and destroying your finances and those of others. Nobody needs this “opportunity”.
I am genuinely sorry that you had a bad experience with Mary Kay. And if you knew me, you would know that I really mean that.
I’ll have to take your word for this since I don’t know you personally. But I do know that women who leave are frequently called “lazy loosers” once they have left.
But think of this – Now, you are truly helping no one.
Except we are and we have. And no doubt will again in the future.
Just like before, when you were almost an NSD and turned a blind eye, by your own admission, to your team members ordering $30,000 to $50,000 in product that she was not selling.
Wow! Now I know you didn’t read any story properly. That wasn’t Tracy. In fact it wasn’t a member of the commentariat at all.
You clearly carry guilt in your heart for that or you wouldn’t have shared it. Forgive yourself.
People don’t carry guilt for some-one else’s mis-attributions. So no need for forgiveness.
Work with the company to create a culture where that kind of practice does not persist.
MKI doesn’t care. All Ryan is interested in is the money pouring into the coffers. Oh, sometimes there may be a sternly-wagged finger or a “tsk tsk” when wrong-doing is exposed. It takes a lot for MKI to fire a consultomer.
Or, just move on.
We have, hence this site.
Please don’t continue to damage other people by holding onto your pride and rallying around other women who agree with you so you can all attempt to feel better.
No-one here is “holding onto their pride”. Instead we are supporting each other and any-one who comes to us for help. Even you when the time comes.
That solves…nothing.
And yet, we are solving things simply by showing the hidden side of Mary Kay’s company.
I appreciate that not everyone in Mary Kay is good, or moral.
Then why aren’t you “working with the company to create a culture where that kind of practice does not persist”?
Hmm!
Your site has become a breeding ground of ex-consultants who would rather hold onto their hurt than make a better choice and move forward.
Not everyone here is a former consultant. Those that were have moved on and discarded their hurt alongside the dregs of their inventory.
It has strengthened me as a consultant committed to the ideals and morals that I choose to hold on to, and for that, I thank you.
You must have twisted morals if you are happy to exploit other people for your own financial gain.
I can now confidently move forward building a business using those as my guide.
So lying and deceiving are going to be the basis of your success.
Ladies and gentlemen, meet one of the spin doctors.
“Do doctors close wounds, creating a “community” inside for the wound to fester and support itself, or do they open it up (a painful and slow process) and allow healing to take place?”
Once she stops spinning, she would realize she is making a strong case for Pink Truth.
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“You are throwing the baby out with the bath water.”
Hun, your Mary Kay baby is a sleep paralysis demon. The whole tub, baby included, needs to be yeeted.